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Title: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MyBallsYourChin on July 09, 2012, 12:22:21 pm
This came up during the Troyicide thread and simply can't be ignored, especially when an admin seems to be involved.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35525.30.html

The exchange is begun by Goretooth a few pages before and this evidence, which can be seen, was posted on page three.

What the fuck?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Blackzilla on July 09, 2012, 12:43:47 pm
Roymorrison doesnt give two shits about Crpg.
Badplayer, is just bad.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: a_bear_irl on July 09, 2012, 12:51:30 pm
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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Radament on July 09, 2012, 01:47:53 pm
one day i sold my Masterwork German Greatsword for a Midget Gangbang Party , dunno if this count.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MyBallsYourChin on July 09, 2012, 03:54:40 pm
It continues to baffle me why these forums aren't moderated at all.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Oberyn on July 09, 2012, 04:23:46 pm
Some russian warband forum had threads about selling heirlooms as well, none of the people involved have ever had any repercussions beyond "don't do it again" afaik. As long as it is not publically organized I don't think the devs give a shit.
My favorite pet conspiracy is that chadz is getting a cut out of all the trades. Maybe cmp too. Probably getting paid in blow and hookers, their preferred currencies. 
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MyBallsYourChin on July 09, 2012, 04:50:56 pm
The only difference between this and that, is this directly involves an admin. 
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Ad1no on July 09, 2012, 04:57:42 pm
who cares? I can't believe you made a thread about this

huge bundle of sticks
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 05:39:19 pm
IMO

Selling an account is one thing, because that means someone will pay a player $$ they would have spent buying the game from Taleworlds/Steam.

Selling cRPG items on the other hand... I mean, chadz & Co isn't out money & neither is Taleworlds.


Serious question: who is being hurt by these transactions?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Christo on July 09, 2012, 05:41:29 pm
Quote from: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 05:39:19 pm
Serious question: who is being hurt by these transactions?

cRPG Economy, The mod's reputation, for an example.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 09, 2012, 05:42:38 pm
Someone sold (what I'm assuming is a +3 heirloom) for 50 or 75 US dollars?  So they spent probably 100+ hours to make 50 bucks.  What a horrible deal.  They must be seriously hurting for money, I say no harm done. 

Also, they are asking to be scammed (or possibly scamming themselves), I'd be sketchy of something like that.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Miwiw on July 09, 2012, 05:44:51 pm
Quote from: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 05:39:19 pm



Serious question: who is being hurt by these transactions?

Besides what Christo said, it is also not allowed as the devs of mods arent allowed to make money by the game. They don't do it directly of course if players sell items to each other but it still looks reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bad for everyone. It is something developers shouldn't ever allow.

BAN!
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 05:53:50 pm
Quote from: Christo on July 09, 2012, 05:41:29 pm
cRPG Economy, The mod's reputation, for an example.

I think the economy would be more damaged if I simply quit the game and hoarded my gold/heirlooms/heirloom points instead of leaving them in the system as if I was still playing.

Regarding the mod's reputation, can you explain? People have already bought dummy accounts for strat & bought new accounts after being banned on one of them; I hardly see how buying & selling cRPG items for real money is anything new/worse that what we've already had.

Quote from: Miwiw99 on July 09, 2012, 05:44:51 pm
Besides what Christo said, it is also not allowed as the devs of mods arent allowed to make money by the game. They don't do it directly of course if players sell items to each other but it still looks reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bad for everyone. It is something developers shouldn't ever allow.

BAN!

Well the devs aren't (directly) making money off of this mod but I don't see what that has to do with this, since devs allegedly :D wouldn't be making money off of item transactions either since they are done between buyer & seller.

Also I don't see how the mod looks really bad if this happens either: paying real money for in game advantages has been a gaming business model for a long time now.  I would never pay for such advantages, but I don't see how that could cripple the game.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Miwiw on July 09, 2012, 06:00:19 pm
Including real money in a free mod for an already paid game, is simply bad. Not sure why you don't understand it. In any other serious game you cannot buy game accounts neither ingame stuff from other players. That would simply be an idiotic idea.
If the crpg devs allowed that, I'd directly quit the game as I wouldn't want to be in touch with something like that.
Players using real life money to put into a game and gaining advantage over other people, is just a bad idea (it doesn't matter how much the difference is after all).
It is indeed forbidden to gain money with warband, crpg devs wouldnt do it but alone the fact to tolerate it, is a rule violation.

