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Title: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patchedcow on August 04, 2012, 03:52:21 am
I'm running out of gold. Everyday I'm trying out different 2hers, and selling them back, because I cannot find the one I like. I'm a 21/18 build and I'd like to know what you guys think the best 2h sword is to you. I know there's been countless threads about this, but this one will be up to date I suppose.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Leshma on August 04, 2012, 03:56:36 am
German Greatsword
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Winterly on August 04, 2012, 04:33:43 am
What sort of playstyle do you like?

Duelist?
Keeping distance?
Power blows?
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on August 04, 2012, 04:43:09 am
battle - War cleaver
Siege - bastard sword / any kind of maul if you ask only 2h weapons not just swords)
Dueling - two handed sword or one of the "op" danish/german great swords
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patchedcow on August 04, 2012, 04:44:49 am
What sort of playstyle do you like?

Duelist?
Keeping distance?
Power blows?

I enjoy duels and am a great duelist.
I enjoy keeping distance and closing in on them once they've missed their slash.
But I mainly play siege, sometimes battle.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Winterly on August 04, 2012, 04:55:33 am
I enjoy duels and am a great duelist.
I enjoy keeping distance and closing in on them once they've missed their slash.
Don't know what you mean by power blows, but I'm fond of slashing. Stabbing never hits people when I do it. It's so weird.
But I mainly play siege, sometimes battle.

As a duelist, I prefer shorter, faster weapons such as Longsword and HBS.
If you want hard hitting weapons (what I meant by power blows), I'd go with Morningstar/Mauls. Axes are great vs Shielders.
If you hate stabbing weapons, I wouldn't recommend any of the longer 2Hs.

Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patchedcow on August 04, 2012, 05:02:53 am
As a duelist, I prefer shorter, faster weapons such as Longsword and HBS.
If you want hard hitting weapons (what I meant by power blows), I'd go with Morningstar/Mauls. Axes are great vs Shielders.
If you hate stabbing weapons, I wouldn't recommend any of the longer 2Hs.
I was thinking SoW or Claymore, long range is better for agi/balanced builds, imo.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Winterly on August 04, 2012, 05:15:16 am
I was thinking SoW or Claymore, long range is better for agi/balanced builds, imo.

The longer/heavier the weapon, the slower you are. SoW is more for stabbing so you should probably try claymore first.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: DerFurst on August 04, 2012, 08:05:16 am
You shouldn't hate stabbing. It's one of the best features of the 2h sword. The reason why is because with good timing you will always hit first against another 2her swinging the other 3 directions, even if the guy you're fighting has a longer or faster sword. Plus it's a very useful attack for taking enemies by surprise (esp coming up the walls on siege ladders) and can poke enemies distracted in duels with your teammates without as much chance of twing.

Stabs aren't precisely in the middle of your screen. They're slightly to your upper left. Compensate for this by aiming somewhat to the right. You also need some room to stab so you should never try it if your're smushed up against someone. However, if your stab is already about 50% through the animation you can hit people extremely close to you. Don't be afraid to turn while swinging because stabs will allow at least 30 degrees of motion left or right.

Good stabbing weapons include the German Greatsword (poor slashing ability, great stab. Wouldn't recommend), Danish Greatsword (longest length, good cut, good stab), and the Sword of War (good cut, good stab, 1 point faster. My weapon of choice). You could use the Highland Claymore but it's a little too short for how slow it is. Sword of War is longer and faster, which means you'll have a better chance of hitting against most 2hers.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: zagibu on August 04, 2012, 12:15:15 pm
If you don't stab so often, Sword of War or Highland Claymore is a good choice. Danish if you want to join the clone armies.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Chasey on August 04, 2012, 01:10:45 pm
Danish for swinging
German for stabbing
Great sword for animations
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: korppis on August 04, 2012, 05:26:36 pm
Danish/German are best.

