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Title: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: failtolawl on August 04, 2012, 08:15:21 am
I am on my first character, a level 26 thrower with a kettle-hat, heraldic mail with coif, chain boots, and 3 Jarid slots.

It seems like EVERY round I play (maybe 75 percent of the time), I have to pay 2k to repair everything. So in the end, I lose all of my money and I have to have incredibly terrible peasant armor to get any money.

thing is, I'm not seeing this being a problem for anybody else, because day after day I see tin cans having the ability to keep the most expensive armor and swords every round, all day long.

So the question is, how are these people doing it? Is there some sort of trick?

Thanks in advanced.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Digglez on August 04, 2012, 10:04:59 am
3 stacks of jarids are more expensive than any weapon in the game.  plus if you dont have very high proficiency your chance that you will need repairs on these THREE items is increased

stop using jarids or carrying 3 of them
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: zagibu on August 04, 2012, 12:12:32 pm
Quote from: failtolawl on August 04, 2012, 08:15:21 am
thing is, I'm not seeing this being a problem for anybody else, because day after day I see tin cans having the ability to keep the most expensive armor and swords every round, all day long.

They lose money, but they have a large buffer, so it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Riddaren on August 04, 2012, 03:46:03 pm
If you want to always wear your best equipment (no matter what multi) with one character you can do it by having another character support it's cause.

I suggest you make an alt character with a different build and playstyle than your main, which adds to the varition of your gameplay making it more fun.
Make it a melee infantry character with 100% in either 1H, 2H or polearm.

Use nothing but clothes or medium armour and good weapon (doesn't have to be expensive).

Example of a solid build and playstyle which can be both very effective, fun and cheap:

Level 30:

21/21
7PS 7AT 3IF
100% polearm

The ultimate weapons for this build is either the pike or the long maul.
Just switch between them for totally different playstyles.

If you want less upkeep just use some lower tier weapon.

I would not be able to play with my best equipment every round on my main (lancer) unless I had alt characters supporting it.
I don't just farm gold with my low upkeep alt characters. I enjoy playing them.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Latvian on August 04, 2012, 03:50:30 pm
here is simple formula to answer your question.

run like peasant 1st generations + sell your 1st loompoint= never worry about upkeep again.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Teeth on August 04, 2012, 03:52:41 pm
37k gear and making money.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Leshma on August 04, 2012, 03:55:54 pm
Do not play as:

1) heavy cav
2) thrower cav
3) HA using bodkins
4) hybrid archer using bodkins
5) full plate retard
6) knight with a crossbow and no wpf in it

and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Riddaren on August 04, 2012, 04:02:07 pm
Quote from: Leshma on August 04, 2012, 03:55:54 pm
Do not play as:

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I wouldn't suggest going light cav either.
With an arabian warhorse and heavy lance for example, you will lose much gold unless you have a high average multiplier.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: _Tak_ on August 04, 2012, 04:09:20 pm
Quote from: Riddaren on August 04, 2012, 04:02:07 pm
I wouldn't suggest going light cav either.
With an arabian warhorse and heavy lance for example, you will lose much gold unless you have a high average multiplier.

I make shit load of money riding a rouncey with MW light lance + +3 reinforced tribal warroutfit with pilgrim hood and top score alot on open plain maps by couch couch couch couch.

then when i get x5 i switch to +3 course with normal gear  ;p
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Riddaren on August 04, 2012, 05:21:37 pm
Quote from: AlexTheDragon on August 04, 2012, 04:09:20 pm
I make shit load of money riding a rouncey with MW light lance + +3 reinforced tribal warroutfit with pilgrim hood and top score alot on open plain maps by couch couch couch couch.

then when i get x5 i switch to +3 course with normal gear  ;p

Well. Rouncey is 1/2 the cost of an arabian.
Also, like I said, you obviously don't have a low average multiplier either :wink:
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Sarpton on August 04, 2012, 05:22:27 pm
Are you a pure thrower?  If not what is your weapon proficiency?  A good rule of thumb for making money is to keep you total gear cost near 20k,  some people have great luck and can use much more than that but I wouldn't rely on luck.   

