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Title: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:28:58 pm
Over the last couple of days  I`ve been reading a lot of whine/bitch threads regarding cavalry and how OP it is.These threads are made by  2h "heroes" which the only thing they can do is spam and rape S button and gay ass archers that bore you to death with their kiting.

I played 1 generation as cavalry and I dare to say that the only things that need to be fixed are :

- Bump slash
- Bump couch/lance
- a small nerf to manoeuver of the arabian

Other than that, everything else is fine,it`s not cavalries fault that you can`t hear or you can`t fight back lancers, and instead of trying to improve yourselves on how to fight back lancers you keep bitching to the developers until they give in and totally nerf cavalry class making it unplayable.

Majority believes that cavalry class is easy mode because they see Gk`s do spawn rape and afk kills,although I` don`t like that at all and infinite times I insulted GK`s for doing that I would be an idiot not to say that most of them are good at what they do and that it actually requires skill to be a lancer.

It is hard because

- Every ranged is aiming at your horse
- When you get de-horsed there is a 90% chance that you`ll get killed  by an angry mob
- Horses are very weak and die very fast (especially if the hit is on the legs)
- Many times I found myself being out ranged by a greatsword`s thrust with the heavy lance while mounted

Also most of the lancers carry a polearm as a secondary weapon,but guess what,pole stagger removed because 2h heavy kuyak heroes kept whining about it resulting in a major nerf to polearms in generals,while on the other hand the 2h class kept

- The retarded animations
- The hug spam no bounce
- Ghost reach of swings
- Stab retarded and abuzive animations

Some time ago cmp nerfed turning speed a bit and most of the 2h heroes rage-respeced because as they said "BATTLE NOW IS TOO SLOW " " I CANT TOP THE SCOREBOARD NOW BECAUSE I CANT DO A 180 LOLSTAB" "OMG OMG I WILL LEAVE THIS GAME I AM THE MIGHTY GTX"

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Cry us a river.


Now its to prove to the dev`s what classes really do need nerf/balance

1.Pikes/Lspears and their retarded animations.

- Hug hits
- Spamming
- Jump thrusts

You don`t believe me??
Take a look..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5iSHhzRy5s&feature=youtu.be

Notice how the long spear passes inside from his enemy but he can make a thrust and land a successful hit..That is just retarded

What?? You want more evidence that pikes/lspears are retarded??
Ok,be my guest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIf-PaDBra4&feature=g-upl

All the action starts from 2:17,his first victim tries to sneak on him,and while he`s like 5 cm`s away from him,booom dieler with an insta 180 turn he penetrates his enemy and then he proceeds to his other victim which he hugs-spam his 245cm and 2.5kg lspear...And after the 2 victims of his watch how sensually he keeps the spamming and 180 turn thrusts...MMMMMM TOTALLY TRUE,but fuck you, if lancers where banned from the game, players  wouldn`t need lspears to play and protect themselves
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Now let`s proceed to my favorite class (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 2H HEROES!!!

My first example is my friend cicero...

take a look at this scene 1:17 when he fight 2 other 2hand heroes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt0lhTUBCCg&feature=youtu.be

YOU CAN SEE IT ALL,LOLSTAB FROM 1CM,HUG SPAM,but i guess that`s normal right??

but it gets even better,carefully take a look at the clutch that begins in 6:24,first 2 kills are with the retarded lolstab reach,the third kill is a crazy backpedal lolstab totally doable and after that we see some random kills with spam/jump/lolstab/backpedal/jump/spamlolstab/backpedalspamrightswing,ALL OF THEM WITH 30+  kgr gear

WHAT 2H CLASS ISNT OP AND I NEED TO STFU??

ok,take a look here then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lXysrOEu4&feature=g-upl

This is Diagonal,a well known 2h hero,first scene is at 1:40 how quick he evades the horseman behind him and with an insta 180 turn he almost kills him (YEAH CAV IS EASYMODE).

Second scene begins in 4:56 where he fights Ujuki,another 2h hero,now keep in mind that they are both are STR build and yet look with what grace they can hugspam/lolstab each other,isn`t it beautiful ??


Now to sum it up.

This thread was clearly made to prove to people that there are more retarded and abuzive classes than lancers.

