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Title: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 15, 2012, 05:44:51 pm
I'll start.

Items that were never, ever, worn with a Kuyak:

Klappvisier
Pigface Klappvisier
Barbutte
Nordic Warlord Helmet

there are more but these are the big "sheep" ones.

Oh shit, I just made half of cRPG helmetless  :?

Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Bazinga on June 15, 2012, 05:51:13 pm
Kuyak is overused anyway. Which helmet was used with a Kuyak then?

"Oh shit, I just made half of cRPG helmetless  :?" <- I guess no one even cares.. :)
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: gazda on June 15, 2012, 05:53:36 pm
in fact , there arent many people that wear kuyak, seeing kuyak in battle server is extremely rare
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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 15, 2012, 05:59:41 pm
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Haha yes....this...100x

in fact , there arent many people that wear kuyak, seeing kuyak in battle server is extremely rare

Just tabbed back into game after writing here and insta SS's.
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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 15, 2012, 06:52:07 pm
these two
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and this, with anything. no real medieval warrior would ever wear something so ugly!
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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 15, 2012, 06:54:29 pm
and this, with anything. no real medieval warrior would ever wear something so ugly!
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LOL
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Chasey on June 15, 2012, 06:55:57 pm
Haha yes....this...100x

Just tabbed back into game after writing here and insta SS's.
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You ss'd 2 people out of 60 that were wearing a kuyak. I dont think you made your point.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Ronin on June 15, 2012, 07:21:10 pm
You ss'd 2 people out of 60 that were wearing a kuyak. I dont think you made your point.

Just tabbed back into game after writing here and insta SS's.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Largg on June 17, 2012, 10:35:25 pm
There could be a competition of who can make a screen of most kyak great sword guys in same picture.

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Probably could do better but I remember being so amused when totally random people end up getting the almost exactly same equipment. Must be pretty cool then.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Zisa on June 17, 2012, 10:48:32 pm
There could be a competition of who can make a screen of most kyak great sword guys in same picture.

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Probably could do better but I remember being so amused when totally random people end up getting the almost exactly same equipment. Must be pretty cool then.
And you can see them at the scene of a murder in that pic.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 17, 2012, 11:17:01 pm
And you can see them wearing 3 helmets that were never worn with a kuyak.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: BashirKhan on June 18, 2012, 01:55:20 am
Which helmet was used with a Kuyak then?

Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: TurmoilTom on June 18, 2012, 02:00:27 am
Back during my last 30/9 2h gen (6 or 7th gen, I think), I ran around with a Winged Great Helmet and a Heavy Kuyak. It was as historically inaccurate as it was stylish.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 18, 2012, 12:46:29 pm
Back during my last 30/9 2h gen (6 or 7th gen, I think), I ran around with a Winged Great Helmet and a Heavy Kuyak. It was as historically inaccurate as it was stylish.

Kudos for acknowledging that.

Which helmet was used with a Kuyak then?



Don't worry, I have been busy over last 2 days getting screens of those that are getting it right and those getting it wrong.  I will publish this library later this week.  About 4 from 40-50 people are wearing accurate helmets.

http://www.xenophon-mil.org/rushistory/medievalarmor/ 

Look at

helmet.htm

and

russ13.htm (Kuyak)

What is this obsession with taking germanic Klappvisier, you're not "cool" or "badass" you just look like a joke.  Plus it's usually those that, i've gotta say, tend to not exactly be fond of german history that tend to take it...megalol.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 18, 2012, 06:51:44 pm
Which helmet was used with a Kuyak then?


any of these RUSSIAN helmets (note: not a Klappvisier, Nordic helmet or Barbutte in sight)



Armies of Medieval Russia 750-1250
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The thing is, most of the in game russian helmets, (tagancha's, rus helm, nikolskoe and Novogrod) are pretty cool and are of a high quality, dunno why these kuyak wearers choose not to wear them and go for something that a 14th century Knight from Germany would wear instead??? I mean I am no brilliant historian but didn't the Germans and Russians hate eachother back then and was at war (with the Teutonic knights and Alexander Nevsky etc) Its a bit like a Millwall F.C player turning up to a match wearing a West ham Jersey.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vibe on June 18, 2012, 07:12:01 pm
Can you blame them? Kuyaks are still one of the most detailed, beautifully made armors.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 18, 2012, 07:21:00 pm
Yes and Narf made them as part of his awesome russian pack which includes all the helmets that should be worn with them.