Also if your a thrower your armor is too heavy giving you a weapon prof decrease also.  You need your throwing to be around 120 or so after weight decrease is factored.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Mlekce on August 04, 2012, 05:27:24 pm
over 30k gear cost here and i make money. Problem is in 3 stacks of jarids.
Use one,and then loot ammo from battlefield. There is planty of throwing stuff arround.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Mlekce on August 04, 2012, 05:32:28 pm
Quote from: Riddaren on August 04, 2012, 05:21:37 pm
Well. Rouncey is 1/2 the cost of an arabian.
Also, like I said, you obviously don't have a low average multiplier either :wink:
you can make money if you instead of heavy lance use lance and wear less armor.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Muki on August 04, 2012, 05:49:05 pm
Wear something that has low repair, seems my bear paw shoes keep getting dmg so that I have 0 upkeep every round. Even through I use a Courser, Bec, katana, strange armor, leather gloves.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Crazyi on August 04, 2012, 05:59:51 pm
I have saved a little over a million by wearing certain gear at certain levels. 1-10, naked with wooden sword or short spear. 11-20 Wear leather armor only with a slightly better weapon but still very cheap. 21-29 I wear something decent, and at level 30 is the only time I wear good gear. At a x3+ I put on my best gear. Most of my gens have been cav with over 50k in total cost, but I won't use the expensive horses until 27+. I've saved a million this way so it can be done, you just need to be mindful of cost at lower levels.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: failtolawl on August 04, 2012, 09:48:15 pm
Quote from: necron232 on August 04, 2012, 05:22:27 pm
Are you a pure thrower?  If not what is your weapon proficiency?  A good rule of thumb for making money is to keep you total gear cost near 20k,  some people have great luck and can use much more than that but I wouldn't rely on luck.   

Also if your a thrower your armor is too heavy giving you a weapon prof decrease also.  You need your throwing to be around 120 or so after weight decrease is factored.

Ok, my throwing is at 140, and my inventory is around 24k, since I got rid of 2 jarid slots and replaced my 1 handed with a solid 2 handed. Thanks for the replies guys.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Digglez on August 04, 2012, 10:43:02 pm
unless you are trying to kill people in heavy PLATE armor or kill armored horses...there really isnt a point of using jarids.  Heavy Axes cost 40% less and are going to do more damage to the majority of players you run into.

Sure you might think jarids are easy to hit with, but play with nothing but axes for a full week and you'll see why they're 90% of all throwing
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Patchedcow on August 05, 2012, 03:00:02 am
I play with armor totaling up to 13k and I do not make any money at all. My sword repairs almost every round even though my WPF is 150. It's stupid.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Sarpton on August 05, 2012, 03:51:35 am
I find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: callahan9119 on August 05, 2012, 05:54:46 am
Quote from: Patchedcow on August 05, 2012, 03:00:02 am
I play with armor totaling up to 13k and I do not make any money at all. My sword repairs almost every round even though my WPF is 150. It's stupid.

Bullshit. When I wear 20k worth of gear I make money like crazy even without a multi. My gear right now is at 36k and I lose no money on a x1 and make a good amount with a multi.

And if you are only counting armor to calculate your upkeep you aren't a genius, weapons cost upkeep as well.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Patchedcow on August 05, 2012, 07:39:09 am
Quote from: callahan9119 on August 05, 2012, 05:54:46 am
Bullshit. When I wear 20k worth of gear I make money like crazy even without a multi. My gear right now is at 36k and I lose no money on a x1 and make a good amount with a multi.