- lolstabs
- 180 spam swings
- kiting and jumpshots
- unbreakble shields
- left 1h spam
- ghost reach
- pike/lspear hugspam and jump turn 180 thrust (YES STILL EXISTS)



NOW LET THE QQ AND THE RAGE BEGIN

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Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 03, 2012, 02:36:47 pm
Can we hyave a tl;dr version? I got distracted by the pretty pictures
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:39:44 pm
My My, a longspear herp,a glaive noob and an ex-2hero - my post,what a relief.  :twisted:
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Vibe on July 03, 2012, 02:39:57 pm
Not really OP, but definitely one of the more effective classes considering how easy it is to lance unaware people or people that are engaged in a fight. Or just annoy them with bumps (or bumplancing if you're better).
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 03, 2012, 02:40:43 pm
Not really OP, but definitely one of the more effective classes considering how easy it is to lance unaware people or people that are engaged in a fight. Or just annoy them with bumps (or bumplancing if you're better).

Pretty much summed up cav
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:41:20 pm
Not really OP, but definitely one of the more effective classes considering how easy it is to lance unaware people or people that are engaged in a fight. Or just annoy them with bumps (or bumplancing if you're better).

battles were won by a simple horse charge in medieval fights.By nerfing to hell cavalry you just miss the point of "realistic" game
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Vibe on July 03, 2012, 02:42:26 pm
Also, why are you using outdated info?

Spin stabbing is not possible to such extent as you say in your post. Makes your whole post lose credibility.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:43:46 pm
Also, why are you using outdated info?

Spin stabbing is not possible to such extent as you say in your post. Makes your whole post lose credibility.

but still exists,they did not remove the problem they just masked it a bit.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 03, 2012, 02:44:56 pm
battles were won by a simple horse charge in medieval fights.By nerfing to hell cavalry you just miss the point of "realistic" game

No they werent. The Batlle of Crecy or Agincourt (can't remember the exact one) depended on archers and superior tactics. The same can be said for Stirling Bridge, where William Wallace with mere peasants slaughtered a heavily armed English Army led by his most successful general. Pikes, and axes won that not cavalry.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:46:15 pm
I wish I had some videos of

Leshma
Steevee
Hearst
Bagge

then you would realize how retarded these classes are

Crymoar you just brought up 2 battles out of thousands who took place..
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: _GTX_ on July 03, 2012, 02:48:00 pm
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This is too stupid to answer... even for me. I dont rly feel like trying, since most of this is based on hate, more than facts. Like the 180 spin stab (not possible).

Edit: Gl vibe, but this is based on hate, not facts. U wont get far :P.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Vibe on July 03, 2012, 02:48:59 pm
1.Pikes/Lspears and their retarded animations.

- Hug hits wat
- Spamming double wat, everyone can spam, only nubs fall to it
- Jump thrusts horse jump thrusts don't exist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5iSHhzRy5s&feature=youtu.be

Notice how the long spear passes inside from his enemy but he can make a thrust and land a successful hit..That is just retarded

What?? You want more evidence that pikes/lspears are retarded??
Ok,be my guest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIf-PaDBra4&feature=g-upl

All the action starts from 2:17,his first victim tries to sneak on him,and while he`s like 5 cm`s away from him,booom dieler with an insta 180 turn he penetrates his enemy and then he proceeds to his other victim which he hugs-spam his 245cm and 2.5kg lspear...And after the 2 victims of his watch how sensually he keeps the spamming and 180 turn thrusts...MMMMMM TOTALLY TRUE,but fuck you, if lancers where banned from the game, players  wouldn`t need lspears to play and protect themselves this whole section is pretty stupid considering the spin stab nerf, also the video of dieler is outdated

take a look at this scene 1:17 when he fight 2 other 2hand heroes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt0lhTUBCCg&feature=youtu.be

YOU CAN SEE IT ALL,LOLSTAB FROM 1CM,HUG SPAM,but i guess that`s normal right??

ok,take a look here then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lXysrOEu4&feature=g-upl

This is Diagonal,a well known 2h hero,first scene is at 1:40 how quick he evades the horseman behind him and with an insta 180 turn he almost kills him (YEAH CAV IS EASYMODE).

Second scene begins in 4:56 where he fights Ujuki,another 2h hero,now keep in mind that they are both are STR build and yet look with what grace they can hugspam/lolstab each other,isn`t it beautiful ?? there was like one stab in that duel and it can hardly be called a lolstab since it was pretty much at perfect range

This thread was clearly made to prove to people that there are more retarded and abuzive classes than lancers.