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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Largg on June 18, 2012, 09:52:41 pm
I blame game of thrones and the North. Ned Stark to be precise.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Penitent on June 18, 2012, 11:08:39 pm
All those helmets look...well...
They don't look as cool as the kuyaks we'll just say that.

I try to be period-precise though.  I like the looks when the armors/helms match correctly for period/culture.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 18, 2012, 11:14:48 pm
Back during my last 30/9 2h gen (6 or 7th gen, I think), I ran around with a Winged Great Helmet and a Heavy Kuyak. It was as historically inaccurate as it was stylish.

Kuyak is never stylish.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 18, 2012, 11:29:41 pm
How I see it (and correct me if i'm wrong), is that all these pricks who couple Kuyak/Rus scale with German helmets (like Klappvisier), think that they are some kind of Jason X tough guy, and that the Klappvisier makes them hardcore irl (what. a. fucking. fail.)...i'm 100% that's what it is, although they would never admit it, i'm still 100%.

My favourite is the Teutonic Winged Great Helmet coupled with Kuyak trololo look that some guy from Greys is wearing.  Mr. Cool.fail*
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 19, 2012, 12:22:46 am
Your just bieng funny right,? cuz for a fairly balanced pre 32 build, (and you must know this by now too)

I believe, unloomed, the kuyak and those helmets are kinda in a sweet spot for 'ideal damage reduction vs cost & weight'

I mean, lets say I've got my kuyak, and found that it does the job, but i need a 50-54 point helmet (from my observations) to really be in an ideal place with my build - whats a barbarian to do? 


Also, as the crpg mod has all these cultures constantly fighting each other, who is to say, that the kuyak wearer, didnt kill some guy with that helmet, pick it off him, and deam that it was better, and continued to wear it?  (Unrealistic perhaps in an civilized army, BUT possibly acceptable in a merc/raiders/horde of barbarians/etc situation? afterall, however much I would like it myself, we arent across the board representing nation states realistically or even irl battlefield conditions in general for that matter)

Also take into account, that the kuyak itself is a 'guess' of how some plates found I believe in Rus territory, may have been used - its not a historically verified body armor as presented, based on a historic piece. (as far as I know)

or it could be grandaddy's kuyak, and a 'modern to the time/location' helmet. 

I know its silly to answer a trolling question in this length, but I dont see it that way, if i'm also enjoying the banter and making a point of some kind, heh.



-That all said, I wear a kuyak all the time, but 90% of the time or more, wear an 'appropriate helmet'. In fact, i may go so far as to loom one of the russian helmets, just so I can have a heavier helmet that looks 'right', but when i see  kuyak and a heavy helmet, maybe its slightly annoying, but its alot less rediculous than other combo's and even armor pieces themselves, that I see everyday on crpg.

And bye the way, since the kuyak is Rus, and the Rus where very influenced, and ruled for some time by scandinavians, the Nordic helm of any level, is perfectly appropriate. Atleast thats the way I see it, and i'm pretty sticky on the 'historic' factor compared to most.


Blah blah blah lol
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 19, 2012, 11:20:37 pm
I mean, lets say I've got my kuyak, and found that it does the job, but i need a 50-54 point helmet (from my observations) to really be in an ideal place with my build - whats a barbarian to do? 

Don't be a munchkin and wear a barbarian helmet? Also, Kuyak is not a barbarian armor.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 20, 2012, 12:13:37 am
Don't be a munchkin and wear a barbarian helmet? Also, Kuyak is not a barbarian armor.

Well, Like i said, I'm not your munchkin, cuz I DO use the historically correct helms qwith my armor often enough.

depends on your definition of 'barbarian'...?

