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Title: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: peter_afca7 on July 17, 2012, 03:45:30 am
Mercs Exploiting to put 8k troops in a castle ?
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: arowaine on July 17, 2012, 03:46:43 am
ho btw to let you know it was hre
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: DeWalker on July 17, 2012, 03:48:16 am
It's just a load of shit that mechanics were abused to ensure a simple siege for a castle, topped off by the NA admins kicking players who were in a reachable place because the mercs couldnt be arsed laddering up to them. Disappointed.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Shik on July 17, 2012, 03:51:11 am
deal with it
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: HardRice on July 17, 2012, 03:51:51 am
Quote from: DeWalker on July 17, 2012, 03:48:16 am
It's just a load of shit that mechanics were abused to ensure a simple siege for a castle, topped off by the NA admins kicking players who were in a reachable place because the mercs couldnt be arsed laddering up to them. Disappointed.


Quote from: Shik on July 17, 2012, 03:51:11 am
deal with it
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Noctivagant on July 17, 2012, 03:54:05 am
I'm waiting someone from HRE or Fallen to tell the story of that castle.

Especially WHEN these stuff was dumped there and WHY
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: rufio on July 17, 2012, 03:55:16 am
nice awnser there shik, very proffesional and so , great representation  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Shemaforash on July 17, 2012, 03:55:57 am
dat developer
Quote from: Shik on July 17, 2012, 03:51:11 am
deal with it
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 17, 2012, 03:56:01 am
Quote from: Shik on July 17, 2012, 03:51:11 am
deal with it
This.

Those troops were put into the castle many months ago to prepare for a Grey invasion that never came. You just happened to deal with the aftermath.

Welcome to Strategus/Online gaming.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on July 17, 2012, 03:56:20 am
To clear things up. These troops were placed in the castle severalmonths ago by HRE. They can confirm this. We did not know for sure what the effect of more troops would have. It could easily havebackfired on us.

Secondly these last roofcampers were wasting equipment, and were on a place we spent half hour to reach. Panos was banned for being last on a place reachable easily by one ladder.

I hope this clears things up, and this wont spiral out of proportion to the usual hate thread.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: rufio on July 17, 2012, 03:57:42 am
no
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: HardRice on July 17, 2012, 03:58:18 am
Quote from: rufio on July 17, 2012, 03:55:16 am
nice awnser there shik, very proffesional and so , great representation  :rolleyes:

Ah, I see your deliberately thought out and very clever response and I raise you this,
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Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on July 17, 2012, 03:58:33 am
Rufio dont be childish. Im dead serious. These threads never lead tosomething nice. Take it up on irc.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Noctivagant on July 17, 2012, 03:58:56 am
And the screenshot of the last guy(s) standing up there
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I leave it to your judgement.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: HarunYahya on July 17, 2012, 04:01:00 am
Quote from: Noctivagant on July 17, 2012, 03:58:56 am
And the screenshot of the last guy(s) standing up there
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I leave it to your judgement.
Man up and put some ladders ?

That battle was just another reason to blanket ban NA , seriously...
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Cyclopsided on July 17, 2012, 04:01:56 am
Hello there! I'm the admin that eventually kicked the three people at the top of the tower after 8 minutes of waiting.
They were delaying with no attempt at retaking flags and the castle. This was obviously against the rules, but due to strat battle and it being reachable by ladders we (admins) decided as a group that the attackers should go and solidify their victory by their own blade with ladders, or catapult bringing the tower down.

This didn't successfully happened and the battle was well decided. By my judgement EVERYONE in the server was leeching (not attempting to catapult/ladder properly, and them not coming down). So I kicked the last three players to end the battle.

As for the story behind the castle itself, already covered in the thread.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 17, 2012, 04:02:33 am
Quote from: koyama on July 17, 2012, 04:01:00 am
Man up and put some ladders ?

That battle was just another reason to blanket ban NA , seriously...

Says the guy who bitched loudly when Archers camped in old cRPG?

"Just grab a ladder mate." Yeah... Funny you never said that before.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: micah243 on July 17, 2012, 04:03:09 am
I really know nothing about what happened but , regardless,  I just had to say that for a developer to respond with "deal with it" is really uncalled for. Don't respond at all as a developer if you don't have anything constructive to add. You guys should hold yourselves to a higher standard than other forum posters. Very unprofessional.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Visconti on July 17, 2012, 04:15:15 am
Quote from: micah243 on July 17, 2012, 04:03:09 am
I really know nothing about what happened but , regardless,  I just had to say that for a developer to respond with "deal with it" is really uncalled for. Don't respond at all as a developer if you don't have anything constructive to add. You guys should hold yourselves to a higher standard than other forum posters. Very unprofessional.

Thats a pretty normal response from the devs in this mod. Sad to say it, but its true
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 04:16:13 am
You guys put the ladders little bit bad position. If you'd put them little closer you would've reached the roof without those 3 even being able to destroy the ladders.


EDIT: Remember that it's Strat. You can't consider leeching to be same in Strat as in lets say Battle. This isn't leeching, they didn't have any range weapon so they had to hide, attackers had ladders so they could've kept going.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Harpag on July 17, 2012, 04:20:55 am
Pumping tickets to the AI castle:
- You save big upkeep costs
- fork and a hat for defenders - catle with big population for free (gold at a constant level)
Great strategy or exploiting?
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Cyclopsided on July 17, 2012, 04:22:28 am
Quote from: Harpag on July 17, 2012, 04:20:55 am
Pumping tickets to the AI castle:
- You save big upkeep costs
- fork and a hat for defenders - catle with big population for free (gold at a constant level)
Great strategy or exploiting?
This would be exploiting if somebody did this on purpose.

