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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Leshma on July 11, 2012, 01:41:47 am

Title: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Leshma on July 11, 2012, 01:41:47 am
I've probably started similar or almost the same thread before some time. But bumping it is harder than making a new thread :wink:

Anyways, I'm still having the same dilemma and that is:

Why triple loomed leather armor has +4  modifier while medium and heavy armor have +5?

I've already got one possible answer to that question and that's because it's based on percentage. Makes sense in theory but that's not how things work in cRPG. Light armor is gimped even if you give it +5 modifier.

But if it's percentage based, why heavy armor has only +5 and not +6 modifier?

I'm aware that this is pretty trivial issue and won't make a change ingame but I still would like to hear valid reason why?
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on July 11, 2012, 01:45:13 am
Because it's easier to reinforce plate/mail than leather :--D maybe dunno.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: rufio on July 11, 2012, 01:54:19 am
the stat increases are so insignificant compared to  the time spent to get them its an utter joke imo
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Leshma on July 11, 2012, 01:56:09 am
I just want to see armor having same modifier or being scaled by armor value and that requires buff to heavy armor.

Currently, medium armor seems like the best choice. Giving +2 (gloves+armor combo) to leather or plate will even things a bit.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Arrowblood on July 11, 2012, 02:00:00 am
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lordly +5 bodyarmor and +5footarmor
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The light strange armor is 0,3 heavier and 90g cheaper than the heavy Aketon. And gets 1 body and foot armor more :!:
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Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: TurmoilTom on July 11, 2012, 02:08:26 am
I don't care if my +3 Ragged Outfit and +3 Blue Gambeson are gimped by one armor. That's what the leather gloves are for.  8-)
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Mala on July 11, 2012, 05:41:42 am
Quote from: Leshma on July 11, 2012, 01:41:47 am
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I've already got one possible answer to that question and that's because it's based on percentage. ...

yupp, the percent thing bothers me alot with the retirement system.
weak items will be always weak and the good ones become even better.

heavy armour had a higher bonus in the past, but it was lowered to even things a bit out.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Rhaelys on July 11, 2012, 05:57:05 am
Quote from: Leshma on July 11, 2012, 01:41:47 am
I've probably started similar or almost the same thread before some time. But bumping it is harder than making a new thread :wink:

Anyways, I'm still having the same dilemma and that is:

Why triple loomed leather armor has +4  modifier while medium and heavy armor have +5?

I've already got one possible answer to that question and that's because it's based on percentage. Makes sense in theory but that's not how things work in cRPG. Light armor is gimped even if you give it +5 modifier.

But if it's percentage based, why heavy armor has only +5 and not +6 modifier?

I'm aware that this is pretty trivial issue and won't make a change ingame but I still would like to hear valid reason why?

Heavy armor used to be +7, and light armor +5
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Torost on July 11, 2012, 06:08:37 am
The reason for the gimped low weight heirloomed armor is an elaborate plan to make many small disadvantages for archers the only class that really has to wear light armor or be penalized.

Same thing with Arrows vs Bolt heirlooms, and Crossbow vs Bow heirlooms

Should really be the other way around, bonus to light armor looms, pretty fragile already.

Its a conspiracy!
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Vibe on July 11, 2012, 10:25:54 am
I wouldn't change loom values anymore, was pretty fucking OP having fully loomed armor before the armor loom nerf.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Everkistus on July 11, 2012, 01:11:39 pm
I think Reinforced is good as it is (+4, +4). But it's bad compared to the Lordly Stats, meaning that people are not so likely to heirloom light armor, which decreases diversity and increase the amount of Kuyaks.

My solution would be to give Light Armor a different +3 stats, which would be: +4, +4 and -50 gold reduction to upkeep. Alternatively, they could have a weight decrease on +3 making them also a good heirloom option.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Leshma on July 11, 2012, 02:27:23 pm
That's one way to do it.

Problem is that currently medium armor is simply the best choice and something has to be done about that.

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Heavy armor used to be +7, and light armor +5

Medium armor used to be +7 as well. Was broken then and it's just a little less broken now.

Still want to hear Paul's reasoning.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Vibe on July 11, 2012, 02:33:52 pm
Unrandom the damage and heavy armor should get a nice buff. Not that I think heavy armor actually needs a buff, but unrandomizing the damage atleast a bit would be a welcome change.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Turboflex on July 11, 2012, 05:20:16 pm
I don't get the problem, it makes a lot of sense light armour gets a lesser buff from looming. It's already a lot more cost-effective than heavy armour, changing the loom buff would just make it even more.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Spa_geh_tea on July 11, 2012, 06:35:36 pm
Quote from: Torost on July 11, 2012, 06:08:37 am
The reason for the gimped low weight heirloomed armor is an elaborate plan to make many small disadvantages for archers the only class that really has to wear light armor or be penalized.

Same thing with Arrows vs Bolt heirlooms, and Crossbow vs Bow heirlooms

Should really be the other way around, bonus to light armor looms, pretty fragile already.

Its a conspiracy!

I wear light armor because my shield weighs a metric fuckton. So, to keep up and not get raped from 2h in kuyaks jumping, helicoptering, hiltslashing and backpedlling, jumping, facehug range stabbing pikemen I wear light armor with my 6athletics.
Title: Re: Armor heirloom bonuses
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2012, 06:46:21 pm
In my opinion armor heirloom should be:
+4 for cloth armor
+5 for medium/light armor
+6 for heavy/plate armor