I mean thats a very undefined term, that essentially means originally for/from the greeks, anyone who is not part of Mediterranean high culture, and for the christians everyone who is not of a Abrahamic religion dominated society.

Truth be told, there really isnt much in the way of 'barbarian armor'.

Thing is though, people adapt it and other pieces piece-meal to make their own personal or even clan look, with no other interest than a fiction, rather than a strict adherance to history.

I disagree about saying the Kuyak is definitely not a barbarian armor,  our Kuyak models are based on a couple metal plates they found in the ground, with no real indicator of how they were attached to the leather (accept for a couple holes in the plates), and no indicator that they were part of an state supplied army via agricultural surplus. Plus, 'barbarian' is a shitty term that is basically snobbishness towards foreigners that you deem not as civilized as thou, but, I was using it in the 'modern fictional' sense, which is still defined by individual perception of what is, and is not 'barbarian'.

I agree with your sentiment for myself, and how I load out, but, if everyone stuck to wearing only the appropriate./uniformed look, we would see alot less variation, and thus, alot less uniqueness.

I do agree though, wearing a kuyak and a heavy helmet strikes me more like min-maxing, than respect for the cultural pieces, but the kuyak in our game is a speculation, not a historical piece like the gothic plate etc.

IN FACT, its arguable, if you put an early 13th century full/bucket helm with it like the topfhelms, it might be very like WESTERN early heavy armors that were transitioning from mail to plate/partial plate,/ fyrd high level individually owned armor BEFORE the widespread use of the standardized surcoats/gambisons, that we havent found an example of yet in the west, because some of the other things like a brigantine did the same job, but better, and its reminents meanwhile got used for some other metal consuming project in the mean time.

Also, whether we like it or not, the kuyaks get alot of use by non-historic fantasy types, because they look rough, and have good numbers.  If there was more in that range for selection, by those doing Viking/Rus/'barbarian', etc, that wasnt Rus, well then they wouldnt get as much use with 'artistic license'.  But as it is right now, there isnt much else in those number ranges that are an optional acceptable look for those that are doing the 'barbarian thing' available to buy for use, and still conform with the game mechanics of loading yourself out in a competative manner.  So until theres some more options that look equally rough and barbaric, and competative with someone who says 'Oh I'm rping milanese/late Western etc, so I get everything thats competative, now put that leather hat on scrub, and die to game mechanics that dont take into account, true mobility and fatigue!' this is what your going to get.

Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Tot. on June 20, 2012, 01:23:23 am
Worrying about outfit match-up is rather silly considering that 50% of cRPG population uses semi-fantasy two-handed swords.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Kafein on June 20, 2012, 03:26:19 am
The arabian guard armor spam or vaegir war mask spam are kinda bad too.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Elindor on June 20, 2012, 06:47:25 am
I mean, lets say I've got my kuyak, and found that it does the job, but i need a 50-54 point helmet (from my observations) to really be in an ideal place with my build - whats a barbarian to do? 

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Almost as much armor as the Klappvisier and historically accurate with kuyak  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 20, 2012, 07:58:21 am
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Almost as much armor as the Klappvisier and historically accurate with kuyak  :mrgreen:

+1
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Gnjus on June 20, 2012, 10:47:12 am
You people are expecting the impossible, it is in human nature to make shitty combinations when you give them a lot to chose from. The deeper pool of options = more ugly/idiotic/historically inaccurate combinations will arise. It's the same with every game that has some depth in equipment, as long as there are such online games you'll be seeing character that hurt your eyes.  :wink:
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 21, 2012, 12:05:51 am
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Almost as much armor as the Klappvisier and historically accurate with kuyak  :mrgreen:

I wear that all the time...   :)

I meant if 49-54 armor points mathematically is better.  People are gonna go there, if they keep getting killed via headshot. Personally, from my experience as an 8-gen hybrid balanced glass cannon, 50-52 points on the head =  One more absorbed shot, and more glances.

But I use that helmet or the Novgorod cuz it looks better.  My plan is to get a loomed one (Or better yet a loomed Novgorod, problem solved.