And if you are only counting armor to calculate your upkeep you aren't a genius, weapons cost upkeep as well.
Now what you're saying is bullshit. I always wear a pilgrim hood, byrnie, mail gloves, turkish shoes, and a sword of war. I BARELY make any money. When I put on heraldic mail, a good helmet, and maybe some better shoes, I lose 10k gold within a few rounds. Your lying about the 36k gold. There's no fucking way seeing as how I can't keep myself up with armor around 20k gold with multis once in a while, yet you are neutral at x1 with armor at 36k.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Latvian on August 05, 2012, 09:02:34 am
i am making atleast 10 k per day using 25 k worth equipment :
Lordly Heraldic Mail with Surcoat   upkeep=420
Fluted Varangian Helmet  upkeep=251
Fluted Varangian Helmet  upkeep=239
Mail Chausses                  upkeep=90
masterwork glaive           upkeep=749( nerff upkeep)
long dagger                     upkeep=27

cant be you dont make money with less upkeep.If you dont make money than play better and help your team win and get those juicy X5 more often.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Shub on August 05, 2012, 10:28:07 am
I agree upkeep is pretty much bullshit , Even worse now after patch in 2 ours of DTV having gear worth 13k i lost 4k gold. True story bro.

Best money i have made was on Rageball.Upkeep check is rare there and money gain if u win is great.
I dont think game is intended to make ppl run naked half of the time.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Digglez on August 05, 2012, 10:31:30 am
Quote from: Shub on August 05, 2012, 10:28:07 am
I agree upkeep is pretty much bullshit , Even worse now after patch in 2 ours of DTV having gear worth 13k i lost 4k gold. True story bro.

DTV is an entirely different game.  Rounds are so long you are pretty much guaranteed enormous repair bills.  Siege is pretty high repairs as well.  Battle is regard as the lowest repairs
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Shub on August 05, 2012, 10:34:43 am
Then  look into it and balance game mode upkeep.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Digglez on August 05, 2012, 10:44:07 am
Quote from: Shub on August 05, 2012, 10:34:43 am
Then  look into it and balance game mode upkeep.

or you could stop playing some gay PVE game mode, thats what MMO's are for
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: _Tak_ on August 05, 2012, 12:06:38 pm
Quote from: Digglez on August 05, 2012, 10:31:30 am
DTV is an entirely different game.  Rounds are so long you are pretty much guaranteed enormous repair bills.  Siege is pretty high repairs as well.  Battle is regard as the lowest repairs

Rage ball is the best game mod to grind money/ exp, it have the lowest chance on repairs because 1 round can end in less than 20 seconds if you have good players

if you have agi whores in 1 team vs non-agi whores, in less than 10 minutes u reach x5
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: zagibu on August 05, 2012, 12:09:28 pm
Maybe the devs should look into the upkeep formula, there have been reports from numerous people that they have huge bills with low cost equipment. Maybe there is a bug in the calculation?

I haven't noticed anything strange myself, though. I make money with all mail, a good helmet and a greatsword.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: LordRichrich on August 05, 2012, 12:22:38 pm
I do fine. Hell, I even had a run of two weeks where I constantly used gear worth around 60k (transitional armour and highland claymore + gloves etc) with only a buffer of 10k. I came out about even, somehow. God knows how
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: callahan9119 on August 05, 2012, 06:41:52 pm
Quote from: Patchedcow on August 05, 2012, 07:39:09 am
Now what you're saying is bullshit. I always wear a pilgrim hood, byrnie, mail gloves, turkish shoes, and a sword of war. I BARELY make any money. When I put on heraldic mail, a good helmet, and maybe some better shoes, I lose 10k gold within a few rounds. Your lying about the 36k gold. There's no fucking way seeing as how I can't keep myself up with armor around 20k gold with multis once in a while, yet you are neutral at x1 with armor at 36k.

Yes, it's true. 36k....sustainable and money making at times.

Quote from: LordRichrich on August 05, 2012, 12:22:38 pm
I do fine. Hell, I even had a run of two weeks where I constantly used gear worth around 60k (transitional armour and highland claymore + gloves etc) with only a buffer of 10k. I came out about even, somehow. God knows how

Same, I was wearing very heavy armor for a few days and I actually made like 10k over the time I used it...musta had a bunch of multis.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Torost on August 06, 2012, 07:19:34 am
Maybe use 1x Throwingspears 2x wardarts instead?
That way you have some ammo to go with all the points and wpf spent on throwing.
Aim for the head!  :D
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on August 06, 2012, 08:12:20 am
darts are to weak.
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Zanze on August 06, 2012, 08:27:10 am
Change equipment on 3x. Use a cheaper set of gear consisting of leathers or mail and your heirlooms, then a complete set of your heaviest on a 3x.

