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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Realism Discussion => Topic started by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2012, 05:00:54 am
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For the lulz, because they look like Pila.
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The following shows that a shield is effective against a Hasta type spearhead (traditional), while a pilum will penetrate or split it.
http://www.arsdimicandi.net/ad_1_g00003e.wmv
First half of the video they throw Hasta, near the end Pila.
So... BUFF THROWING LANCES :mrgreen:
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And throwing axes should increase the weight of the shield when they are thrown into it, making the shielder slower after every hit ^^
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Throwing Lance already does SIXTY damage and has bonus to shield. I don't see how you can get better than that.
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Throwing Lance already does SIXTY damage and has bonus to shield. I don't see how you can get better than that.
Knockdown, Crushthrough...
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Throwing Lance already does SIXTY damage and has bonus to shield. I don't see how you can get better than that.
actually, it has more raw damage. It has 6 PT req + ~100 WPF and it's already like 100 pierce damage IIRC
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actually, it has more raw damage. It has 7 PT req + ~100 WPF and it's already like 100 pierce damage IIRC
Fixed for you
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That, is, you can actually hit something with the only 4 you have.
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actually, it has more raw damage. It has 6 PT req + ~100 WPF and it's already like 100 pierce damage IIRC
If I got 100 pierce then damn, why the fuck ain't I twohitting tincans?
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If I got 100 pierce then damn, why the fuck ain't I twohitting tincans?
I don't twohit tincans most of the time too.
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You know what... knock down would actually be fucking awesome. I don't know if it's possible but in a Medieval themed game that is currently in beta atm that I have been playing and am in no way breaking the NDA for right now has a cool thing with cav where if you get a stunning/knock down hit on a ride they fly arse first of the horse, now that would be a nice addition to c-rpg.
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They are weak...
They should penetrate shields and wreck anyone\anything they hit. The current cRPG generation doesn't understand the fear that a throwing lance used to inspire.
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once i survived headthrow with lance
27 str and 8 if and +3 great helmet
many saw that on eu1.
In my opinion that weapon should 1 hit most of the time
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+1
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once i survived headthrow with lance
27 str and 8 if and +3 great helmet
many saw that on eu1.
In my opinion that weapon should 1 hit most of the time
78 HP and 60 head armour, what would you expect?
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actually, it has more raw damage. It has 6 PT req + ~100 WPF and it's already like 100 pierce damage IIRC
Okay
78 HP and 60 head armour, what would you expect?
Using said damage,
I expect a 100 base damage throwing lance to destroy anyone with a headshot, considering the normal 75% bonus to base damage plus another 33% from the ranged patch.
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Don't forget that this damage is point blank = you get your damage reduced with any range plus don't forget about speed bonuses - lower missile speed you have - bigger speed bonuses/penalties affect your damage. So with successful dodge - you can survive a headshot from a thrower on some certain range.
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78 HP and 60 head armour, what would you expect?
Death.
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no ranged buffs except in point system
nerf heavy throwing axes
delete rus bow from game
triple bow weight of archers
make throwing weapons break as much as arrows
give all throwing axes half as much ammo
cut all xbow accuracy to 1/5 of what it is now, going back to 4/5 of what it is now at 150 effective xbow WPF
cut all horse armor ratings in half, lance damage by 1/4
permamute tears of destiny
^^ do this and good game for once maybe
edit: didn't realize this was posted in the katana subforum. disregard any of my necessary and popular majority opinions and circle jerk over ranged speed bonuses
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no ranged buffs except in point system
nerf heavy throwing axes
delete rus bow from game
triple bow weight of archers
make throwing weapons break as much as arrows
give all throwing axes half as much ammo
cut all xbow accuracy to 1/5 of what it is now, going back to 4/5 of what it is now at 150 effective xbow WPF
cut all horse armor ratings in half, lance damage by 1/4
permamute tears of destiny
^^ do this and good game for once maybe
Seeing you reply to my glorious thread I decided to take the liberty of reading your response and I am surprised to see that almost every point that you made utterly fails to be "realistic" and seems rather off-topic with the notable exception of the amount of throwing axes that an individual can carry. Please stay on topic or I will be forced to report you. (See: Forum Rules (http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/forum-rules/))
In the future if you make similar errors you can always delete your rather large spam post and instead choose to put a simple "nvm" or an actual content-filled post, thank you for your understanding and cooperation! I regret to inform you that even if this was the normal Game Balance forum, your post would still be off-topic as we are discussing throwing lances (and throwing by extent) and not bows or crossbow wpf or really quite a few of your points. <3
Perhaps you were looking for either the Game Balance Discussion (http://forum.meleegaming.com/game-balance-discussion/) forum or the Suggestions Corner (http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/) forum? This is the Realism Discussion (http://forum.meleegaming.com/realism-discussion/) forum, good sir.