I was mainly speaking for others though, I'm sure thats how it happens - they need more than 48 points from their own experience, and then they buy something 49+
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 21, 2012, 11:18:34 am
I'm a philistine and couldn't give two shakes of rats anus as to whether he wore this with that or she totally didn't that would just be groodey gag me with a spoon.

No sir I just mix and match shit into the most horrible looking ensemble I can possibly create, just to annoy you! MUHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 21, 2012, 11:23:29 am
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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 21, 2012, 08:33:27 pm
That's supposed to be horrible? You fail at bad taste.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Teeth on June 22, 2012, 05:12:35 pm
What kind of armors are Kuyaks then, thought they were Viking armors?
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 22, 2012, 06:23:03 pm
What kind of armors are Kuyaks then, thought they were Viking armors?

Russian armors worn from the 13th century up until the 17th century, the ones in game look like they are from the 13th century.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on June 22, 2012, 06:31:18 pm
Well in (some) defense to the kuyak fashion fail trolls the russian closed helms (which are supposedly paired to that armor) do not go well with it. I think they are more suited for the scaled/lamelar versions of the russian armors. So there isnt realy much to choose from when you want to be historicaly accurate for a helm in a combination with the kuyak.

Imo the nordic heavier ones look decent with it, if you can go past the historical inacuracy and forget that kuyak isnt your typical viking gear. I base that on the popular media influence of portraits of viking "berserkers" with animal skin/fur on their armor and the Kuyak is the closest representation of that in this mod.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 22, 2012, 06:41:48 pm
Yea, wearing the kuyak with a Nordic helmet is in no way as much of an eyesore as seeing them worn with a klappvisier or Winged great helm, i see what you mean by them sort of matching the 'berserker' theme. however personally I would get annoyed that in every server I go in there is a minimum of 4 or 5 people with that exact same boring 'barbarian' look.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: BlindGuy on June 22, 2012, 06:44:23 pm
I didnt understand why it was so heavily used untill I checked kuyak armour values. They are insane, it is essentially a pretty crappy llamellar cuirass, but I checked all the armours by value: If you want GREAT armour, just make a model, it will get insane stats by devs, just as the rus llamellar does now..2 points off coat of plates...for crappy llameller. This is ragepost mainly, since I know armours real life protection vs game is random bullshit. Proof of this: Brigandine in the form worn ingame was developed to be an IMPROVEMENT over coat of plates, yet is has worse armour rating ingame. ROFL
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 23, 2012, 11:12:22 am
1. Berserks are a myth.
2. In the myth, they are naked or wear plain fur coats, not armor.

I fail to see how a Kuyak makes anyone feel like a berserk.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 23, 2012, 02:11:40 pm
I fail to see how a Kuyak makes anyone feel like a berserk.

blame hollywood!
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Adamar on June 23, 2012, 02:48:12 pm
1. Berserks are a myth.
2. In the myth, they are naked or wear plain fur coats, not armor.

I fail to see how a Kuyak makes anyone feel like a berserk.

Because it has fur on them.


Since when does this comunity cares about historical accuracy?
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 23, 2012, 02:56:29 pm
Because it has fur on them.


Since when does this comunity cares about historical accuracy?

You play archer right? If so...

Kind reminds me of the old classics:
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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Adamar on June 23, 2012, 03:34:04 pm
I dont get it.

Are you suggesting that archers didn't exist?
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 23, 2012, 03:42:47 pm
I dont get it.

Are you suggesting that archers didn't exist?

Not at all, yes, of course they existed, but in this kind of capacity:
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notice how they are aiming upwards, not like your average Legolas cRPG archer.

Anyway that's for another thread, this is about equipment.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Adamar on June 23, 2012, 04:26:16 pm
Archers didn't just shoot loosely into a mass of enemy infantry. Consider sieges or skirmishers.
In fact, use common sence before suggesting that archers couldn't aim at their targets.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 23, 2012, 04:35:56 pm
Archers didn't just shoot loosely into a mass of enemy infantry. Consider sieges or skirmishers.
In fact, use common sence before suggesting that archers couldn't aim at their targets.