But if you're running out of gold, heavy bastard sword is also nice and cheap.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patchedcow on August 04, 2012, 05:31:54 pm
You shouldn't hate stabbing. It's one of the best features of the 2h sword. The reason why is because with good timing you will always hit first against another 2her swinging the other 3 directions, even if the guy you're fighting has a longer or faster sword. Plus it's a very useful attack for taking enemies by surprise (esp coming up the walls on siege ladders) and can poke enemies distracted in duels with your teammates without as much chance of twing.

Stabs aren't precisely in the middle of your screen. They're slightly to your upper left. Compensate for this by aiming somewhat to the right. You also need some room to stab so you should never try it if your're smushed up against someone. However, if your stab is already about 50% through the animation you can hit people extremely close to you. Don't be afraid to turn while swinging because stabs will allow at least 30 degrees of motion left or right.

Good stabbing weapons include the German Greatsword (poor slashing ability, great stab. Wouldn't recommend), Danish Greatsword (longest length, good cut, good stab), and the Sword of War (good cut, good stab, 1 point faster. My weapon of choice). You could use the Highland Claymore but it's a little too short for how slow it is. Sword of War is longer and faster, which means you'll have a better chance of hitting against most 2hers.
My stabs never seem to hit. It doesn't make a sword's noise when I stab someone. All I hear is a light blunt type noise when I try stabbing someone. It barely ever stabs, and that's why I never use it. I'll try the Sword of War for now.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Cup1d on August 04, 2012, 07:15:20 pm
I enjoy duels and am a great duelist.

My stabs never seem to hit.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Leshma on August 04, 2012, 07:32:14 pm
Seriously, player who can't stab with a greatsword is actually a noob (fresh of the boat).
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Gloin on August 04, 2012, 07:35:38 pm
I usally stab and love great swords (clasical) look.

I think it has better speed,good look,good stab but less swing.

My vote to normal gs
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Shieldoom on August 04, 2012, 07:41:30 pm
Great axe is the best 2-h sword.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 06, 2012, 01:00:32 pm
Seriously, player who can't stab with a greatsword is actually a noob (fresh of the boat).

So all the stab spammers are pro's? Ppl who stay behind(with their high agi builds) and just move in - stab and move out with a kill? :D I do not agree with this!

On topic: SoW is awesome if you want to swing more then stab all the high-end greatswords are homoerotic so don't use 'em!!  :mad: :P jk, its up to you really, just test 'em out. :)

My list

Slashing: SoW
Stab: GGS
Dmg: Morningstar (pierce dmg is sick!)

Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 06, 2012, 03:40:12 pm

I enjoy duels and am a great duelist.

My stabs never seem to hit.


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Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: [ptx] on August 06, 2012, 03:55:27 pm
Miaodao has a rather nice feeling to it and is overall a rather fast and hard hitting slashing sword.

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Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Zerran on August 06, 2012, 06:24:46 pm


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On topic, if you don't like stabbing you could always just use one of the swords that lacks a stab. Miaodao, War Cleaver, or Nodachi.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: FleetFox on August 06, 2012, 11:09:52 pm
Nodachi all day every day :) Hope I helped :P




(really nice length for a curved weapon, often get kills due to underestimation of its length. 43 cut is great (46 at MW!), the only con is no stab but im sure you can live with that ^^)

 
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Zerran on August 06, 2012, 11:33:58 pm
Nodachi all day every day :) Hope I helped :P




(really nice length for a curved weapon, often get kills due to underestimation of its length. 43 cut is great (46 at MW!), the only con is no stab but im sure you can live with that ^^)

Honestly I wouldn't say lacking a stab is a con. Stabs are very situational attacks, that require very specific footwork. Accidentally throwing out a stab when you didn't mean to can very easily get you killed. The weapons that don't have stabs don't have to worry about this, and therefore don't have to focus quite as much on choosing their attack direction.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: FleetFox on August 06, 2012, 11:45:18 pm
Honestly I wouldn't say lacking a stab is a con. Stabs are very situational attacks, that require very specific footwork. Accidentally throwing out a stab when you didn't mean to can very easily get you killed. The weapons that don't have stabs don't have to worry about this, and therefore don't have to focus quite as much on choosing their attack direction.

