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Title: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: mulas on July 21, 2012, 04:58:16 am
Watch and be amazed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

The truth will set you free! Katana is superior in every way, not to mention lighter and faster. The devs need to fix the katana, especially the stabbing damage equal to wooden sword is dumb.

Katana has longer hilt hence better leverage for power strike. Jap Metallurgy are better, folding steel technique to weed out impurity. The curve blade was design to cut better than straight blade, cutting in diagonally. The blade is shorter and stiffer, less flexing when stabbing. Katana clay tempered the edge so the it's harder and easier to cut, while the spine of the blade is flexible and easy to bend.   

Nuff said.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 21, 2012, 05:03:41 am
K (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html)
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Bjord on July 21, 2012, 05:05:48 am
Not this one again.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Player_01 on July 21, 2012, 05:07:09 am
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Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 21, 2012, 05:07:48 am
Quote from: mulas on July 21, 2012, 04:58:16 am
Watch and be amazed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

The truth will set you free! Katana is superior in every way, not to mention lighter and faster. The devs need to fix the katana, especially the stabbing damage equal to wooden sword is dumb.

You really believe in that?
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Christo on July 21, 2012, 05:09:00 am
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Not this again..
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Sarpton on July 21, 2012, 05:11:14 am
Oh this video again how fun.


long sword unsharpened

Used wrong

Ice block pre cut for katana

Pretty much everything in this video is derpy.   Or just grossly misinformed.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Christo on July 21, 2012, 05:13:30 am
Well, what did you expect from a guy who reviews guns like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuhQdvkORu4&t=1m3s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuhQdvkORu4&t=1m3s)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Player_01 on July 21, 2012, 05:15:03 am
I love the leather armor swing for the katana, they pretty much swing for the least protected spot on the practice target.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: HardRice on July 21, 2012, 05:15:48 am
Game balance over realism.

kthxbai.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Sarpton on July 21, 2012, 05:15:48 am
 :oops:I mean

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Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: mulas on July 21, 2012, 05:19:05 am
Katana has longer hilt hence better leverage for power strike. Jap Metallurgy are better, folding steel technique to weed out impurity. The curve blade was design to cut better than straight blade, cutting in diagonally. The blade is shorter and stiffer, less flexing when stabbing. Katana clay tempered the edge so the it's harder and easier to cut, while the spine of the blade is flexible and easy to bend.   

Nuff said.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Christo on July 21, 2012, 05:21:44 am
Good.

Now somebody move this where it belongs;

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html)

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 21, 2012, 05:22:34 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: mulas on July 21, 2012, 05:52:19 am
15th century katana is superior to 15th century longsword. Did anyone see the show Deadliest warrior? There was an episode Samurai vs Viking, and a katana cuts through 3 pigs bodies in 1 strike.

Anyway, watch this video, the modern katana chop wood like an ax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHsfGWkO7SM
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Bjord on July 21, 2012, 05:57:04 am
Quote from: mulas on July 21, 2012, 05:52:19 am
15th century katana is superior to 15th century longsword. Did anyone see the show Deadliest warrior? There was an episode Samurai vs Viking, and a katana cuts through 3 pigs bodies in 1 strike.

Anyway, watch this video, the modern katana chop wood like an ax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHsfGWkO7SM

I'm convinced, this guy is a troll. :D

Nobody uses Deadliest Warrior as a reference for historical accuracy, even less support for an argument.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Ptolemy on July 21, 2012, 05:57:55 am
I'm not going to get into the katana vs longsword arguement but what I will say is this:

17 pierce damage stab at masterwork is retarded.

The studded warclub at masterwork does 18 blunt damage. Since blunt and pierce are almost identical, that means that a wooden club can stab better than a folded steel katana.

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Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Dionysus on July 21, 2012, 06:23:06 am
I think it's all to keep the game balanced. I think if a player plays enough with one or the other, they will find it's really preference.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Rhekimos on July 21, 2012, 06:26:24 am
Quote from: Ptolemy on July 21, 2012, 05:57:55 am
I'm not going to get into the katana vs longsword arguement but what I will say is this:

17 pierce damage stab at masterwork is retarded.

The studded warclub at masterwork does 18 blunt damage. Since blunt and pierce are almost identical, that means that a wooden club can stab better than a folded steel katana.

A starving peasant wielding a pitchfork stopping an armored horse at full charge is absolutely ridiculous as well. The peasant doesn't even have enough strength to pick up a 1 kilogram sword. Still, it all makes for a better game.