That is also why paying the servers is a donation and nothing else.

And what is wrong about buying new accounts after being banned? If the crpg devs tolerate that, there is nothing wrong about it. At the same time a new warband copy is sold.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: mammoni on July 09, 2012, 06:11:18 pm
Quote from: Miwiw99 on July 09, 2012, 06:00:19 pm
It is indeed forbidden to gain money with warband, crpg devs wouldnt do it but alone the fact to tolerate it, is a rule violation.

Do you have facts to back that statement?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Miwiw on July 09, 2012, 06:27:35 pm
Oh god, that would take some time to find that. I've read it once (official statement) though, but cannot tell you where in this very second.

But that is actually common sense. Should be somewhere in the "Terms and Conditions" afaik when buying from taleworlds.com.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Kreczor on July 09, 2012, 06:27:54 pm
Quote from: MyBallsYourChin on July 09, 2012, 12:22:21 pm
This came up during the Troyicide thread and simply can't be ignored, especially when an admin seems to be involved.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35525.30.html

The exchange is begun by Goretooth a few pages before and this evidence, which can be seen, was posted on page three.

What the fuck?

Smoothrich had absolutely nothing to do with the transactions. He was not involved in any way shape or form besides being a member of the same community. Don't be so quick to judge.

e: It's like saying you should be banned from c-rpg because troyicide hacked in dayz. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: mammoni on July 09, 2012, 06:30:57 pm
Quote from: Miwiw99 on July 09, 2012, 06:27:35 pm
But that is actually common sense. Should be somewhere in the "Terms and Conditions" afaik when buying from taleworlds.com.

Stuff like this is never common sense. It only and solely depends on terms and conditions, and if those do not exist, it depends on the law of the country of the customer. Both are far from common sense :D
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Lichen on July 09, 2012, 06:37:33 pm
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Heirlooms being sold for money
who cares

Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 06:42:59 pm
Quote from: Miwiw99 on July 09, 2012, 06:00:19 pm
In any other serious game you cannot buy game accounts neither ingame stuff from other players. That would simply be an idiotic idea.
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I'd say it's probably working out for these guys.
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If the crpg devs allowed that, I'd directly quit the game as I wouldn't want to be in touch with something like that.
Players using real life money to put into a game and gaining advantage over other people, is just a bad idea (it doesn't matter how much the difference is after all).
Players have been using real life money to gain advantage over other people since the dawn of time.  Strategy guides, unlock-able content, monthly subscription fees, what are all these things if not areas for a player to spend money to gain an advantage?

I agree that I as a player don't enjoy these systems, but companies seem to enjoy it.  And it's big business.
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It is indeed forbidden to gain money with warband, crpg devs wouldnt do it but alone the fact to tolerate it, is a rule violation.

That is also why paying the servers is a donation and nothing else.
Indirectly, chadz & co could theoretically profit quite a bit from cRPG.  Forum ads for starters to pay for the site, & then when you think about the new Project Asinus that chadz is making/the exposure the guys could be getting from displaying their good work etc...

I don't for a second think the cRPG mod was created for these purposes (nor is very profitable at all in it's current incarnation) but I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture.

I still don't think you've shown what is so horrible about players selling items to one another, even though you keep saying it is.  Suppose that I decided to quit, and sold my items for $100.  My items remain in the system (given to someone else), I stop playing, and they continue playing.   

Who has been hurt? 
Not taleworlds, I bought my game and the other dude bought theirs
Not cRPG, they don't sell items so nothing was gained/lost
Not me, I woulda quit for nothing, now I quit for $100
Not the buyer, they were willing to spend $100 for my items


For the record, I would never buy items with real money, nor am I a fan of people getting an in-game advantage because they have the cash to burn.   But the system isn't a new one, and outside my personal preferences I don't see what the big fucking deal is.

I should also add I do NOT think that the devs should implement a system that would make it easier to buy & sell items for real money, but I don't think they need to actively try and police it either. 
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Leshma on July 09, 2012, 06:52:51 pm
It's against the rules. You'll be banned if they catch you.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 06:59:26 pm
Quote from: Leshma on July 09, 2012, 06:52:51 pm
It's against the rules. You'll be banned if they catch you.
I know that.  I'm wondering why.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Leshma on July 09, 2012, 07:01:37 pm
Who cares. It's not like you can change that.