I don't recall typing "archers can't aim at targets".  Mainly it's that every single archer is a robin hood and the engine allows that, so you should be thankful that it does, because if we brought realism into it then...well, ya know, maybe my 62 head armor would finally do what it's meant to do and stop being invisible to arrows.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 23, 2012, 07:47:05 pm
1. Berserks are a myth.
2. In the myth, they are naked or wear plain fur coats, not armor.

I fail to see how a Kuyak makes anyone feel like a berserk.

1. Berserks are most likely, not a myth, from what I've read.

There are numerous references in the more factual saga's, and they are often referenced as the Chieftain's personal guard.  From my observation, they seem to possibly be a precursor/earlier version to the later viking age bearded/two-handed axe guards seen among the late viking age, vikings and saxon armies, who where a more organized, uniformly outfitted and more group tactic prepared, personal retinue/body guard  of the War leader in question.  The extent of these late viking age 'axe guards' are often exaggerated, such as the Jomsvikings etc, but it is pretty well accepted, that the Saxon army of Harold Godwinson, probably had the finest example of these 'axe guards'. Its also of note, that, 1066/hastings seems to be the high point of the 'axe guard' and from this point on, they became secondary and then all together gone, replaced by heavier Cavalry, heavier armor, and longer polearms, and battle tactics that no longer could use them effectively. Atleast in the west. Its likely that the bearded axe continued on as an infantry weapon, but as a trained broup, and bodyguard, they seemed to fade into history.

2. They are also not always referenced as purely naked or in furs.  They where as referenced, more likely to go into battle less armored, and to cast away thier shields and helmets etc, at the proper time, in order not to exhaust themselves more.

3. There are references (I believe by the romans) of Continental Germanics from an earlier age, related to the Vikings, belonging to an Odinic/Wotanic cult, that, painted themselves black, and went into battle in such a way, but, the references in the later saga's, do not refer to berserks uniformly going into battle unclothed/in furs only, or even lightly armored, in some cases.  You may have seen an example of these earlier Wotanic berserkers in TW barbarian invasion, and Europa barborum.



Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Germanicus on June 24, 2012, 03:38:27 am
watch some porn
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 24, 2012, 09:27:15 am
watch some porn

That's good advice but only if you're the kind of guy that likes to take advice off somebody who's still a virgin  :wink:
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 24, 2012, 11:10:34 am
hehehe
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Adamar on June 24, 2012, 03:58:49 pm
franzi doesn't like to watch porn.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 24, 2012, 04:03:19 pm
1. Berserks are most likely, not a myth, from what I've read.

There are numerous references in the more factual saga's, and they are often referenced as the Chieftain's personal guard.  From my observation, they seem to possibly be a precursor/earlier version to the later viking age bearded/two-handed axe guards seen among the late viking age, vikings and saxon armies, who where a more organized, uniformly outfitted and more group tactic prepared, personal retinue/body guard  of the War leader in question.  The extent of these late viking age 'axe guards' are often exaggerated, such as the Jomsvikings etc, but it is pretty well accepted, that the Saxon army of Harold Godwinson, probably had the finest example of these 'axe guards'. Its also of note, that, 1066/hastings seems to be the high point of the 'axe guard' and from this point on, they became secondary and then all together gone, replaced by heavier Cavalry, heavier armor, and longer polearms, and battle tactics that no longer could use them effectively. Atleast in the west. Its likely that the bearded axe continued on as an infantry weapon, but as a trained broup, and bodyguard, they seemed to fade into history.

2. They are also not always referenced as purely naked or in furs.  They where as referenced, more likely to go into battle less armored, and to cast away thier shields and helmets etc, at the proper time, in order not to exhaust themselves more.

3. There are references (I believe by the romans) of Continental Germanics from an earlier age, related to the Vikings, belonging to an Odinic/Wotanic cult, that, painted themselves black, and went into battle in such a way, but, the references in the later saga's, do not refer to berserks uniformly going into battle unclothed/in furs only, or even lightly armored, in some cases.  You may have seen an example of these earlier Wotanic berserkers in TW barbarian invasion, and Europa barborum.