#Seriousbusiness.
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let's be realist a moment, if I remember correctly throwing lance (or pilum) were used to make shield useless (try to fight with a shield when a 5 foot lance is stuck in... humm ok you could break it but that mean a moment with no shield no cover : SO DEATH!!) and PLUS it could penetrate rather easily so it SHOULD does damage (reduced damaged because we all have a basis in physic and we all agree that friction of shield would reduce the speed so the power of the lance) so from a REALISTIC point of view throwing lance should do damage even if shield up
or they should kill the shield
well let's say shield with less then 30 resistance (don't think the pilum could go throught the steel shield)
hum not clear but clean enough
(yes I was a masterwork throwing lance user... and I mean... with 10 pt when you waste ALL your lance on that shielder it's annoying even more considering you'll take 2 lance to kill almost anyone... and with the point system as I one shot many people my score will never get high (max 4 one shot... so about 20 points))
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Well, anyway shield penetration sounds cool and I would also want the price of throwing lances to go down to something like 5.5k. Already tried to lobby Urist, though he doesn't want to change anything :D
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XBOWS penetrate shields so code must be there for lances to do same. I dont miss the "Harpwn" (harpoon + pwnd) that lances WERE, but I do think they are a kinda jokey weapon now, sure the thrower might get TWO kills if he is lucky, with his entire ammo supply...
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That moment when I onehit bobby with an dadao , and he survives a throwing lance HS :mrgreen:
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If range hits you in the head, you wouldn't see the model. So that was either registered as a body shot and just looks like a headshot or is a headshot that didn't do damage (guy had 7 PT but no wpf/weaing too much armor).
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some of saracen guys made that pic and that 100% true
I had like 0HP left.
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I have seen many ranged weapons stuck in head, model appears sometimes if it donesn't kill you I think it's true...
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I have seen many ranged weapons stuck in head, model appears sometimes if it donesn't kill you I think it's true...
IIRC it's shown if it dealt more than 80 (might be 70 or 60) damage to you. So, only high IF people can have a projectile stuck in the head while still being alive.
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Okay, while it may be cool, the video is meh.
I hate to inform that in the middle ages, they did not use plywood or particle boards for their shield materials.
Just sayin...
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posting in this thread because of how cool and suave the people in the op were
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Throwing lances should one-shot all but the best/metal shields, breaking them and leaving the ex-shielder vulnerable to follow-up attacks. You only get four of them and they're not that hard to dodge. If the shield breaks there should be a chance for knockdown and if a throwing lance hits someone without a shield there should be a much higher chance of knockdown.
Lots else to say about throwing silliness in terms of overall balance but this thread is specifically about shields and I kinda give-up on trying to debate fixes anyhow.
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Reload time and accuracy should be nerfed on throwing to move them further from a kinda "short range spam archery" to a unique thing. Yes, the lances look like they were designed to pierce shields and armour and do massive internal damage, and also hitting an opponents shield with ANY throwing weapon should add the weight of the misile to the shield but I don't believe that is possible, Im afraid...
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Just call throwing lance "pilum" and make it massive destruction weapon =)
How I feel :
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Hom I m IRL : (watch the last 20 sec...LOL shield... is it made in what I think it is ????)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrWdGb6xtVs
Shield destroyed ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ8obwpJkc8