Btw. I can't sell my looms for money because I don't have paypal account :lol:
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Miwiw on July 09, 2012, 07:02:44 pm
Diablo 3 as example; that's a joke is it?

Subscriptions and monthly fees are not that kind of problem. That is official. Related to the Terms and Conditions when you buy Warband on Taleworlds.com you are not even allowed to copy or sale your warband license (and more), unless otherwise stated in the EULA (which is not afaik, but nvm now).

Well, this forum has hardly anything to do with the mod itself. There's a difference in running a forum (where no one has to register) and the sale of the GAME ITSELF (if you sell the mod you "sell the game"), you get money which is actually meant for Taleworlds, the developers of Warband who created this game. By simply copying the game and adding a few contents, it isnt a new game. The modders do not own the game therefore and they cannot ask for money.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Grumbs on July 09, 2012, 07:03:28 pm
I'm glad people don't play the game with the intention of making real money, you would get more leachers, people trying to dupe, scam, exploit, be wary of wearing expensive stuff etc.

Best to keep real money out of it so people play the game as its intended and have fun
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 07:11:26 pm
Well, there was the bit that you can't make money with a mod for Warband, as it is in any other game. Mods going commercial do so in agreement with the publishers of the original game. If people start trading stuff for real money here, that does involve, even if indirectly, the devs. And that is where all the legal stuff starts. Noone wants to go there. :wink:
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 07:21:35 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 07:11:26 pm
Well, there was the bit that you can't make money with a mod for Warband, as it is in any other game. Mods going commercial do so in agreement with the publishers of the original game. If people start trading stuff for real money here, that does involve, even if indirectly, the devs. And that is where all the legal stuff starts. Noone wants to go there. :wink:

..and the reason the legal stuff starts is because the maker of the game suddenly finds out there is unrealized potential to making more profit off of something.   It's not that they are upset people are making money, they're just upset because it isn't them making the money.

but yes that's a good enough reason as any.  As usual the man's keeping us down etc.

Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 07:25:14 pm
The thing was most people "involved" were LLJK players.  EyeBeat was former LLJK but hates them all now and wanted to use people posting on somethingawful who were merely discussing buying/selling looms, like this thread now, he got them all banned by Meow as revenge on LLJK.

Everyone he got globally banned for heirloom trading actually didn't do it at all, and I yelled at the head admins until they actually investigated marketplace trades and realized I was right, and EyeBeat was just wrong.

Eventually, I guess a few people went on to sell their looms anyways before quitting the game or getting themselves banned.  Badplayer for example, is permabanned (he made our faction's banner be an irl picture of Tears of Destiny).  I don't know about Roy.  I'm not in contact with PRO players anymore so I have no idea who or when any of them sold heirlooms or if they even did.

And yes, many months ago someone found russian language forums where they openly traded looms for rubles, brought it to the dev attention, and they merely recieved a slap on the wrist and told "don't do it again!" while the loom for ruble forums never shut down.  And when a mad, former LLJK out for revenge does some Salem Witch Trial shit with baseless accusations, it was funny to me that they got instantly permabanned.  Eyebeat bragged about this on several other message boards, revealing an insane, neurotic, and meticulous need for revenge on everyone who once belonged to LLJK.

So, that is the extent of my involvement. Me and the people who posted evidence of selling looms all paid 10 dollars several years ago to post on an internet forum.  And at least 6 or more players who never sold looms, Eyebeat managed to get globally banned just because he was mad we stopped using his Teamspeak.

I hope this stops any notion, cRPG user "MyBallsYourChin" that you are uncovering some scandal that goes to the top, an Heirloomgate if you will.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Rumblood on July 09, 2012, 07:27:13 pm
Quote from: MyBallsYourChin on July 09, 2012, 04:50:56 pm
The only difference between this and that, is this directly involves an admin.

Select the correct statement:

All Admins are Developers.

All Developers are Admins.

Only one of them is able to make changes to the games code and database.

When you figure it out, you'll figure out why the hair you think you are splitting is in fact bald.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: dynamike on July 09, 2012, 07:29:39 pm
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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Kerrigan on July 09, 2012, 07:31:00 pm
Anyone interested in a +3 ducdu?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: justjr on July 09, 2012, 07:44:39 pm
Dynamike.. you so cheap.

Quote from: dynamike on July 09, 2012, 07:29:39 pm
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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Darkkarma on July 09, 2012, 07:50:00 pm
In this episode of American greed...