- lolstabs wut
- 180 spam swings turnspeed nerf
- kiting and jumpshots
- unbreakble shields never knew 13 shield skill people were dangerous
- left 1h spam want to take away only good 1h attack has?
- ghost reach specific weapon problem, not class
- pike/lspear hugspam and jump turn 180 thrust (YES STILL EXISTS) no it doesn't

Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:50:40 pm
This is too stupid to answer... even for me. I dont rly feel like trying, since most of this is based on hate, more than facts. Like the 180 spin stab (not possible).

Hate??

I couldnt care less about a little prick like you,when 2h class got nerfed a bit you started crying and rq the mod.

And I`m just stating the facts and I`m actually try to defend cavalry class.

QTX
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:51:37 pm


Well you are a 2h,so I wasn`t expecting a different answer.


Edit :

Persians,Mongols,Huns,Cumans,Goths,Visigoths and Ostrogoths are some of the empires that were built because of their supremacy on Cavalry,not melee nor the mighty longbowman (which plenty question its effectivness)

KEEP THE QQ COMING
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Gurnisson on July 03, 2012, 02:53:15 pm
Where's the cavalry bugs then? Bump-couching, jumping over pikes, horse's body sucking up hits when you're attacking a dehorsed rider, teleporting rider after horse gets killed, shields/blocks taking the damage even if you hit the horse model with you weapon, getting knocked down by horses walking over you, one-hiting madness etc.

I don't mind cav (except for the shields/block sucking up damage that's not even close, and yes, the teleporting), but I like how you skip over all moronic parts of cav and focus on classes you don't like.

My My, a longspear herp,a glaive noob and an ex-2hero - my post,what a relief.  :twisted:

I guess you're talking about me. I don't use long spear, I use pike. Go on a server and attack someone relatively close to you with 'pike'. I'm awaiting a video of your fails that I can use for a 'buff pike' thread :wink:
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: bruce on July 03, 2012, 02:54:06 pm
Give up, it's pointless.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Vibe on July 03, 2012, 02:54:59 pm
Well you are a 2h,so I wasn`t expecting a different answer.


Edit :

Persians,Mongols,Huns,Cumans,Goths,Visigoths and Ostrogoths are some of the empires that were built because of their supremacy on Cavalry,not melee nor the mighty longbowman (which plenty question its effectivness)

KEEP THE QQ COMING

I'm not lobbying or defending 2h, just showing you that your arguments are pretty fucking dumb
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: _GTX_ on July 03, 2012, 02:56:07 pm
Give up, it's pointless.
Idd it is, hate more than facts.

I'm not lobbying or defending 2h, just showing you that your argument are pretty fucking dumb

Yup, couldent agree more.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 02:58:34 pm
Where's the cavalry bugs then? Bump-couching, jumping over pikes, horse's body sucking up hits when you're attacking a dehorsed rider, teleporting rider after horse gets killed, shields/blocks taking the damage even if you hit the horse model with you weapon, getting knocked down by horses walking over you, one-hiting madness etc.

I don't mind cav (except for the shields/block sucking up damage that's not even close, and yes, the teleporting), but I like how you skip over all moronic parts of cav and focus on classes you don't like.

I guess you're talking about me. I don't use long spear, I use pike. Go on a server and attack someone relatively close to you with 'pike'. I'm awaiting a video of your fails that I can use for a 'buff pike' thread :wink:


- Bump slash
- Bump couch/lance
- a small nerf to manoeuver of the arabian

Have you ever been bumped by a real horse??

Ofc you will fall down,we are talking for something that weights 500kilos.

I
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: _GTX_ on July 03, 2012, 02:59:36 pm

Have you ever been bumped by a real horse??

Ofc you will fall down,we are talking for something that weights 500kilos.

I

Realism... just no.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: bruce on July 03, 2012, 03:01:27 pm
Actually 2h really have little business whining about horses, a greatsworder is only outshined by a piker when it comes to having anti-cav defense and it's also great for infantry-killing and so on.

Every class is full of glithchy "abilities", like both horsemen,spearmen and 2h "swinging" the shaft of the spear/lance(or 2h sword) into you for pierce damage, and all sorts of crap like that, which simply doesn't make sense anymore then arabian lulzmaneuver does.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Oberyn on July 03, 2012, 03:01:40 pm
No they werent. The Batlle of Crecy or Agincourt (can't remember the exact one) depended on archers and superior tactics. The same can be said for Stirling Bridge, where William Wallace with mere peasants slaughtered a heavily armed English Army led by his most successful general. Pikes, and axes won that not cavalry.