Very true indeed, you make a good argument :)
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Laufknoten on August 07, 2012, 12:22:48 am
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2h stab is a very difficult attack blablabla
What the hell? :D

Dudes seriously:


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Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patchedcow on August 07, 2012, 02:38:48 am
Using the longsword now.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: MB passionately on August 07, 2012, 04:39:51 pm
Playing with my alt character, I bought both Longsword and Bastard Sword.
Im curious why nobody uses/likes simple bastard sword? Its very fast with 99 speed, length of 101 makes it longer than most 1h swords, and with good agility you can evade heavy tincans

Speed 99
Length 101
Swing 35
Thrust 21 (super fast, kills the shielders!!)

Speed 99 allows to stay close vs heavily armored 2h enemies (swinging), stabbing give an advantage over shielders and while being able to hit faster, blocking is also very easy

Price 4000 Gold
Upkeep 280 Gold


The Longsword in comparison is almost the same

Speed:98
Length:106
Thrust:23 pierce
Swing:36 cut

price:6,660 gold
Upkeep:466 gold

Some people say sword stabbing is for noobs, but what is it called running around with a 40 cut Great Sword? Is that manly?
...anyway, call it a subjective opinion, somehow the speed difference of 1 matters a lot in close combat or being surrounded by odds. Or not?

Some expert opinions about this comparison? If you think Bastard Sword is shit, what could be a good alternative?
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Aseplhood on August 07, 2012, 05:01:37 pm
Playing with my alt character, I bought both Longsword and Bastard Sword.
Im curious why nobody uses/likes simple bastard sword? Its very fast with 99 speed, length of 101 makes it longer than most 1h swords, and with good agility you can evade heavy tincans

Speed 99
Length 101
Swing 35
Thrust 21 (super fast, kills the shielders!!)

Speed 99 allows to stay close vs heavily armored 2h enemies (swinging), stabbing give an advantage over shielders and while being able to hit faster, blocking is also very easy

Price 4000 Gold
Upkeep 280 Gold


The Longsword in comparison is almost the same

Speed:98
Length:106
Thrust:23 pierce
Swing:36 cut

price:6,660 gold
Upkeep:466 gold

Some people say sword stabbing is for noobs, but what is it called running around with a 40 cut Great Sword? Is that manly?
...anyway, call it a subjective opinion, somehow the speed difference of 1 matters a lot in close combat or being surrounded by odds. Or not?

Some expert opinions about this comparison? If you think Bastard Sword is shit, what could be a good alternative?

Longsword is a bit longer, it's swing damage is 1 higher and thrust 2 higher. However, bastard sword's upkeep is way lower, so it's good for people who wants to earn some money.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: MB passionately on August 07, 2012, 05:16:55 pm
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Longsword is a bit longer, it's swing damage is 1 higher and thrust 2 higher. However, bastard sword's upkeep is way lower, so it's good for people who wants to earn some money.

If its 1v1 and you fight against an equally armored guy with a Great (German or Danish) Sword, which weapon would you choose then?
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Fartface on August 07, 2012, 09:21:53 pm
Bastard if im agi build , 21 agi with mw bastard and chambers are deadly.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: zagibu on August 07, 2012, 09:35:15 pm
So all the stab spammers are pro's? Ppl who stay behind(with their high agi builds) and just move in - stab and move out with a kill? :D I do not agree with this!

Learn some logic: http://www.math.csusb.edu/notes/logic/lognot/node2.html
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: oprah_winfrey on August 07, 2012, 09:35:23 pm
If its 1v1 and you fight against an equally armored guy with a Great (German or Danish) Sword, which weapon would you choose then?