 A cRPG official is involved in a scandalous affair  involving transactions of real money for in-game currency and items. Smoothrich, one of the most controversial admins in one of the shittiest mod communities in recent times is accused of withholding information that may or may not reveal the identities of those involved in presumably one of the most organized underground trading rings in cRPG history. Join us tonight as we examine the tangled web of lies, baseless assumptions and petty grudges behind an incident that nearly brought an entire community of under 500 active NA players to it's knees.


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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 09, 2012, 07:50:25 pm
why would you pay money to post on an internet forum  :lol:

At least it was only a one time fee, can't believe those "total fark" tools that pay $6 a month to comment on news stories.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: SHinOCk on July 09, 2012, 08:10:11 pm
If it doesn't affect the players in game whats the matter... I personally don't give a fuck about things like that cause its their items and account so please stop being jealous pricks and mind your own business, hell.. spend 50$ and buy one yourself if you're hurting so much for an easy loom
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MyBallsYourChin on July 09, 2012, 08:12:53 pm
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I hope this stops any notion, cRPG user "MyBallsYourChin" that you are uncovering some scandal that goes to the top, an Heirloomgate if you will.

Actually, Smooth, I never directly accused you or anyone else.  All I wanted was some sort of explanation and I've got one now. 

Thanks.

As for ad1no, no u r.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Penitent on July 09, 2012, 08:41:41 pm
Buying looms or not, whether you think its a good idea or not, doesn't matter. 
Breaking the rules (clearly stated) matters. 

So either change the rule or punish the lawbreakers!

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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Suuper3 on July 09, 2012, 08:46:20 pm
Dang guys yall need to take a chill pill woop de doo people buying loom points and stuff with realz money yes it is against the rules but if its not actually affecting anyone then whatever just play the damn game
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 08:52:02 pm
Quote from: Suuper3 on July 09, 2012, 08:46:20 pm
Dang guys yall need to take a chill pill woop de doo people buying loom points and stuff with realz money yes it is against the rules but if its not actually affecting anyone then whatever just play the damn game
It is affecting someone. Devs could theoretically get in actual, real-life trouble for this, if it gets out of hand.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Penitent on July 09, 2012, 08:53:08 pm
Quote from: Suuper3 on July 09, 2012, 08:46:20 pm
Dang guys yall need to take a chill pill woop de doo people buying loom points and stuff with realz money yes it is against the rules but if its not actually affecting anyone then whatever just play the damn game

Oh, it affects people.  We'll learn how in detail when the guilty party is forced to write an unban essay "How breaking the rules and buying items with real money hurts the community."

1.) Rules are disrespected without punishment.  Well what about all the other rules then?  I guess we don't have to take them so seriously.  Some are enforced and some aren't.  Might as well break the ones we can get away with!  This is bad for the community.

2.) People work to get items.  It's fair because everyone else obeys the rules and has to play the same amount to get looms.  Why should some guy with too much money and no respect for authority spend $ get to "get ahead" without going through the same steps as everyone else?  It's not fair.  Games have to be fair to stay fun.  If its not fun, people will stop playing.  This hurts the community.

So my previous statement stands.  Punish the criminal or change the rules so everyone can do it!
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Ad1no on July 09, 2012, 08:53:27 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 08:52:02 pm
It is affecting someone. Devs could theoretically get in actual, real-life trouble for this, if it gets out of hand.

Lies. If anything they would get in trouble for donations.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Leshma on July 09, 2012, 08:56:43 pm
It's not affecting you until chadz finds out and ban your ass.

So far, NA and Russians were caught doing this. That's not surprising. Game is turkish (mos americans have no idea where that is) and people who aren't living in Europe don't give a shit about Warband EULA or the fact that Donkey crew might have problems because of them.

If game was made by american company with the same EULA, you wouldn't try justify those who trade in game items for real money.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Miwiw on July 09, 2012, 08:58:59 pm
+1 Leshma.

@Ad1no:

The donations are allowed. They are only for the servers as stated. That was never and will never be a problem or not allowed. But once there is any other money involved, it's over and illegal.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Dexxtaa on July 09, 2012, 09:04:04 pm
Quote from: dynamike on July 09, 2012, 07:29:39 pm
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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Suuper3 on July 09, 2012, 09:04:38 pm
Quote from: Garison on July 09, 2012, 08:53:08 pm
Oh, it affects people.  We'll learn how in detail when the guilty party is forced to write an unban essay "How breaking the rules and buying items with real money hurts the community."