Brit brings up the few medieval battles he got taught in middle school as evidence for realism, wow that literally never happened before. Oh look, based off of this one battle that I picked completely at random, I now determine that longbowmen were worthless peasants that existed only to be trampled if they couldn't get behind their bundle of sticks, cowardly little wall of sharpened stakes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Patay .
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Leshma on July 03, 2012, 03:01:52 pm
That DiagonaL dude is pretty bad. How come I die to him sometimes :?

Anyways, german greatsword 2H 21/18 build and better (24/18 ze best) is the easiest thing in this mod. My build is 18/24 and damage difference is noticeable. Speed difference... depends really, on armor, terrain configuration, weapon (I'm moving super slow with flamberge in my hands).

Cav isn't any easier than 2H greatsword, that's for sure.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 03:02:21 pm
Realism... just no.

qq more.

In my point of view,in the end the only classes that will be playable will be ranged (xbow-bow) and 2h swords,and that is only because the majority plays these two.

Just keep qqing,it only shows how much butthurt makes you when someone is trying to prove that your precious 2h sword has retarded and abusive animations.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 03:03:21 pm
That DiagonaL dude is pretty bad. How come I die to him sometimes :?

Anyways, german greatsword 2H 21/18 build and better (24/18 ze best) is the easiest thing in this mod. My build is 18/24 and damage difference is noticeable. Speed difference... depends really, on armor, terrain configuration, weapon (I'm move super slow with flamberge in my hands).

Cav isn't any easier than 2H greatsword, that's for sure.

Fucking thank you,you just earned some respect from me here.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: bruce on July 03, 2012, 03:10:22 pm
As for real horses, I would not stand in front of a charging horse, ever, and try to do something as retarded as say, stab it in the forehead with a short weapon or anything like that. Nobody normal who has seen a normal-sized horse would.

But since horses become ethereal on death (instead of a horse corpse falling directly on you being even more dangerous then a living horse hitting you), warband anti-horse tactics have nothing to do with reality.

In reality, with medieval technology, you'd stop a horse charge by either:
- pikes / stakes / other long, sharp stuff, a wall of which a horse would not charge, and horses hitting stopped horses in the front makes a huge big mess rather then just stopping like some sort of retard bumper cars
- (protected) archers shooting in the flanks of a horse charge

Failure to employ either of these (or trying to stop a head-on horse charge with un-protected archers) resulted in being destroyed if the enemy had a sufficient-sized cavalry force.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: MrShine on July 03, 2012, 03:21:41 pm
Cavalry isn't OP, but it's also probably the easiest class I've ever played.

It isn't OP because anyone smart knows how to counter you; there are only a few people that I have trouble with on cav with my 117 reach sword of war. However, it's easy as hell to rack up kills because there are so many dumb/unaware/newbie players that literally leap onto your lance every round. 

A few gens ago I went cav for the first time ever.  As some may be able to attest to, I am a terrible cav.

I ended the gen with a 2.5:1 KD.  I think I would have literally had to try to fail to get below a 1:1 with cav.    It was amazing how many kills I could get charging in a straight line towards someone and have them screw themselves over.


In conclusion:
-Cav doesn't need to be nerfed
-Cav is super easy to get kills with
-If you complain about cav being OP there's a good chance you're bad at this game (sorry).  Protip: '~' key.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Cumface on July 03, 2012, 03:21:55 pm
Cavalry is OK, It's not terribly overpowerd or underpowered... But I really dislike the fact how horses are controlled, it's way too easy to ride the horse in my opinion. One thing that I'd like to see is that the horses takes damage and / or the rider flies off the horse when it hits obstacle (wall, tree etc...) in high speed. Lancers are actually pretty easy to outrange with 2h stab, just aim for the horses head. I've seen people outranging them with 1h too, but rarely manage to do it by myself. 1h cavalry can be outranged with anything. Cavalry is not overpowered, but it sure is annoying when you are fighting with someone and all the sudden some bundle of sticks just runs you over with a gay horse... :D
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Fartface on July 03, 2012, 03:21:59 pm
Your point is?
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 03:25:03 pm
Your point is?

