cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Teeth on July 29, 2012, 05:00:12 pm
Title: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Teeth on July 29, 2012, 05:00:12 pm
Didn't really want to label this as a bug, cause it might be intended, but here goes.
Kicking is a very powerful thing, especially in a 1 vs 1. A simple press to a button to an opponent that gets close, gives you a free hit. When someone masters this, it gets really strong, look at Hearst. Very strong things need a counter. In the case of kicking its stabbing. Someone who kicks can't block down, so if you skillfully anticipate the kick you do a stab. There, you save yourself from getting kicked and hit the enemy.
At least so I thought. Turns out you can actually block stabs if you block down before you start the kick. I duelled Hearst, anticipated the kick correctly three times, he blocked two times during his kick. Which leaves a very strong feature, kicking, without a reliable counter. Which, when combined with a long weapon and good range control, renders it OP as fuck. Again, look at Hearst.
So I hope the devs can disable someone from down blocking while kicking completely, and not just in some occasions. So spamming kicks is not something that can be done with little disadvantage.
/QQ
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Bulzur on July 29, 2012, 05:43:18 pm
Seems legit.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: cmp on July 29, 2012, 05:46:27 pm
Old, already announced that kick will lose blocking completely (and gain some range/turning).
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on July 29, 2012, 05:46:58 pm
Old, already announced that kick will lose blocking completely (and gain some range/turning).
Also it seems that in cRPG that kick target seems small. I can't word it very well. There's been many times when my kick will hit them near the arm but just go through, it seems like you have to kick directly in their balls for it to work.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: cmp on July 29, 2012, 09:17:51 pm
Also it seems that in cRPG that kick target seems small. I can't word it very well. There's been many times when my kick will hit them near the arm but just go through, it seems like you have to kick directly in their balls for it to work.
Kick is hardcoded, it's exactly the same in Native.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Korgoth on July 29, 2012, 09:29:36 pm
Kick is hardcoded, it's exactly the same in Native.
Well I haven't played Native for ages. I miss the days when kicking was OP.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Tor! on July 29, 2012, 09:55:56 pm
To be fair, kicks shouldnt gain range even though they lose blocking. Longer weapons already have a major kick advantage where the shorter weapons have to move in for the hit.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Lannistark on July 29, 2012, 09:59:19 pm
Remove blocking in kicks? Poor Hearst, what is he going to do now :twisted:
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Jarlek on July 30, 2012, 01:43:41 am
One thing that has always annoyed me (and it might even be a bug) is that if you hit a guy that is kicking (not his block. HIM. As in doing damage to the person currently trying to kick you), it doesn't cancel the kick. More than once I've hit a guy who tried to kick me because he blocked wrong, only to be hit by the kick right after and him getting a free hit on me. Really annoying.
I think I posted a thread about it a long time ago.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Teeth on July 30, 2012, 01:47:00 am
One thing that has always annoyed me (and it might even be a bug) is that if you hit a guy that is kicking (not his block. HIM. As in doing damage to the person currently trying to kick you), it doesn't cancel the kick. More than once I've hit a guy who tried to kick me because he blocked wrong, only to be hit by the kick right after and him getting a free hit on me. Really annoying.
I think I posted a thread about it a long time ago.
In my experience they can't hit you during the 'no block' time from the kick if you actually do damage to them. Regardless, hitting them should cancel the kick.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Jarlek on July 30, 2012, 02:52:03 am
In my experience they can't hit you during the 'no block' time from the kick if you actually do damage to them. Regardless, hitting them should cancel the kick.
I'll see into that.
But yeah. Getting hit while kicking should always stop the kick.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: BlindGuy on July 30, 2012, 02:58:57 am
To be fair, kicks shouldnt gain range even though they lose blocking. Longer weapons already have a major kick advantage where the shorter weapons have to move in for the hit.
This. I regularly use kick because it's very powerful if you know how to use it and I wouldn't mind at all just losing the blocking ability, without any boost.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 30, 2012, 10:42:12 am
Your katana has 50 weapon length while stabbing? Interesting.
Yes, since if you do it from much further away you glance or "miss". When I say miss, I mean that your sword goes through them for a moment then you're flapping around in the wind because of the turning nerf.
One thing that has always annoyed me (and it might even be a bug) is that if you hit a guy that is kicking (not his block. HIM. As in doing damage to the person currently trying to kick you), it doesn't cancel the kick. More than once I've hit a guy who tried to kick me because he blocked wrong, only to be hit by the kick right after and him getting a free hit on me. Really annoying.
I think I posted a thread about it a long time ago.
This. Vex kills me like this all the time, I stab him (and do damage), he kicks me through my stab damage, then I'm stunned and he pummels me like the nerdy kid at school.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: [ptx] on July 30, 2012, 12:11:16 pm
In my experience they can't hit you during the 'no block' time from the kick if you actually do damage to them. Regardless, hitting them should cancel the kick.
I have experienced that myself - attack a guy, hit him JUST BEFORE his kick lands on you, score a hit but take a free one as well.
Title: Re: Fix stabbing someone who kicks
Post by: BlindGuy on July 30, 2012, 04:37:16 pm