Right, except that the first time berserks are mentioned is in a poem written by a guy known for inventing words to make his poems more poetic. Then they aren't mentioned again in a looooooong time.

The most credible explanation for berserks i've heard is that they were formed by criminals given a chance to redeem themselves in battle. This would also explain why they didn't have proper equipment, and thus had to rely on drugs to make them more resilient to damage.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 24, 2012, 05:22:47 pm
franzi doesn't like to watch porn.

Jeez you kids, one day when you enter a real woman it will all become clear, you may even respec on cRPG and stop being an archer too once you do the deed!
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Adamar on June 24, 2012, 05:41:19 pm
Actually most crpg players are infs.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 24, 2012, 05:53:52 pm
Actually most crpg players are infs.

Yeh, the ones you could probably enjoy having a beer with irl.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Vingnir the Wanderer on June 25, 2012, 12:37:52 am
Right, except that the first time berserks are mentioned is in a poem written by a guy known for inventing words to make his poems more poetic. Then they aren't mentioned again in a looooooong time.

The most credible explanation for berserks i've heard is that they were formed by criminals given a chance to redeem themselves in battle. This would also explain why they didn't have proper equipment, and thus had to rely on drugs to make them more resilient to damage.

Yeah, you have some valid points 4sure. I think we can probably agree, that they were exaggerated if not completely fabricated.

The whole outlaw status too, sounds somewhat believable, especially when you put several of the saga's sources on them together, and look at them. I've had that thought myself tbh.  All though, outlaws where not denied weapons, so i'm not sure there's a connotation between the outlawry and the lite-armed situation. I might add it may have something to do with the difference between upperclass military fighting, and lower class thuggery/grappling so to speak,  and how to kill someone versus how to form a battle line and hope you survive... Many men, (and probably men that where outlawed) where outlawed, for local killings, and of lower social status, perhaps the fighting style demanded an amount of freedom of movement not found with a coat of mail on?  Anyway, interesting to think about...

I just read the wiki, i hadnt before, interesting, as it refers to what both of us are saying, rather than one idea against the other.


Honestly, I thought originally that you were saying they didnt exist at all, but I read you wrong  :P
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: rufio on June 25, 2012, 01:01:40 am
i wear lordly lammelar gauntlets, nordic warlord helmet, lordly heavy kuyak, rus splinted greaves / mail chausses, a mw german gs and a plain cav shield. THIS is crpg, not a historycally accurate game atall howevermuch u want it. iam  nord! and my kuyak keeps me warm
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 25, 2012, 08:42:22 pm
It also keeps you homosexual. Well worth it in these homophobic times.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 25, 2012, 08:44:01 pm
i wear lordly lammelar gauntlets, nordic warlord helmet, lordly heavy kuyak, rus splinted greaves / mail chausses, a mw german gs and a plain cav shield. THIS is crpg, not a historycally accurate game atall howevermuch u want it. iam  nord! and my kuyak keeps me warm

4th from end.

http://imgur.com/a/UW6gl#0
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Gurnisson on June 25, 2012, 09:26:14 pm
I don't see the problem, really. Let them dress how they like. :|
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Germanicus on June 25, 2012, 11:50:01 pm
I don't see the problem, really. Let them dress how they like. :|


its annoying and ugly
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Germanicus on June 25, 2012, 11:52:35 pm
Right, except that the first time berserks are mentioned is in a poem written by a guy known for inventing words to make his poems more poetic. Then they aren't mentioned again in a looooooong time.