Similarly, the katana having a weak spot is good for variety in the game.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Bobthehero on July 21, 2012, 06:32:39 am
Holy flying baby jesus I hope that's a troll.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:34:35 am
The skill and discipline of a samurai is better than any warrior on earth. Samurai one on one versus any medieval warrior would win
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: rustyspoon on July 21, 2012, 06:59:50 am
Quote from: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:34:35 am
The skill and discipline of a samurai is better than any warrior on earth. Samurai one on one versus any medieval warrior would win

The samurai already won. That's why we all speak Japanese.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Count_Adhamar on July 21, 2012, 08:58:47 am
Quote from: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:34:35 am
The skill and discipline of a samurai is better than any warrior on earth. Samurai one on one versus any medieval warrior would win

True, but....

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Vkvkvk on July 21, 2012, 09:14:50 am
I love how the guy is swinging the Longsword as if it was a Katana, totally ignoring the fact that Longsword is infact, much longer and decide to still hit near the hilt with the quite possibly unsharpened edge of the sword.

The fact that his longsword stab bent like that also means that he has an absolute shitty form and it just so happens that the shorter Katana leaves more space for shitty form before it bends since it's much shorter.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Araxiel on July 21, 2012, 10:08:20 am
Katana is superior to your longsword European boyz. Admit it.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 10:39:53 am
video made by american rednecks , yes, we can definetly trust them
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Araxiel on July 21, 2012, 10:43:49 am
That guy is a former space marine. He knows shit loads of things.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 10:57:15 am
and space marines know shitload of things about katanas
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Loar Avel on July 21, 2012, 11:30:27 am
Space marine don't use katana,  they use real weapon for man.

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ChainSWORD!
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Matey on July 21, 2012, 11:32:02 am
im siding with the FMJ drill instructor cause i dont want him to be mean to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Rhekimos on July 21, 2012, 11:37:23 am
Quote from: Matey on July 21, 2012, 11:32:02 am
im siding with the FMJ drill instructor cause i dont want him to be mean to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o

Let me hear your war cry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgOaT4xzdvo
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Weren on July 21, 2012, 11:48:59 am
Reposting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc&)
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Leshma on July 21, 2012, 12:49:28 pm
Please, post more of these threads. More "superior katana" threads, dear weeaboo noobs.

Maybe after a tenth or so, developers of this mod finally decide to remove katana for good :D
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: LordBerenger on July 21, 2012, 12:57:22 pm
Umad bitches cuz u can't handle Sarge!
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 21, 2012, 01:07:39 pm
i hate such murrikan shows who have no fucking clue about historical facts. and dude's accent is annoying as hell, even an indian callcenter worker's accent sounds better.

fukken rednecks

btw damascus steel pwns all
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Christo on July 21, 2012, 01:30:11 pm
Quote from: Tavuk_Bey on July 21, 2012, 01:07:39 pm
and dude's accent is annoying as hell, even an indian callcenter worker's accent sounds better.

Reminds me of:

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Just a lot worse, he's funny at least.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 01:46:47 pm
Longsword done by someone who knows what the fuck he is talking about.

Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEMwcSGauY8
Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX8KUXvFVD0
Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSx9bgtxXGU
Part Four
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icL6sv2sQz8
Part Five
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zTPWzNWCNk
Part Six
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCRJ4gprJQ0
Part Seven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0593o7jlPTk
Part Eight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9F3XNOALA
Part Nine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3qqfrL8Frk


Tests the swords on clay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UL0593o7jlPTk&v=0593o7jlPTk&feature=player_detailpage#t=128s
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 21, 2012, 02:42:11 pm
Quote from: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:34:35 am
The skill and discipline of an NAr samurai is better than any warrior on earth. Samurai NAr one on one versus any medieval warrior EU kuyak my old friend would win
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 03:10:42 pm
are you saying that on NA sevrers kuyak + greatswords are rear? can this be true? if thats the case, im moving to NA immidietly
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 21, 2012, 03:12:06 pm
Quote from: gazda on July 21, 2012, 03:10:42 pm
are you saying that on NA sevrers kuyak + greatswords are rear? can this be true? if thats the case, im moving to NA immidietly
I was on NA_1 once with the server being pretty filled up and I didn't see a single kuyak on both teams.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 03:45:19 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 21, 2012, 02:42:11 pm
Quote from: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:34:35 am
The skill and discipline of an NAr samurai is better than any warrior on earth. Samurai NAr one on one versus any medieval warrior EU kuyak my old friend would win

a* NAr.