Also, a tip for you from a moneysaving maniac. The BEST equipment cost to team contribution ratio is at 15-20k. Don't be those a-holes that walk around in a shirt and a wooden sword because they are poor. Use mail or strong leathers, the byrnie is a VERY good cost effective armor.

I personally use 18700ish equipment cost gear. It's all made to be cost effective and using cheaper things where I can get away with it. However, I still contribute and regularly top the charts. Because my main set of gear and heirlooms are so cheap, I never switch equipment. However if you play with higher tier stuff (500+ repairs), then use cheap mail or leathers at 1-2x and switch to your heaviest equipment and weapons at a 3-5x.

Also, I've been asked this before and here is the same answer.

Player: How do you make money if you plan to play cavalry?
Me: If you plan to cav, you cannot plan to make money.

(Yes, you can if u use shit leather and a rouncey, but GL unless you are Tommyhu or Huey)
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 06, 2012, 01:30:43 pm
My total wealth is ussually around 8k but that is because I buy new armor/weapons almost daily, I still make money with around 2-2.3k max upkeep. It also depends wether you lose alot of rounds or are on a win streak.   :D
Title: Re: How are people able to upkeep their characters?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on August 08, 2012, 10:51:07 am
Quote from: Zanze on August 06, 2012, 08:27:10 am
Change equipment on 3x. Use a cheaper set of gear consisting of leathers or mail and your heirlooms, then a complete set of your heaviest on a 3x.

Also, a tip for you from a moneysaving maniac. The BEST equipment cost to team contribution ratio is at 15-20k. Don't be those a-holes that walk around in a shirt and a wooden sword because they are poor. Use mail or strong leathers, the byrnie is a VERY good cost effective armor.

I personally use 18700ish equipment cost gear. It's all made to be cost effective and using cheaper things where I can get away with it. However, I still contribute and regularly top the charts. Because my main set of gear and heirlooms are so cheap, I never switch equipment. However if you play with higher tier stuff (500+ repairs), then use cheap mail or leathers at 1-2x and switch to your heaviest equipment and weapons at a 3-5x.

Also, I've been asked this before and here is the same answer.

Player: How do you make money if you plan to play cavalry?
Me: If you plan to cav, you cannot plan to make money.

(Yes, you can if u use shit leather and a rouncey, but GL unless you are Tommyhu or Huey)

Pretty much all you need to know right here. Zan is arguably the best hoplite I've seen on NA, and he does not wear gear much heavier than my own at about 17k worth, 1,220 max upkeep. However, I do have my own insight for you in regards to throwing. Use war darts. They are fucking awesome. They are quite insanely accurate, they do decent damage as long as you have PT and wpf to back them up, and for fuck sake you get six of them per stack. In a team situation, it is often quite difficult to get tons of kills with throwing weapons. You're scared of your big ole jarids popping a teammate, there are shields involved, etc. With war darts, you can get the maximum amount of staggering in in order to give your teammates of the strength juicer variety a killshot. If you're worried about looking like a scrubnoobbadlord with your no-kills; the score system will now prevent that. To top it off, war darts are cheaper than fuck as well. Really my favorite throwing weapon.

I've never had any issues whatsoever with upkeep. Not even on generation 1 starting out. Maybe it's because I've never once used anything heavier than light mail and plate; and only 20 rounds total with that, I'd say. But if what you're saying is true, you're wearing roughly the same armours that I was at your stage in the mod. It is entirely possible that you are just unlucky as FUCK. With such an upkeep system, there will always be people that have paid more or less repairs using gear of equal value. If that bothers you a lot...I don't know what to tell you.