I`m trying to prove that cavalry is doomed like throwing just because the majority of this community is 2h and ranged.

and you people tend to forget that it`s MOUNT and blade not ranged and 2h heroes warband
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Momo on July 03, 2012, 03:25:22 pm
YES THEY ARE STILL OP, QQ MORE. IDIOT.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Duckzern on July 03, 2012, 03:27:09 pm
My biggest problem with Cav is that it's not a charge in first class, but a couch at unaware victim class.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Gurnisson on July 03, 2012, 03:27:22 pm
I`m trying to prove that cavalry is doomed like throwing just because the majority of this community is 2h and ranged.

I don't know what world you're living in, but I see tons of cavalry. To be honest, I see a fair amount of most classes, only hoplites (and dedicated throwers but that's a troll class :lol:) are representated at a significantly lower rate than the rest.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 03:28:02 pm
YES THEY ARE STILL OP, QQ MORE. IDIOT.

and I was wondering when the reject would post.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Chasey on July 03, 2012, 03:30:45 pm
the video of dieler was from before the turnspeed nerf patch when longspears were truly op, so you cant really use that :P
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Momo on July 03, 2012, 03:35:54 pm
You failed big time. Accept it, idiot.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 03:37:44 pm
You failed big time. Accept it, idiot.

I`m the idiot here??

Dielers video maybe old but I still see a lot of similarities to chase`s video.

and please momo if you don`t have something useful to say,just don`t post,you remind me rufio a lot,both of you buttuhurt with me and you feel the need to post and - my threads.

little bitches.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Momo on July 03, 2012, 03:41:07 pm
I`m the idiot here??

Dielers video maybe old but I still see a lot of similarities to chase`s video.

and please momo if you don`t have something useful to say,just don`t post,you remind me rufio a lot,both of you buttuhurt with me and you feel the need to post and - my threads.

little bitches.

I am not butthurt about the nerfs unlike you. You do the same - ing, idiot. You little bitch!  :D
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Grumbs on July 03, 2012, 04:11:24 pm
The main problem is the cheap kills and relative safety from which you can tip the balance of a fight in your favour. Bumping, lance of doom, getting unaware players (call them noobs, but its still cheap and no matter what you can't have 360 degree awareness at all times).

Oh and crazy shield AOE that blocks hits on the horse and the players back, and the horse protecting the player when he gets dismounted now

I respect good cav, and panos might be too but the skill floor is just too low imo. Too many cheap ways to kill or avoid taking damage yourself

Also,
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Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: LordBerenger on July 03, 2012, 04:13:51 pm
Stop minusing Panos you gay 2hander scum just because he rapes you at discussions. And cav is okay.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 03, 2012, 04:22:54 pm
The main problem is the cheap kills and relative safety from which you can tip the balance of a fight in your favour. Bumping, lance of doom, getting unaware players (call them noobs, but its still cheap and no matter what you can't have 360 degree awareness at all times).

Oh and crazy shield AOE that blocks hits on the horse and the players back, and the horse protecting the player when he gets dismounted now

I respect good cav, and beer might be too but the skill floor is just too low imo. Too many cheap ways to kill or avoid taking damage yourself

Also,
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Coming from a backpedal glaive spammer,uhm,no respect at all.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Beauchamp on July 03, 2012, 04:29:28 pm
cavalry is of course OPed compared to all the other classes, but its just how it just should be, shouldn't it?

the only problem is this OPesness is not compensated in other ways (like for example horses are to cheap so everyone can keep taking cheaper horse all over again into the battles). so instead of a few elite dedicated OP horsemen we see a huge mob of "so called horsemen"  that try to couch lance a guy surrounded by 5 other teammates.

personally i'd like to see horses even way stronger (and way way more expensive). horse should be a privilege, you should save money to be able to take it multiple times, you should really feel like a king when you go to the battle on horse and so should those you trample underfeet.

unluckily now every moron can take it...
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Vibe on July 03, 2012, 04:40:31 pm
Stop minusing beer you gay 2hander scum just because he rapes you at discussions.

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Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Aseplhood on July 03, 2012, 04:44:05 pm
You whine about 2h. Just like you'd like to make it as strong as 1 handed. The point is - 1h lets you carry a shield. 2h not.

Cav isn't op. Why would people like grellenort get stats like 20-2 (last time), making the whole team win? It's basically like - one good cav in team = team is victorious. Who cares that 2h can overrange you, when you ride straight into him. How should we fight cav then?