1.) Rules are disrespected without punishment.  Well what about all the other rules then?  I guess we don't have to take them so seriously.  Some are enforced and some aren't.  Might as well break the ones we can get away with!  This is bad for the community.

2.) People work to get items.  It's fair because everyone else obeys the rules and has to play the same amount to get looms.  Why should some guy with too much money and no respect for authority spend $ get to "get ahead" without going through the same steps as everyone else?  It's not fair.  Games have to be fair to stay fun.  If its not fun, people will stop playing.  This hurts the community.

So my previous statement stands.  Punish the criminal or change the rules so everyone can do it!


Well the community is still alive and kickin and i dont think it is going to die from people buying stupid loom points but  yes rules should be enforced id rather an admin use his time trying to root out hackers and shit then worry about a bunch of people buying looms
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Rumblood on July 09, 2012, 09:07:29 pm
Don't give up Miwi! You may actually get c-RPG to single-handedly eliminate Gold farmers and that hated Freemium Gaming model!
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: dynamike on July 09, 2012, 09:14:17 pm
Quote from: Dexxtaa on July 09, 2012, 09:04:04 pm
Have you seen Dynamike IRL. 50 dollar is a steal.

You'll change your mind on that when I make you swipe your credit card through my crack  :twisted:
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on July 09, 2012, 09:18:26 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on July 09, 2012, 05:42:38 pm
Someone sold (what I'm assuming is a +3 heirloom) for 50 or 75 US dollars?  So they spent probably 100+ hours to make 50 bucks.  What a horrible deal.  They must be seriously hurting for money, I say no harm done. 

Also, they are asking to be scammed (or possibly scamming themselves), I'd be sketchy of something like that.

Ya if they are so desperate for money that they sold their heirlooms that took forever to get for just 50 bucks, then i think we should consider the fact that they are probably sucking off old men at retirement homes for a shiny dime and some butterscotch candies. I think that is punishment enough.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Meow on July 09, 2012, 09:27:01 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 07:25:14 pm
I yelled at the head admins until they actually investigated marketplace trades and realized I was right, and EyeBeat was just wrong.

Wrong.
You assumed some bs and went mad at me.
Bans and unbans happened without you being involved at all, still you failed to report the stuff yourself especially those trades you actually knew about way before Eyebeat brought it up.

No idea why you are still an admin but I stopped caring.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Turboflex on July 09, 2012, 09:28:38 pm
just to clarify this isn't NA drama its LLJK drama.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 09:36:40 pm
Quote from: Lemmy_Winks on July 09, 2012, 09:18:26 pm
Ya if they are so desperate for money that they sold their heirlooms that took forever to get for just 50 bucks, then i think we should consider the fact that they are probably sucking off old men at retirement homes for a shiny dime and some butterscotch candies. I think that is punishment enough.

If you're going to stop playing a game anyways, would you rather have $50 or would you rather have $0?  Obviously if you were trying to play cRPG "for profit" you're a fool who is making slave's wages, but of course almost everyone playing cRPG is playing for fun, so $50 to cap it off would just be gravy.

ANYWAYS
PTX did bring up a good point: it is in the interest of the devs to stop this behavior because they could get in legal trouble.

And why is that?
Because they signed an agreement saying money wouldn't be directly made of the game (I'm assuming)

And why would the signed agreement say that?
Because Taleworlds doesn't want to see their product making money they wouldn't be able to get ahold of.

The sad part of all of this is Taleworlds/pretty much any gaming company ever would rather see no money being made than money they can't get.  If they could have predicted that a different venue of cash could have come out of their game via a mod that had items that people were willing to pay for, I wouldn't be surprised if it WAS allowable assuming Taleworlds could have funneled a bit off the top.  But in the interest of catching contingencies it sounds like that's not going to be possible for anyone.

So TLDR it's against the rules to sell items because 'bitches want richesTM'.