You only put "an" infront of a word that starts with a vowel.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 21, 2012, 03:50:04 pm
Quote from: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 03:45:19 pm


a* NAr.

You only put "an" infront of a word that starts with a vowel.
I know, it's a bad habit, due to thinking "American god of mass destruction" when writing "NAr".
I still outskill Bjord as a grammerchocolate chip cookie though.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: LordBerenger on July 21, 2012, 03:57:45 pm
Quote from: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 03:45:19 pm


a* NAr.

You only put "an" infront of a word that starts with a vowel.

Not only. Just a quick reminder before Bjord arrives and would've corrected you anyhow.

''Honest'' for example.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 04:02:23 pm
Quote from: CountBerenger on July 21, 2012, 03:57:45 pm
Not only. Just a quick reminder before Bjord arrives and would've corrected you anyhow.

''Honest'' for example.

True, only on words with a silent letter.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: LordBerenger on July 21, 2012, 04:05:58 pm
Quote from: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 04:02:23 pm
True, only on words with a silent letter.

Just so Bjord won't go Himmler Grammar on ur ass :3


Also you better start fapping off at my new avatar
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Korgoth on July 21, 2012, 04:07:11 pm
Quote from: CountBerenger on July 21, 2012, 04:05:58 pm
Just so Bjord won't go Himmler Grammar on ur ass :3


Also you better start fapping off at my new avatar

awwww yeah....... aawwww....
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: polkafranzi on July 21, 2012, 04:08:59 pm
The voice-over commentary that prick does on the video is enough for me to ask that Katana gets removed from cRPG. 

Yes, unrelated, but enough.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: LordBerenger on July 21, 2012, 04:26:12 pm
Quote from: polkafranzi on July 21, 2012, 04:08:59 pm
The voice-over commentary that prick does on the video is enough for me to ask that Katana gets removed from cRPG. 

Yes, unrelated, but enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqG8hnZ94hc
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: matt2507 on July 21, 2012, 05:29:21 pm
when I see this post, it makes me think of this scene by imagining a ninja katana noob spammer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1VzOeGetkI

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 05:46:15 pm
Quote from: matt2507 on July 21, 2012, 05:29:21 pm
when I see this post, it makes me think of this scene by imagining a ninja katana noob spammer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1VzOeGetkI

 :mrgreen:

thats basicaly how anyone without a shield on eu1 feels,
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: matt2507 on July 21, 2012, 05:48:50 pm
Quote from: gazda on July 21, 2012, 05:46:15 pm
thats basicaly how anyone without a shield on eu1 feels,

this is not wrong :(
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:17:16 pm
Surprised I got as many minuses as I did for my comment about Samurai Warriors being superior.

I recognize that gunpowder > skill of a samurai. No one is arguing that.

In fact perhaps part of the reason why Samurai were the best swordsmen in my opinion is their isolation which was inevitably their downfall.

Not to mention that the chain gun vs. samurai thing was kind of inaccurate. Samurai had guns, although I believe they were just muskets.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 06:19:33 pm
if you wanna know who was a better swordsman, knight or samurai, just get some history books and find out. youll see many examples of samurai vs knight fights
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Overdriven on July 21, 2012, 06:20:38 pm
Quote from: TugBoat on July 21, 2012, 06:17:16 pm
Surprised I got as many minuses as I did for my comment about Samurai Warriors being superior.

I recognize that gunpowder > skill of a samurai. No one is arguing that.

In fact perhaps part of the reason why Samurai were the best swordsmen in my opinion is their isolation which was inevitably their downfall.

Not to mention that the chain gun vs. samurai thing was kind of inaccurate. Samurai had guns, although I believe they were just muskets.

My minus has nothing to do with gunpowder. It was simply because a well armed and armoured knight who had been training since they were very young would almost certainly live up to the quality of Katana wielding swordsmen. They are simply completely different styles though and shouldn't be compared.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: korppis on July 21, 2012, 06:33:02 pm
I honestly don't understand where all that katana hate comes from. I don't see many katanas on EU1, since majority of 2h goes for the longest possible greatsword. Although I don't understand why the stab is so low. For example compared to heavy bastard sword, the swing damage is just 1 point higher, but stab 8 points lower. It wouldn't matter otherwise but it gets your weapon stunned way too often. And since katana is almost 2x more expensive than HB, those stats seem a bit weird.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 07:03:38 pm
everyone picks sword of proportional lenght of their penis, thats why archers are limited to daggers and short axes
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 21, 2012, 07:23:18 pm
Quote from: gazda on July 21, 2012, 07:03:38 pm
everyone picks sword of proportional lenght of their penis, thats why archers are limited to daggers and short axes