We would have to wait for a cav to "mistake". Also, don't whine about horses poor hp, because it takes around 2-3 2h hits to take a horse down. Additionally, no one said you have to ride on the damned horse until the death, so don't use argument like " when your horse dies, you die as well! ". If this game would have more realism in it, you would not be able to stand up after your horse dies, and throws you down from mounted.

Also, cav can 1-hit EVERYBODY. Only shielders can protect themselves by losing their shields. Couched attack is nearly a death sentence for everyone.

Cav can ride around, very accurately bumping everyone fighting in melee. Odd but true.

And cav still isn't op. Just check out ratios of good cavs, and compare them to stats of good 2handers.


The only thing that compensates cavs' opness is their upkeep. But that nearly nothing, as everyone can afford it anyways.


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horse should be a privilege, you should save money to be able to take it multiple times, you should really feel like a king when you go to the battle on horse and so should those you trample underfeet.

This.
Same for plated armours. Wearing them atm. is kinda bad idea. They're very expensive, very heavy, and give not THAT much defensive.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: polkafranzi on July 03, 2012, 04:46:35 pm
No they werent. The Batlle of Crecy or Agincourt (can't remember the exact one) depended on *HYBRID* archers and superior tactics. The same can be said for Stirling Bridge, where William Wallace with mere peasants slaughtered a heavily armed English Army led by his most successful general. Pikes, and axes won that not cavalry.

Fixed (for Agincourt at least).

Nerf the rediculous bodkin + rus/longbow damage and give them instead some melee options.  Their shitty bodkins were useless against good armour and most of the killing was due to knights being stuck in mud and murdered with mauls and daggers - hence give cRPG Legolas/Robin hood wannabe LARPing heroes some melee capability.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: LordBerenger on July 03, 2012, 05:17:58 pm
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Only reason i won't minus you is because that's fappable material right there.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: _Tak_ on July 03, 2012, 05:19:46 pm
sorry to ask but i heard infantry turning speed got nerf, i notice that horse turning speed got nerf too , that affect horse too right?
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Malaclypse on July 03, 2012, 05:21:17 pm
My only problem with the class is that pressing W at someone's backside shouldn't be a viable tactic, ever. At least not as viable as it is now. There's no risk to the horse if it's not getting physically hit by a weapon, but it can deal out absurd damage to ground units just by moving at them. Should at least take some amount of damage against the horse and/or experience a greater loss in momentum.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: polkafranzi on July 03, 2012, 05:22:06 pm
sorry to ask but i heard infantry turning speed got nerf, i notice that horse turning speed got nerf too , that affect horse too right?

All horses had a stat nerf a while ago, which came after the famous lance angle nerf (which didn't affect 1h cav/HA/HX...trololo)

But lately no turning speed nerf afaik
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 03, 2012, 05:23:34 pm
Where's the cavalry bugs then? Bump-couching, jumping over pikes, horse's body sucking up hits when you're attacking a dehorsed rider, teleporting rider after horse gets killed, shields/blocks taking the damage even if you hit the horse model with you weapon, getting knocked down by horses walking over you, one-hiting madness etc.

I don't mind cav (except for the shields/block sucking up damage that's not even close, and yes, the teleporting), but I like how you skip over all moronic parts of cav and focus on classes you don't like.

I guess you're talking about me. I don't use long spear, I use pike. Go on a server and attack someone relatively close to you with 'pike'. I'm awaiting a video of your fails that I can use for a 'buff pike' thread :wink:

I'm 10th gen cav and I also hate those things too.  it doesn't make the class overpowered though, not by any means.  There's issues abound in c-rpg (and more importantly, warband).  The game is still pretty well balanced. 

Let's break down your complaints:

Bump-couching - this is part of a larger issue where you can hit people who are closer than the farthest reach of your weapon.  Supposedly they are going over each weapons' hit boxes to fix this type of issue.  It's the same reason a pike can stab someone who's 1 foot away (or anyone can hit anyone with a weapon when a person is physically closer than the length of their weapon).  This isn't unique to horsemen.
jumping over pikes - this is part of warband, it would be awesome if you could "brace" pikes, it would be ever better if all weapons had a damage associated with them regardless of whether or not they were swinging.  If someone runs into your sword, they should take damage.  If someone runs into a spear, they should take damage (regardless if you're swinging).  This isn't unique to horsemen.
horse's body sucking up hits when you're attacking a dehorsed rider - This is an amazing change from cmp, and I think very good (in theory).  Although I haven't personally seen 2 friendly melee swinging, one kills an enemy, and the 2nd person's swing hits the dead body.  I'm still seeing people get teamhit when an enemy dies, the bodies just fall so fast that the ragdoll for 1 second on a dead body is really not helping at all.  So I would be cool with them removing this, but at the same time, I've been de-horsed at least 100 times since this change, and I can say that I've never had an issue with someone hitting the horse instead of me.  Every single time I'm dismounted, I slide 5 feet in front of the horse...every time.
teleporting rider after horse gets killed  This very rarely happens (it's happened to me 2 or 3 times in my c-rpg experience).  People "Slide" forward when they get dismounted, but anyone's whose played the game should be able to tell where the person is on the ground.  not to mention you can physically see them on the ground.
shields/blocks taking the damage even if you hit the horse model with you weapon - No excuse for this.  As a lancer cav it's one of my biggest pet peeves that someone just down blocks on their horse, and even if I'm aiming very low on the horse model, it seems like it's 50/50 chance I will actually hit the horse.  I don't like the forcefield of shields or manually blocking on horse.
getting knocked down by horses walking over you  They have to be at least trotting to get knocked down.  You may get bumped at a slow walk, but I don't see a problem with that.  Have you ever stood next to a horse?  That thing could take one step forward and if you were in front of it, you'd probably get knocked down, or at least stumble back before regaining your balance.
one-hiting madness  Madness?  It's called a speed bonus, and it works both ways.  If I'm riding at you, and you shoot me, throw something at me (or my horse) or swing and hit me, I take massive damage because of the speed bonus.  Do you have a problem with the speed bonus that has been around since the original M&B?  I didn't think so.  Just seems like you're trying to make the list longer.

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Aseplhood - If this game would have more realism in it, you would not be able to stand up after your horse dies, and throws you down from mounted.

it goes both ways.  If you want to open that can of worms.  In real life, if a horse dies as it's riding at you, and the dead carcass flies into you, what happens to you?  You also wouldn't be getting up from that.  Also in real life, you don't have to wait for a horse to completely stop moving to dismount.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Gurnisson on July 03, 2012, 05:35:11 pm
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I don't mind cav (except for the shields/block sucking up damage that's not even close, and yes, the teleporting), but I like how you skip over all moronic parts of cav and focus on classes you don't like.

I don't think cav is overpowered, I just brought forward the silly parts of cavalry that the OP didn't, since he was so good at naming all the stupid parts of other classes without mentioning his own. Cav is fine except for the force-field and the teleport (doubt that one can be fixed, been there since dawn of time)

I don't see why piking someone up close was anything worse than what I mentioned about cav, especially considering that infantry/cav can run into chambered spear tips without taking damage. All classes have things that is stupid/can be abused, and I guess that's just how it is. But if one's gonna focus on it, one better mention the broken parts of his own class too.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: v/onMega on July 03, 2012, 05:43:50 pm
cavalry is of course OPed compared to all the other classes, but its just how it just should be, shouldn't it?

the only problem is this OPesness is not compensated in other ways (like for example horses are to cheap so everyone can keep taking cheaper horse all over again into the battles). so instead of a few elite dedicated OP horsemen we see a huge mob of "so called horsemen"  that try to couch lance a guy surrounded by 5 other teammates.

personally i'd like to see horses even way stronger (and way way more expensive). horse should be a privilege, you should save money to be able to take it multiple times, you should really feel like a king when you go to the battle on horse and so should those you trample underfeet.

unluckily now every moron can take it...

this
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 03, 2012, 05:52:32 pm
My only problem with the class is that pressing W at someone's backside shouldn't be a viable tactic, ever.

S key, right swing.

Shouldn't be viable either.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Lannistark on July 03, 2012, 05:55:28 pm
Not that I didn't find this thread uninteresting but, is there a shorter version? Gonna cause too many tl:drs
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Vibe on July 03, 2012, 05:57:07 pm
Only reason i won't minus you is because that's fappable material right there.

if you really think panjos is "raping" with those arguments, then I feel sorry for you too

opening post sounds like a bucket of tears rather than a reasonable discussion about cavalry
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Momo on July 03, 2012, 05:57:38 pm
Oh look! Mr. EPIC MEGA TROLL number 1 whiner got muted.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: _GTX_ on July 03, 2012, 06:00:08 pm
Oh look! Mr. EPIC MEGA TROLL number 1 whiner got muted.  :mrgreen:

Oh my god, i believe in god again :o.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Angellore on July 03, 2012, 06:11:33 pm
Not really OP, but definitely one of the more effective classes considering how easy it is to lance unaware people (...)