E: Dammit, apparently 'bitches want riches' was a phrase some asshole named Lil Boosie made up before me :(



Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 09:41:13 pm
Naw, it's the same way you wouldn't want someone to exploit (make a movie, make a game, etc) a book you've written and have simply sold a copy of, without getting your fair share.
You silly commie. :rolleyes:
Basically, anything that involves RL money is touchy ground.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 09:41:17 pm
Quote from: Meow on July 09, 2012, 09:27:01 pm
Wrong.
You assumed some bs and went mad at me.
Bans and unbans happened without you being involved at all, still you failed to report the stuff yourself especially those trades you actually knew about way before Eyebeat brought it up.

No idea why you are still an admin but I stopped caring.

Meow just admit you are a creepy biased little shit who's gone out of his way to grief LLJK with admin powers any chance you get, if you weren't too busy torturing younger players like Ricky with sadistic toying of his account rights by telling him you were always JUST about to unban him until he did something wrong, and to teach him a lesson you would keep him banned for months longer.  And if you weren't too busy with that, you were trying to get underage females of the cRPG community to fly to europe to stay with you so you could get them drunk and fuck them  :oops:

creep!
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Meow on July 09, 2012, 09:45:35 pm
You got me.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: dynamike on July 09, 2012, 09:47:29 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 09:41:17 pm
Meow just admit you are a creepy biased little shit who's gone out of his way to grief LLJK with admin powers any chance you get, if you weren't too busy torturing younger players like Ricky with sadistic toying of his account rights by telling him you were always JUST about to unban him until he did something wrong, and to teach him a lesson you would keep him banned for months longer.  And if you weren't too busy with that, you were trying to get underage females of the cRPG community to fly to europe to stay with you so you could get them drunk and fuck them  :oops:

creep!

Low, Smooth!
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Christo on July 09, 2012, 09:49:17 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 09:41:17 pm
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Why is he an admin?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 09:54:04 pm
Just like an admin has the obligation to bring attention to people buying looms for real money, they have the obligation to expose sexual predators and pedophiles in the system for the good of the community.  If someone doesn't blow the whistle on Meow being literally a pedophile who I have logs of begging younger females from the game that he'd pay for their airplane ticket to be molested by him, we'd have another Penn State/Jerry Sandusky situation at hand.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 09:57:28 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 09:41:13 pm
Naw, it's the same way you wouldn't want someone to exploit (make a movie, make a game, etc) a book you've written and have simply sold a copy of, without getting your fair share.
You silly commie. :rolleyes:
Basically, anything that involves RL money is touchy ground.

Meh, but you also have to respect the work put into it; it's not like someone is completely reselling work done - obviously cRPG has a lot of changes from Native, and a lot of man-hours were also put into it.  Personally I'd rather have someone make my book into a game and give me SOMETHING since they broke off from my core work, than to simply say NO NO ONE CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS BUT MEEE

I suppose at this point though it doesn't really matter - the rule is in place and it is what it is.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Elindor on July 09, 2012, 10:01:47 pm
Just want to state again that this is - NOT - NA drama :)

Not sure what kind of drama it is exactly....
I'm scared.   :?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: [ptx] on July 09, 2012, 10:02:10 pm
Quote from: MrShine on July 09, 2012, 09:57:28 pm
Meh, but you also have to respect the work put into it; it's not like someone is completely reselling work done - obviously cRPG has a lot of changes from Native, and a lot of man-hours were also put into it.  Personally I'd rather have someone make my book into a game and give me SOMETHING since they broke off from my core work, than to simply say NO NO ONE CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS BUT MEEE

I suppose at this point though it doesn't really matter - the rule is in place and it is what it is.
You can make someone's book into a game and give them something... if you reach an agreement with them. See Napoleonic Wars, With Fire & Sword and whatever is that Caribbean game that's coming up called.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Leshma on July 09, 2012, 10:06:47 pm
Quote from: Lemmy_Winks on July 09, 2012, 09:18:26 pm
Ya if they are so desperate for money that they sold their heirlooms that took forever to get for just 50 bucks, then i think we should consider the fact that they are probably sucking off old men at retirement homes for a shiny dime and some butterscotch candies. I think that is punishment enough.

In some countries 50 bucks is a lot of money :wink:
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: EyeBeat on July 09, 2012, 10:42:53 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 07:25:14 pm
The thing was most people "involved" were LLJK players.  EyeBeat was former LLJK but hates them all now and wanted to use people posting on somethingawful who were merely discussing buying/selling looms, like this thread now, he got them all banned by Meow as revenge on LLJK.