THE DANISH OBV.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Mosquito on August 09, 2012, 12:21:31 am
try them all and then go back to German GS. When you play on battle and get run down by lots of horses you'll learn to love stabbing more.

*PS i'm one of the noobs who run in stab and run out* it only works if enemy let you, all they need to do is stand together and block, but get a bunch of ppl together and logic goes out of window:)

But seriously German GS is really good allrounder, i bought it because it looks like the Templar sword from film Ironclad originally (i'm fickle like that) but its very good. Best way is wait until i die, which doesn't usually take long and pick up mine and try it out :P
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Uumdi on August 09, 2012, 03:24:25 am
HBS/Longsword.  Claymore's my favorite top tier, but I settled with the german my first gen playing.


Honestly though man, don't underestimate the other ones around.  Dadao and Miaodao are phenominal swords.  Couple people will argue in favor of the 'regular' Great Sword.  Pick what looks coolest, or sleekest to you.  Half the game is feeling like a badass, and you can get away with using the 1h meat cleaver in this game if you try hard enough.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patchedcow on August 09, 2012, 04:46:20 am
HBS/Longsword.  Claymore's my favorite top tier, but I settled with the german my first gen playing.


Honestly though man, don't underestimate the other ones around.  Dadao and Miaodao are phenominal swords.  Couple people will argue in favor of the 'regular' Great Sword.  Pick what looks coolest, or sleekest to you.  Half the game is feeling like a badass, and you can get away with using the 1h meat cleaver in this game if you try hard enough.
That's what I did in the end. I chose the long sword, because it looks awesome. I'm appreciating stabbing more, so I may buy a regular great sword next.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Tibe on August 09, 2012, 06:33:28 am
I went with a completely regular native Greatsword. Reason? Its got good stab, its faster than other greatswords(exept sword of war which has same speed) and looks good. If you not much of a lolstabber go with Claymore if you wanna be more of a support player and also be able to take down cav like a boss go with Flamberge.

The bastardo swords and longsword is for a player whose all out for spamming. Normally I smash most of these sword users cause they normally arent paying attention to blocking anymore and spend most of their combat trickhitting infront of their opponents face rather than acctually hitting something. But those are good weapons none the less.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: owens on August 09, 2012, 08:09:01 am
HBS/longsword

two handed sword

miadao
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Macropus on August 11, 2012, 09:10:10 pm
There is no objectively best 2H sword.
The best sword to you is the sword you most got used to.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patoson on August 15, 2012, 10:43:29 am
Great sword for animations

What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Rebelyell on August 15, 2012, 10:59:06 am
longsword
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Camaris on August 16, 2012, 04:14:12 pm
I like Two Handed Sword and Heavy Bastard Sword most. They are probably a bit more difficult for new players then those greatswords.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Bernard on August 18, 2012, 03:10:19 am
I would use Danish Greatsword.

But you need to be pretty good at blocking, its not really a spam-weapon  :wink:

Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 18, 2012, 04:02:49 am
I like Two Handed Sword and Heavy Bastard Sword most. They are probably a bit more difficult for new players then those greatswords.
Spamming isn't hard
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Elindor on August 18, 2012, 06:38:12 am
+3 Longsword - some days I love it, occationally I wish it was longer, but its an awesome awesome weapon when +3
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Bobthehero on August 18, 2012, 07:02:01 am
I absolutely love the longsword, personally.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Shrugging Khan on August 18, 2012, 05:03:39 pm
SWORD OF WAR

Seriously. Best-looking, and although it looses out a little in the damage and length departments compared to the Greatswords (by, what, two points out of a hundred and twenty-something?), it gets the upper hand in terms of speed and weight (important for stunning).

Also, for those who haven't yet noticed: There's more than two weapons in this game.
Title: Re: Best 2H Sword
Post by: Patoson on August 24, 2012, 11:47:05 pm
SWORD OF WAR

Seriously. Best-looking
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