I agree killing unaware player isn't hard job, no matter if you are horseman, infantry or ranged, shooting standing target in the head. I played many classes in crpg, and I really never had problems with cav or archers, even when I played as infantry. Many times I was couched from behind, because I wasn’t paying enough attention. Many times I was headshotted, even from huge range. Many times other infantry silently killed me with just two quick hits from behind, but how could I be mad about that? It’s part of Battle game mode, something I agree joining Battle game server.

Because of how cav in this mod works, it’s a class which strictly bases on people awareness. It’s not for me to decide is this silly or not, it is how it is. If every player would be aware of every lancer charging at him, it would make no sense to play lancer. You would die very quickly, because aware opponent has an edge over lancer in crpg.

(...) how easy it is to lance (...) people that are engaged in a fight. Or just annoy them with bumps (or bumplancing if you're better).

I can't agree it's easy for lancer to kill enemy engaged in fight. Because of lance angles in crpg, you can attack only targets which are pretty much in front of your horse. That's the reason why people are often mad at cav. It's pretty hard to help your teammates from horseback, especially if your teammate don't cooperate and don't move back a bit (90% of people don't do that). I don’t charge when I’m not sure I will hit the enemy and miss my ally. And even then I sometimes makes mistakes and bump ally as well. It isn’t that easy as you think, since you can’t predict infantry path. In this game you can sidewalk and change movement direction without any delay, in any moment you like, without even slowing down a little. The real challenge is to kill or bump enemy, and same time don’t do any harm to your teammate.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: KaffeKalle on July 03, 2012, 06:13:51 pm
Personally i dont think Cav is OP, just boring. So I play on siegeservers where they arent as popular or annoying.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Blackbow on July 03, 2012, 06:34:00 pm
point of view from an archer :

- up a bit life point of horses coz one shot an horse with one arrow in the head is maybe a bit too op
- nerf maneuverability coz horse look like 4x4 or a seagway especially mw horses

imo one problem is the bump slah and how a one hander can slash and pass through the head of his horse wihtout did any damage to his horse

to be a skilled horseman they should have to be more carefful at not hiting their own horse

cordialy your favorit pimp
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Zerran on July 03, 2012, 10:15:09 pm
Those 2 videos showing how OP pikes/longspears are... they're both longspears. Pikes cannot facehug and stab. It is physically impossible. Please stop confusing pikes and longspears, they do not have the same capabilities.

I'd also like to throw out that in both videos the people they fight are completely retarded on how to fight such weapons. Multiple times I saw someone try and backpeddle against them.

HINT: If a weapon is massively longer than yours, backpedaling is retarded.
HINT: If your enemy has their weapon primed for a strike and you don't, they will hit first.
HINT: Weapons with unbalanced tag have a really long thrust stun.
HINT: Long polearms get caught on walls and the like very easily.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Pandemona on July 03, 2012, 10:34:14 pm
I played all classes but i'm dedicated cavalry and i don't have any problem about enemy cavalry when i play other classes because i know what to do, people should learn what to do against cavalries and (in general) should learn how to use their own classes advantages. Every class has advantages and disadvantages if you're using them well, then you're a good player. If you are not, you can keep whining. But before whining about other classes think this ''what if you're doing something wrong?''. There are so many cavalries but only few of them can dominate scoreboard and playing good.


Edit : In summary, no class is OP. cRPG is about your own game style and your own build, there are good players and bad players.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 04, 2012, 12:28:48 am
cav isn't OP and wasn't in a long time, but you are getting pathetic with your 2h-heroe crying.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on July 04, 2012, 04:08:06 am
cav is def OP
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Relit on July 04, 2012, 04:39:13 am
Those 2 videos showing how OP pikes/longspears are... they're both longspears. Pikes cannot facehug and stab. It is physically impossible. Please stop confusing pikes and longspears, they do not have the same capabilities.

This, dear god, this.
Title: Re: You still think that cavalry is OP??
Post by: Patoson on July 04, 2012, 08:53:39 am
it`s not cavalries fault that you can`t hear or you can`t fight back lancers

No, it's not the riders' fault, it's the poor sound system's fault.

And it's not really OP. There are just too many of them now!