I do not hate all LLJK.  I still talk to a bunch of LLJK and keep up with them.  Personally I donated a lot of money to chadz and it annoyed me that some of you were discussing selling looms AND SELLING HEIRLOOMS FOR REAL MONEY.  So reported all of you since it was against the rules.  That is what an admin does.  You would never do that and like Meow I have no idea why you have admin. You can give two shits about the community and the only reason you still have it is because of Shik.

Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 07:25:14 pm
Everyone he got globally banned for heirloom trading actually didn't do it at all, and I yelled at the head admins until they actually investigated marketplace trades and realized I was right, and EyeBeat was just wrong.

Yes they did as you can see by those screen shots I posted here.  http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35525.msg538604.html#msg538604

Smoothrich still knows the names of the people that bought the heirlooms.  There is a reason why many people despise Smoothrich.  He is two faced and does not care about this community at all. He is all about personal gain and fucking people over.  Ask goretooth or zealot.  We do not need someone like him as an admin.

Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 10:43:49 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat
Meh... I figured I screwed up buying a TS for a year without thinking what could of happened. My fault. That one was on me. There was no way I could make them lose the same amount of money I invested. Oh well at least I have admin on the games servers to fall back on.

Then the same idiots decided to post on something awful about buying and selling looms. They were talking about how they could possibly get 50 to 80 dollars a loom point. Most players have 4 to 5 looms so you do the math. I made out like a bandit!

I looked at it and smiled as I screenshotted it. Posted it to the admins of CRPG. Got them all banned... all of them(the shit heads(yes goresaw is a shit head(because he wears jorts))).

I went fuck goons and it felt so good. :)
 PS. Revenge feels fucking awesome!"


Your words in PM to an LLJK player on another forum.  You're a snitch because it was "against the rules" lol

Also those people posted didn't sell heirlooms until after they were unbanned following your false accusations.  I'm not even sure who bought them either.  Not like it matters, I reported Tugboat_KUTT for spending over a thousand dollars to buy heirlooms and he was unbanned within 12 hours or less.  LLJK people who actually didn't spend anything at all were banned for longer.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Molly on July 09, 2012, 10:51:05 pm
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 :mrgreen:

Can't tell you how happy I am to be on the EU-side of cRPG...

...probably cuz I imagine the common NA-player/admin like this:
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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: EyeBeat on July 09, 2012, 10:51:09 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 10:43:49 pm
Your words in PM to an LLJK player on another forum.  You're a snitch because it was "against the rules" lol

Also those people posted didn't sell heirlooms until after they were unbanned following your false accusations.  I'm not even sure who bought them either.  Not like it matters, I reported Tugboat_KUTT for spending over a thousand dollars to buy heirlooms and he was unbanned within 12 hours or less.  LLJK people who actually didn't spend anything at all were banned for longer.

I did post that correct.

But honestly it was to piss you guys off and make you guys rage.

chadz should crack down hard on people buying heirlooms for real money because it takes away any reason for people to donate to the mod.  Why donate lets say a 100 dollars when you can get heirlooms instead?

BTW the TS was a good investment because the people that populate it now(menstraul monsoon) are way the hell cooler than all of the LLJK guys.

The only uncool person on it is me.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Darkkarma on July 09, 2012, 10:53:45 pm
Quote from: benkei on July 09, 2012, 10:51:05 pm
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 :mrgreen:

Can't tell you how happy I am to be on the EU-side of cRPG...

...probably cuz I imagine the common NA-player/admin like this:
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You're the one with a dick flopping stick figure avatar.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: LordBerenger on July 09, 2012, 10:53:46 pm
I miss when there were more goons active.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: TurmoilTom on July 09, 2012, 10:54:47 pm
So, in conclusion... Smoothrich doesn't give a shit and EyeBeat is a snitch who likes trolling the Goons? Ok, now that that's straightened out...

I'm going to Burger King, want me to pick up anything for you guys?

Also...
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Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Kreczor on July 09, 2012, 11:02:18 pm
I'm still active...
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: LordBerenger on July 09, 2012, 11:02:34 pm
Quote from: TurmoilTom on July 09, 2012, 10:54:47 pm
So, in conclusion... Smoothrich doesn't give a shit and EyeBeat is a snitch who likes trolling the Goons? Ok, now that that's straightened out...

I'm going to Burger King, want me to pick up anything for you guys?

Also...
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Burger King.......good thing i ate there today otherwise i would've been on to you and the smell of those burgers like a dog.