must be contrary, i'm not sure that guys with flamberge etc have huge penises irl. however, using dagger in c-rpg requires at least 3 balls
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: polkafranzi on July 21, 2012, 07:28:08 pm
Quote from: Tavuk_Bey on July 21, 2012, 07:23:18 pm
must be contrary, i'm not sure that guys with flamberge etc have huge penises irl. however, using dagger in c-rpg requires at least 3 balls

Yeh basically anyone who crutches on length in-game (2h GS hero etc) OR range (which counts as length too) has a tiny cock irl  8-)
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on July 21, 2012, 07:38:10 pm
I'll tell ya what...




Nerf cav.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: LordBerenger on July 21, 2012, 07:38:14 pm
Quote from: polkafranzi on July 21, 2012, 07:28:08 pm
Yeh basically anyone who crutches on length in-game (2h GS hero etc) OR range (which counts as length too) has a tiny cock irl  8-)

Lances doesn't count. Cuz only badasses uses lances.  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 21, 2012, 07:40:09 pm
Quote from: CountBerenger on July 21, 2012, 07:38:14 pm
Lances doesn't count. Cuz only badasses uses lances.  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

all lancer cavs must have baby penises irl. such e-peen stories..
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: _Tak_ on July 21, 2012, 07:50:29 pm
Quote from: CountBerenger on July 21, 2012, 07:38:14 pm
Lances doesn't count. Cuz only badasses uses lances.  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Only great lance/ Jousting lance should be able to couch
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Araxiel on July 21, 2012, 07:51:21 pm
How would you kill then?
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 07:54:17 pm
yeah vincent, hide the fact that you use flamberge all that time and have the smallest cock !
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 21, 2012, 08:28:59 pm
Quote from: AlexTheDragon on July 21, 2012, 07:50:29 pm
Only great lance/ Jousting lance should be able to couch

Quote from: Araxiel on July 21, 2012, 07:51:21 pm
How would you kill then?

Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Bobthehero on July 21, 2012, 08:54:49 pm
And that is HOW you derail a thread.

<3 and hate you, cRPG community.
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 08:56:48 pm
yes, we derailed it from lame my old friend rails and put it on rails leading to awesome turkish kebab selling trainstation
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Spanish on July 21, 2012, 09:06:35 pm
S key heroes and flamberges are gods gift to crpg! No one cares about a katana when you can have a flamburgler
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Winterly on July 21, 2012, 09:11:09 pm
Quote from: Spanish on July 21, 2012, 09:06:35 pm
S key heroes and flamberges are gods gift to crpg! No one cares about a katana when you can have a flamburgler

flameburger*
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: gazda on July 21, 2012, 09:50:02 pm
Quote from: JeanneArc on July 21, 2012, 09:11:09 pm
flameburger*

flehmbchehregaereher*
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: mulas on July 22, 2012, 02:23:09 am
But can a longsword chop wood better than an ax like this katana!!

Watch and quit denying bitches!!   :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHsfGWkO7SM
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Weren on July 22, 2012, 02:33:09 am
But axes are so much more beautiful than that crude excuse of a weapon.  :3
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 22, 2012, 02:48:45 am
Quote from: mulas on July 22, 2012, 02:23:09 am
But can a longsword chop wood better than an ax like this katana!!

yes
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 22, 2012, 04:36:02 am
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Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: polkafranzi on July 22, 2012, 05:00:38 am
Quote from: mulas on July 22, 2012, 02:23:09 am
But can a longsword chop wood better than an ax like this katana!!

Watch and quit denying bitches!!   :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHsfGWkO7SM

Who is this weaboo prick with <20 renown?

is he really asking that I upload a video of myself chopping wood like a baws with a blunt hand-axe?

i will do it!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: Ptolemy on July 22, 2012, 06:20:18 am
I miss having an open fire... there's nothing like sitting in front of it with a big cup of cocoa in the winter, sniffing the scent of gently crackling, dry logs.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Real Katana vs Longsword test.
Post by: dreadnok on July 22, 2012, 07:49:35 am
i noticed with the longsword he was swinging close to the hilt. thats not the sharp part. unless your using it in this game