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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Ptolemy on July 08, 2012, 07:40:44 am

Title: Makibishi
Post by: Ptolemy on July 08, 2012, 07:40:44 am
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I don't have a model for it and I don't expect it to be added, but I long to hear the crying of people chasing me as they run over my ninja landmines and get themselves killed  :twisted:

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Makibishi (igadama), sharp spiked objects that were used in feudal Japan to slow down pursuers and also were used in the defense of samurai fortifications. Makibashi were one of the items supposedly used by ninja. Iron makibishi were called tetsubishi while the makibishi made from the dried seed pod of the water chestnut formed a natural type of makibashi called tennenbishi. Both types of makibishi could penetrate the thin soles of the shoes such as the waraji sandals that were commonly worn in feudal Japan when the makibashi was dropped on the ground or planted in advance. Makibishi could be carried in a bag attached to a belt along with other commonly carried weapons and/or tools such as shuriken and kaginawa. Makibashi could be thrown like a shuriken and could also be used against a enemy on horseback
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Zerran on July 08, 2012, 08:58:26 am
While I like the idea of more utility items, I don't see any way to balance these. The only things I see coming out of this is whine about unblockable damage, tons and tons of friendly fire from careless players, and a massive buff to runners.  :|
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Vkvkvk on July 08, 2012, 09:09:03 am
While I like the idea of more utility items, I don't see any way to balance these. The only things I see coming out of this is whine about unblockable damage, tons and tons of friendly fire from careless players, and a massive buff to runners.  :|

Make it so it only slows down instead of do damage, uless thrown.

Would be fun to create chokepoints and shape the battlefield around, but then you couldn't really explain dried seed pods penetrating mail/iron/plate boots.
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on July 08, 2012, 09:43:49 am
Maybe a bucket of tar instead?
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Ptolemy on July 08, 2012, 12:09:48 pm
While I like the idea of more utility items, I don't see any way to balance these. The only things I see coming out of this is whine about unblockable damage, tons and tons of friendly fire from careless players, and a massive buff to runners.  :|

That's why I don't expect to see it added, I fully admit they would buff kiting - although maybe less so for archers if they were a slot item - with a choice between less arrows or more arrows, I think we know what they'd go for.

but then you couldn't really explain dried seed pods penetrating mail/iron/plate boots.

You could explain metal spike balls though (as the image shows).
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 08, 2012, 12:22:45 pm
add this

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Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on July 08, 2012, 07:36:40 pm
A thermal detonator eh?

Why not make them do damage to horses, they're very similar to caltrops.
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Torost on July 09, 2012, 09:44:50 pm
I have been waiting for Caltrops for a long time..  they are anticav measures.. and fit neatly with the theme..
You could make them so that they can be easily cleared, by just picking them up..
Small dmg to foot, and a small stun/slowdown.
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Ujio on July 10, 2012, 08:38:55 pm
Is this more Shuriken? Or like Medieval tyre spikes, except without the tyres (Maybe for horses)

And why should we consider adding a Thermal detonator. Oh wait, because you're holding a Thermal detonator...
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 10, 2012, 08:50:42 pm
I think caltrops (or whatever "makibishi") would be a good idea.  Whether it hurts or just slows people down is up to others to debate, I just like the idea.  I think it would be good as horse traps too.  Also deployable stakes would be nice for archers (and again, either it just stops horses from riding through, or rears+damage, or just damages horse). 
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Overdriven on July 10, 2012, 08:58:03 pm
Soooo...Caltrops?

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Lets use that name rather than the weaboo name.
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Ujio on July 11, 2012, 05:00:33 pm
Soooo...Caltrops?

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Lets use that name rather than the weaboo name.

Let's not, and say we did. You appreciate the item, but not the Culture that made it. Pretty poor attitude.

If this is more Shuriken, I'm not for it being added, but if it's some sort of tyre spikes for calvary, then I'm all for it
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: LordRichrich on July 12, 2012, 04:53:00 pm
People would prefer them to be called caltrops because we're more familiar with the name and the majority of players are more western themed than eastern themed...
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on July 12, 2012, 05:25:35 pm
If there is a western equivalent to the item then the english name will do fine. I doubt many of us speak japanese. It's why I wouldn't like this item have an arabian name.
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: cmp on July 12, 2012, 05:33:24 pm
Let's not, and say we did. You appreciate the item, but not the Culture that made it. Pretty poor attitude.

Caltrops were already used in Roman times.
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: v/onMega on July 12, 2012, 05:34:48 pm
Names:
MCM : MOZAMBIQUE CLAYMORE MINE
BB: BALOTELLIHAIRPIECE

or just mitsubishi?
Title: Re: Makibishi
Post by: Ujio on July 13, 2012, 04:51:35 pm
If there is a western equivalent to the item then the english name will do fine. I doubt many of us speak japanese. It's why I wouldn't like this item have an arabian name.

On that note, they could at least give the Japanese armor a proper name. Doesn't have to be in Japanese, but something of an english translation of the Japanese name, or just something appropriate, like "Japanese Lamellar armor" for the Heavy and Medium armor, and "Japanese Leather Lamellar armor" for the light. Would be better than "Heavy Strange armor" etc.

Caltrops were already used in Roman times.

Yeah, but the item being suggested is Japanese.