Quote from: Kreczor on July 09, 2012, 11:02:18 pm
I'm still active...

And i love you for that.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Tagora on July 09, 2012, 11:04:28 pm
So....

I've got China on the other line...I'm bidding for a labor contract farming heirlooms.  Wassup cRPG?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Kafein on July 09, 2012, 11:14:14 pm
Tbh, looms require so much time, a western person selling them for money is probably working for less than the minimum wage in his country.

Maybe it's borderline profitable for chinese prisons, but even then there are plenty of MMO's with people that pay more to get stuff.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 11:14:54 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on July 09, 2012, 10:51:09 pm
I did post that correct.

But honestly it was to piss you guys off and make you guys rage.


It was on a private Darkfall forum, that only Goresaw and you had access too, so I seriously doubt it was anything but a manic rant on your ill intentions and use of admin privelege to fulfill vendettas.  It also confirms a complete lack of impartialness or a caring for the rules except as a cover of your Need For Revenge.

I also don't appreciate Meow chiming in to say it is me who is biased and blankly asking "why am I stil admin?" but if you know calling Meow out on his hypocritical shit is going too far with EU overlords, so be it.

Also, lol @ me caring about personal gain.  What gain is there to be had in a free mod for Warband?
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Wiltzu on July 09, 2012, 11:17:38 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 09, 2012, 10:01:47 pm
Just want to state again that this is - NOT - NA drama :)

Not sure what kind of drama it is exactly....
I'm scared.   :?

Admin drama =P

And for smoothrich:
Quote from: Meow on July 09, 2012, 09:27:01 pm
No idea why you are still an admin but I stopped caring.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Spleen on July 09, 2012, 11:28:01 pm
Smooth got it all wrong...

Glaurung is our dedicated Pedophile, Meow is just a Misogynist...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Molly on July 09, 2012, 11:29:00 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 09:54:04 pm
Just like an admin has the obligation to bring attention to people buying looms for real money, they have the obligation to expose sexual predators and pedophiles in the system for the good of the community.  If someone doesn't blow the whistle on Meow being literally a pedophile who I have logs of begging younger females from the game that he'd pay for their airplane ticket to be molested by him, we'd have another Penn State/Jerry Sandusky situation at hand.
Am I the only one who read this and was like "WTF?!"

Honestly... everybody else would just get muted for this. Why not this attention whoring bastard?

Just wondering...

...on the other hand
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Meow is probably several ranks higher up than Pooprich - he can take care of "it" by himself, I guess.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: EyeBeat on July 09, 2012, 11:29:03 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 09, 2012, 11:14:54 pm
I seriously doubt it was anything but a manic rant on your ill intentions and use of admin privelege to fulfill vendettas.

I never used any of my admin powers.  All I did was report it to the devs.

You lobbied them to all get unbanned.  When they got unbanned... we got  2 people with hard evidence proof of selling their heirlooms for real money which is against the rules.

Basically I as an admin reported people before they were going to sell for real money.  They got temp banned.  You lobbied for them to get unbanned so they could sell their heirlooms.

You knew about this the whole time and did nothing.  You are a bad admin.  You can care less.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: Ad1no on July 09, 2012, 11:29:24 pm
EYEBEAT IS A SNITCH

ANYONE WHO'S FRIENDS WITH HIM SHOULD BE SHUNNED

Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: robert_namo on July 09, 2012, 11:34:07 pm
cRPG should have some micotransaction item mall like all other free to play. 99 cents for 9999g, 1.99 for 19999 and so on. Only 5% of the population might take advantage of this, but really money doesn't make you better, nor heirlooms.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: EyeBeat on July 09, 2012, 11:36:14 pm
Quote from: robert_namo on July 09, 2012, 11:34:07 pm
cRPG should have some micotransaction item mall like all other free to play. 99 cents for 9999g, 1.99 for 19999 and so on. Only 5% of the population might take advantage of this, but really money doesn't make you better, nor heirlooms.

I am not against something like this.

But letting people sell heirlooms to other people is kind of a slap in the face to people that actually donated money to the devs.
Title: Re: Heirlooms being sold for money
Post by: cmp on July 09, 2012, 11:37:51 pm
Is it allowed? No.
Do we have any control about what happens outside of this forum? No, and we sure as fuck won't waste our time chasing people who do it.

We've had enough of the drama, next one who brings this up by accusing people, posting screenshots or something like that gets muted.