The most credible explanation for berserks i've heard is that they were formed by criminals given a chance to redeem themselves in battle. This would also explain why they didn't have proper equipment, and thus had to rely on drugs to make them more resilient to damage.



uhm, they didi it becaus eof their beliefs, (runes,gods at those stuff) they thought they were be unkillable, they charged in done (or tried atleast) to do some  damage and (tried) to run then away alive but mostly they died or if they came out they died because of the wounds
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: zagibu on June 25, 2012, 11:56:01 pm
uhm, they didi it becaus eof their beliefs, (runes,gods at those stuff) they thought they were be unkillable, they charged in done (or tried atleast) to do some  damage and (tried) to run then away alive but mostly they died or if they came out they died because of the wounds

Yep, that's exactly how they are portrayed in popular films and books. And it's also probably mostly rubbish.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: rufio on June 26, 2012, 03:15:54 am
It also keeps you homosexual. Well worth it in these homophobic times.

only thing very homosexual about this thread= people utterly whining about peoples outfits, like wtf is this thread aboot, what the actual fuck, like think for a sec what youre typing about and complaining about, like just for a bit, and then think if it will change enything, and then think again, and then hopefully you will have an apiphany and realise like what the fuck am i whining about,..( btw that picture of me in the hall of shame is epic look at how cool i look, my god the outfit is so slik and finished and im in a badass pose, my god i will become even more famous now )
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Laufknoten on June 26, 2012, 03:32:29 am
I fail to see how a Kuyak makes anyone feel like a berserk.
It's not the Kuyak, it's their masterwork danish lightsaber of compensation that makes them feel like an invincible He-man.

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Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 26, 2012, 11:08:16 am
only thing very homosexual about this thread= people utterly whining about peoples outfits, like wtf is this thread aboot, what the actual fuck, like think for a sec what youre typing about and complaining about, like just for a bit, and then think if it will change enything, and then think again, and then hopefully you will have an apiphany and realise like what the fuck am i whining about,..( btw that picture of me in the hall of shame is epic look at how cool i look, my god the outfit is so slik and finished and im in a badass pose, my god i will become even more famous now )

It's by no means a whine thread, get it right, that's why it's in the "realism" section, which is there so that people can post ideas or thoughts on what they think is unrealistic on cRPG.

And no, you look ridiculous.

I don't see the problem, really. Let them dress how they like. :|

Pretty much this, because people will dress how they like, but still, some cool coding where only certain items are pickable once you choose your main armor in-game would be a cool little bonus imo...never gonna happen though  :?
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Bobthehero on June 26, 2012, 11:29:11 am
Of course, this is c-rpg after all, where you can take whatever equipement you want* and play the way you want.


*Except heavy armor, because that is heresy.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Everkistus on June 26, 2012, 11:54:38 am
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I use this when I feel like a Christmas tree.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: rufio on June 26, 2012, 04:37:05 pm
It's by no means a whine thread, get it right, that's why it's in the "realism" section, which is there so that people can post ideas or thoughts on what they think is unrealistic on cRPG.

And no, you look ridiculous.

Pretty much this, because people will dress how they like, but still, some cool coding where only certain items are pickable once you choose your main armor in-game would be a cool little bonus imo...never gonna happen though  :?

youre a retarded hypocrit phil, same like all other in this thread, go ride arround on siege walls on an arabian warhorse more , circlejerk thread
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 26, 2012, 06:11:29 pm
youre a retarded hypocrit phil, same like all other in this thread, go ride arround on siege walls on an arabian warhorse more , circlejerk thread

Cool input there...

Say's on your profile that you're 24 years old.

Well you certainly fooled me.

Edit: A hypocrite would mean that I also wear Kuyak with non-matching items (which I do not), as stated in the OP, so i'm not really sure why the insult.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: rufio on June 26, 2012, 08:44:53 pm
so the kuyak is now the only item that cannot match eny other items bases on historical accuracy >>?? yes you are indeed as retarded as i stated. if you gonna bash on the kuyak might aswell bash on enything else that isnt historicly accurate, that is my point, you are all hypocrites on this topic. pointing out you riding on an arabian bred warhorse while in whatever knightly outfit is also inaccurate, thus fuck you why am i typing here, i already stated my point.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 26, 2012, 08:47:52 pm
so the kuyak is now the only item that cannot match eny other items bases on historical accuracy >>?? yes you are indeed as retarded as i stated. if you gonna bash on the kuyak might aswell bash on enything else that isnt historicly accurate, that is my point, you are all hypocrites on this topic. pointing out you riding on an arabian bred warhorse while in whatever knightly outfit is also inaccurate, thus fuck you why am i typing here, i already stated my point.

