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Title: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Riddaren on August 02, 2012, 09:01:24 pm
I don't have anything against running archers. That's how they should play if they can (have the athletics).
The stupid ones are those melee guys who ends up dying after they failed to catch an archer they were chasing and then complain about running archers on the forums.

Something else that annoys me is archers who have the athletics but get convinced to duel some melee guy late round and lose.
This melee "hero" obviously have the upper hand and the archer usually loses. Stop that. Just run and shot him and enjoy the gratitude of your teamates for not losing the round instead of the opposite.
The melee guy deserves it for not having a shield or more running speed than you. Also, if he had played the round differently he would not have ended up in a bad situation like that.
He could have prioritized killing ranged earlier in the round but he kept on going for easy kills to boost his score.


What about playing as an archer with 0 athletics?

Then you can get one of the following instead of ~7 athletics (15/21 build, 18/21 build, 21/21 build):
- 3 STR and 1 PD
- 3 AGI and 1 WM
- Max out PS

But it's very hard to team up with players or even keep up with the main group with only 0 athletics.
7 athletics is truly "easy mode" for an archer as you can play around with anyone. Look at ROBINHOOD for example.

Has anyone successfully played archer without athletics?

I cant think of any archer with low running speed. The most successful ones have maxed out athletics.

However I wanted to give 0 athletic arhery a chance.
Is it possible or hopeless?

Discuss.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Corwin on August 02, 2012, 09:05:04 pm
Wolves Sebastian plays with 0 ath and 10PD.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Riddaren on August 02, 2012, 09:07:13 pm
Okey, thanks. Will keep an eye out for him and see if he does it well :D
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Winterly on August 02, 2012, 09:07:58 pm
Shik plays similar to 0 athletics...10PS, shit WPF, shoots an unaimed rocket launcher.  Terribly hates it from what I know, he's level 33 I think (on NA)
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Riddaren on August 02, 2012, 09:15:25 pm
Shik plays similar to 0 athletics...10PS, shit WPF, shoots an unaimed rocket launcher.  Terribly hates it from what I know, he's level 33 I think (on NA)

Yeah I can imagine.

I remember when I had a full str build (just 3 agility and 1 athletics) for a melee character.
Most boring character I've played yet.

I like speed and that's also why I like being a lancer so I will probably not stick with 0 athletics forever.
Just wanted to hear what everyone thinks about 0 athletic archery. Viable or not.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Winterly on August 02, 2012, 09:19:08 pm
Yeah I can imagine.

I remember when I had a full str build (just 3 agility and 1 athletics) for a melee character.
Most boring character I've played yet.

I like speed and that's also why I like being a lancer so I will probably not stick with 0 athletics forever.
Just wanted to hear what everyone thinks about 0 athletic archery. Viable or not.

When he comes back on, I'll direct him to this thread so he can share his thoughts...not guaranteed.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Riddaren on August 02, 2012, 10:11:20 pm
Cav player on archer alt after 2 maps = huge post of "enlightenment"

Hehe :wink:

I guess I have played dedicated foot archer for around 20 million in total and 10 million as HA.

Also, playing alongside archers or killing them (and I have killed a lot) also gives experience.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Riddaren on August 02, 2012, 10:18:32 pm
My bad than... I saw you as cav every time, and you were ranting on the server a bit as archer, so I thought...

Np, not easy to know as all of my other alts are "anonymous".
I plan on changing that though. Problem is I need to retire them first which takes some time... :)
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on August 02, 2012, 10:21:10 pm
Why not go 27/15.

9 PD, 146WPF and 3 Athletics.

Youre not totally immobile, you still hit like a .50 and its a bit more accurate.

EDIT: Holy crap, looking at the calculator with MW Longbow and MW Bodkins my level 31 main would get 1 shot nearly every time by this. :|
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Miwiw on August 02, 2012, 10:21:51 pm
Never went below 6 ATH with my Archers. Never went below 5 ATH with any build. Need the speed for melee fights.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Crazyi on August 02, 2012, 10:50:59 pm
It is basically being able to survive vs being able to do more damage. teaming up is hard in the public servers, but it is extremely easy in strat battles where archers are the most effective. I personally would say closer to balance is better, but that is my taste. Like others have stated the 0 athletics also means 1 wpf, which will make you extremely unaccurate. So you with high str you will do massive damage but hit maybe 1 in 5. With somewhere near balance you will hit 1 for 2 typically, and be able to outrun people.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Osiris on August 03, 2012, 01:24:13 pm
im trying this build on my stf today

18-24

3ath
6pd
8wpm
172 wpf

ima try a selection of bows :P
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on August 03, 2012, 01:28:55 pm
Wolves Sebastian plays with 0 ath and 10PD.

it is a lie, he is lvl 35 if im right , he has 30/15 build thats sure , and he has atleast 3 ath how i remember.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Arrowblood on August 03, 2012, 03:35:21 pm
I play 9 generations with 0 athl. And i will go to 34 with 0 athl :arrow:
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: Corwin on August 03, 2012, 05:34:15 pm
it is a lie, he is lvl 35 if im right , he has 30/15 build thats sure , and he has atleast 3 ath how i remember.

http://forum.meleegaming.com/profile/_Sebastian_/
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: _Sebastian_ on August 03, 2012, 06:46:37 pm
Okey, thanks. Will keep an eye out for him and see if he does it well :D
You need a big amout of luck to see me playing crpg atm.
I'm very busy with my mod.

it is a lie, he is lvl 35 if im right , he has 30/15 build thats sure , and he has atleast 3 ath how i remember.
You are wrong. :wink:
Reaching lvl35 without playing is a bit hard.
Aslo my build is allways shown in my signature.

If you want to know how much ath increases the movement speed.
Each agility point increases the movment speed by ~0.6%. (this is the base movement speed)
Athlethics increases the base movement speed by ~2.2% per point.
Title: Re: Archery - High athletics vs 0 athletics
Post by: sharker807 on August 04, 2012, 11:06:18 am
how do you get on with that build seb?