Oh, and to anyone wanting to do that on purpose in the future? That's your warning!
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 04:24:53 am
Quote from: Marathon on July 17, 2012, 04:22:28 am
This would be exploiting if somebody did this on purpose.

Oh, and to anyone wanting to do that on purpose in the future? That's your warning!


Oh so they just happened to put over 5k troops in AI Village accidentally?
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: HarunYahya on July 17, 2012, 04:26:01 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on July 17, 2012, 04:02:33 am
Says the guy who bitched loudly when Archers camped in old cRPG?

"Just grab a ladder mate." Yeah... Funny you never said that before.
Strategus and cRPG are two different things.
I retreated my army in Almerra Siege in previous strat because our army ran out of construction sites and ladders , and defenders were STILL DEFENDING instead of charging out , should i ask my admin friends to kick all defenders instead ?

You are just too idiotic to understand the main issue , as always.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Rhaelys on July 17, 2012, 04:26:26 am
EU drama over an NA castle?

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Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Pejlaen on July 17, 2012, 04:31:11 am
Quote from: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 04:24:53 am

Oh so they just happened to put over 5k troops in AI Village accidentally?

Read this thread and you will have your answer.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 04:32:01 am
Tears, you should know that there's a large difference between normal battles/sieges and Strat battles/sieges  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 04:33:15 am
Quote from: Pejlaen on July 17, 2012, 04:31:11 am
Read this thread and you will have your answer.

Read it already man, I'm not just buying it =P
It can be purely just an accident but then again this feels so damn planned XD
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Nessaj on July 17, 2012, 04:33:33 am
You aren't doing your self any favours by making a thread like this Pygar.

Same goes for all Nords who participate in this nonsense, check your facts first.

Regarding people camping in the end when a castle is about to fall, that has been seen countless times, pretty much in 80% of all AI castle/town sieges. When is too much? Well that's up to the admins isn't it? Deal with it suffices, while not elegantly put of course :wink:

You should though elaborate on the castle Shik, just to squash this.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Noctivagant on July 17, 2012, 04:35:53 am
Quote from: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 04:24:53 am

Oh so they just happened to put over 5k troops in AI Village accidentally?

Quote from: Noctivagant on July 17, 2012, 03:54:05 am
I'm waiting someone from HRE or Fallen to tell the story of that castle.

Especially WHEN these stuff was dumped there and WHY

Quote from: Tears of Destiny on July 17, 2012, 03:56:01 am
This.

Those troops were put into the castle many months ago to prepare for a Grey invasion that never came. You just happened to deal with the aftermath.

Welcome to Strategus/Online gaming.

Please read
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: HarunYahya on July 17, 2012, 04:38:49 am
Quote from: Marathon on July 17, 2012, 04:01:56 am
Hello there! I'm the admin that eventually kicked the three people at the top of the tower after 8 minutes of waiting.
They were delaying with no attempt at retaking flags and the castle. This was obviously against the rules, but due to strat battle and it being reachable by ladders we (admins) decided as a group that the attackers should go and solidify their victory by their own blade with ladders, or catapult bringing the tower down.

This didn't successfully happened and the battle was well decided. By my judgement EVERYONE in the server was leeching (not attempting to catapult/ladder properly, and them not coming down). So I kicked the last three players to end the battle.

As for the story behind the castle itself, already covered in the thread.
Ok i'll take my time replying to this.

1)They were delaying with no attempt at retaking flags and the castle
No , attackers were delaying with no attempt to take the castle they attack .
2)This was obviously against the rules
Since when defending a tower in strategus siege is against the rules ?
3) By my judgement EVERYONE in the server was leeching (not attempting to catapult/ladder properly, and them not coming down)
Defenders don't have to charge out or jump down from the castle they defend , within the given time attackers should kill defenders not vice versa.
4)So I kicked the last three players to end the battle.
Bravo , you should have kicked the 50 attackers instead because defending as a defender is not against the rules.

Attackers probably ran out of ladders or were CBA or handicapped to put a proper ladder so you just kicked the remaining defenders and give this castle to Mercs.
Congratulations , totally expected move from an NA admin.
I hope we won't be in same server/strat or any fucking shit again i really am fed up with you guys.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on July 17, 2012, 04:42:04 am
There was no exploiting other than the sky ladders.

I'm not going to express milk from my tits... I mean an opinion about booting the three guys on the tower. What I will say is that it was some impressive shit from the mercs +1 for kicking arse.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: rufio on July 17, 2012, 04:42:28 am
yes the awnser on why the defense was so badly equiped and how all those troops came to be, is there. it has nothing to do with the reasoning behind the kicks thow, and imo that reasoning was very misplaced. ah well tired, gn.
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: Shik on July 17, 2012, 04:50:01 am
1. there is precedent to the kicking: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17415.msg298012.html#msg298012
2. all the spawns were taken already, the game was basically over. attackers running out of ladders and thus being unable to breach the walls can't be compared with all defender spawns already taken, with a few people hiding/delaying. It has long been established that in strat battles delaying and hiding isn't acceptable.
3. The defenders got up there using double ladders in the first place, moreover from the very start of the battle they did not make any attempt to defend the spawns in the castle or fight the enemy in any meaningful way.
4. stop getting mad over something stupid
Title: Re: Mercs exploiting?
Post by: chadz on July 17, 2012, 04:52:43 am
and this is the final statement. stop searching conspiracies everywhere.