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Arrival in Europe

Probably the earliest horses with Arabian bloodlines to enter Europe came indirectly, through Spain and France. Others would have arrived with returning Crusaders[97]— beginning in 1095, European armies invaded Palestine and many knights returned home with Arabian horses as spoils of war. Later, as knights and the heavy, armored war horses who carried them became obsolete, Arabian horses and their descendants were used to develop faster, agile light cavalry horses that were used in warfare into the 20th century.[76]

Another major infusion of Arabian horses into Europe occurred when the Ottoman Turks sent 300,000 horsemen into Hungary in 1522, many of whom were mounted on pure-blooded Arabians, captured during raids into Arabia. By 1529, the Ottomans reached Vienna, where they were stopped by the Polish and Hungarian armies, who captured these horses from the defeated Ottoman cavalry. Some of these animals provided foundation bloodstock for the major studs of eastern Europe.[113][114]

Take a breather, this thread is making you rage too much, you needn't have even posted here in the first place if that was going to be your only input: i.e. rage and insults.

Ok now more sensible reply, based on the fact that this thread is in the realism section, for people who want to discuss realism, here goes...short and sweet:

European knights used arabian horses.

Russian army, the ones who wore Kuyak, didn't wear klappvisiers, nordic helms, bucket helmets etc etc.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: rufio on June 26, 2012, 09:07:36 pm
so they were brought back as spoils of war.... that didnt happen with enything else? the problem with this thread is you make a wall of shame , bash people using the gear they think suites well together+ is in theyr clan theme ( yes i know kuyak is officialy russian, but we nords consider it suitable nord look) whine about shit not being historicly accurate, wishing for code to force people into wairing suiting armors, yes you do tic me off, and yes i do partially rage at that shit. i guess il leave you guys to circle jerk about how innacurate crpg is. good luck with stating the constant obvious, and stroking eachother on howmuch time you put into digging into the past. QQ out
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Gurnisson on June 26, 2012, 09:09:55 pm
No one dears to put a picture of Tor here in the fear of getting crushed every time they're on the same server :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 26, 2012, 09:15:37 pm
No one dears to put a picture of Tor here in the fear of getting crushed every time they're on the same server :mrgreen:

Actually I did get one but didn't include it cos of that very reason :p

He is Tor afterall.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: Gurnisson on June 26, 2012, 09:18:39 pm
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 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 26, 2012, 09:38:20 pm
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 :mrgreen:

xD

Must be a tincan who travelled to Japan ala Tom Cruise style and came back a bigger jerk than he already was.
Title: Re: Items that were never, ever, worn with a...
Post by: polkafranzi on June 26, 2012, 09:49:14 pm
so they were brought back as spoils of war.... that didnt happen with enything else? the problem with this thread is you make a wall of shame , bash people using the gear they think suites well together+ is in theyr clan theme ( yes i know kuyak is officialy russian, but we nords consider it suitable nord look) whine about shit not being historicly accurate, wishing for code to force people into wairing suiting armors, yes you do tic me off, and yes i do partially rage at that shit. i guess il leave you guys to circle jerk about how innacurate crpg is. good luck with stating the constant obvious, and stroking eachother on howmuch time you put into digging into the past. QQ out

lol I missed this gem of a post.

Can I just say, this thread was not made to make people rage and most people posted here posted either a) some relevant screens or b) just their opinion whereas you bring c) a wierd obsession with all the homosexual undertones to your posts, d) too much rage for what it's worth e) childish insults

Now these things you write like "circle jerking eachother" e.t.c. have absolutely no effect on me, I actually find it mildly amusing but i know that tonight I will sleep that little bit better knowing I got some random guy on the internet to get all hot under the collar protecting his beloved barbarian style.  If you have nothing to bring to the table, don't come to the party  :wink:

and just for fun, here's a quick look at some hall of famer's:
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locking this now, thanks to all those who contributed, the tincan with weaboo hat is the winner, mod is...