cRPG
cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: The_Bloody_Nine on March 29, 2011, 02:33:29 pm
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As i've said several times before, I couldn't care less for gens and heirlooms. I retired once pre-patch due to a faulty build but thats it. Right now I have 3 chars that I'm playing (all around lvl 29) and I very much enjoy to switch between them if I got bored of one. Sure I wouldn't mind having some better items but I never would constantly invest so much time for it, time I rather spend with playing and having fun than "grinding" for the next lvl respectively next gen.
So whats this about? - simple: I'd like to know if there are others thinking similar around here and why and how much, or why others do think heirlooming is so important. Resently I read in chat someone saying: "Man, how I will love the day when I got everything heirloomed I need for my set and finally can simply play." Is that the appeal of heirlooming? cant be, or not?
Note: This is not a whine/complain/rage/whatever-thread against heirlooming. Might be that there are some problems with the current system (ultra high gens= higher lvl possible?, beginner-unfriendly, disadvantage for perma-genones...) but in general I think it should be (and is right now) possible to make crpg suitable for both types of players (Me and everyone else? :|).
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I think retirement is important because i like some kind of progress.
The reason i'm playing CRPG instead of native, is that i like seeing my char become better when i play.
I like to feel that something happens instead of just lvling once every 10 weeks.
that is why i think heirlooming and gens are important
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I have 3 1/2 high level chars (one is mid level), of which only one is gen 3, pre patch. I have one heirloom (which if I could chose to do it over, I would) and I have massive FUN at the game.
After trying out different play styles and builds, I find I have currently the ones I like best, so I am not too motivated to retire and level up the exact same build. Even though admittedly I would love to have some heirloomed weapons for that extra edge in battle.
Simply put: I am hoping for heirloom trade to come out for me to get the items I want - maybe someone will sell them to me. Or I get over my lazy self and retire my old ass... we shall see.
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Well maybe you spoke to vicious or something. But ignore him, he has no life (and how do you kill that which has no life?). :wink:
I've been playing for a very long time now and 'only' retired 6 times. I also have a few alts, which i've never retired. Some of my clanmates have retired dozens of times.
I've had a long period pre-patch where i decided not to retire anymore, because the generation xp bonus by itself just wasn't appealing for me. That, and i was just getting started with the tactics and flags, so my higher level (i think i was 42 or 43 or something) helped me survive all the attention i got carrying that red flag around trying to lead the troops.
I might retire again and maybe improve my shield a bit or something. Or maybe i'll spend some more time on my alts.
I can understand that with three level 29 characters, heirlooming doesn't seem appealing yet. That's fine! But i bet after a few more months of playing, that you might just consider retiring again a few times. But don't feel like you have to!
The great thing about the heirlooming system is: you don't need to retire. If you want to and enjoy the challenge of having a lowbie character once every few weeks, heirlooming is great. I've tried almost every build i wanted to try. I've heirloomed my horse three times (which i do admit really does seem worth it) and i've heirloomed my weapon three times. So i'm happy.
What i like about the heirloom system is this: you don't need to retire, but it does give you something to strife for if you've been playing for a very long time.
Don't get fooled into thinking you need heirlooms. You don't. But get them if you enjoy a challenge and don't mind being 'weak' again for a bit. And don't get caught up in the 'i must heirloom every item i use' crazyness, unless you enjoy that kinda thing. It's a LOT of grinding. Don't do it for the advantage. Do it because you want the variation. Or limit your heirlooming goals to something realistic and healthy.
Eventually, you might just heirloom every item you use. Or you might not. But don't feel like you need heirlooms to win, because really... you don't. Teamplay > gear. And skills > gear.
Instead, if you feel the game is becoming boring, try leading the troops. Do some tactics. Spend some time lugging those flags around and making plans with your teammates. It will entertain you for many more months, i bet. It works for me. :)
P.s.: the one thing i dislike about heirlooming is this: it does kinda make you use the same heirloomed items a lot. The effect is more psychological than rational, but somehow using a unheirloomed sword loses it's appeal now that i have my masterwork scimitar. Which is too bad, because i did enjoy searching for the right sword. I still have a dozen swords in my inventory, but never use them anymore.
Edit: P.P.S: however, i really do enjoy looting heirloomed weapons on the battlefield. Sometimes, when i'm on foot, i pick up a masterwork side sword. That's fun. Or i get lucky and find a champion sarranid horse. That's exiting. I even tend to pick up stuff like a masterwork flamberge or a masterwork pike, even though i'm not proficient in two handers or polearms on that caracter. So looting heirlooms on the battlefield is awesome. I even hunt certain players (sorry kingrimm :twisted:) because i know they carry items i want (like his heirloomed huscarl shield).
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So looting heirlooms on the battlefield is awesome. I even hunt certain players (sorry kingrimm :twisted:) because i know they carry items i want (like his heirloomed huscarl shield).
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Thanks for the answers. well said, phazey, its about the same what i'm thinking about the issue. Probably youre right and some day i will retire again, who knows. The poll is nothing totally unexpected, but its good to know not everybody is focused so hard on gens and looms like I got the impression.
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I play 3 different alts so gens and heirs dont matter so much to me.
Makes a big difference though, and must admit to wanting a masterwork German Sword but will not grind to get it - I'll only play when I'm enjoying it.
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I'll only play when I'm enjoying it.
Good attitude. I find it odd when people get frustrated by 'the grind' yet keep playing. Seems unhealthy.
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I voted number three. Strategus you will not be able to use them, and I for one play to ahve fun, and could care less about the heirlooms. The only character I have that actually cares about the heirlooms is my archer, because everytime I heirloom the bow I can take 1 less PD the next gen.
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I voted number three. Strategus you will not be able to use them, and I for one play to ahve fun, and could care less about the heirlooms. The only character I have that actually cares about the heirlooms is my archer, because everytime I heirloom the bow I can take 1 less PD the next gen.
You know I keep hearing people say that you won't be able to use heirlooms in strategus, and pre-patch that was true, but chadz was saying he wanted to make cRPG and Strategus more interconnected and that the whole strategus design is being completely revamped where your main character's cRPG gold is also your Strategus gold, etc. Who is to say you won't be using your heirloomed items as a mercenary with a completely redone strategus and cRPG?? Supposedly you build/create your own weapons now with the upcoming strategus and you will be able to trade heirlooms with other people for gold or different heirlooms.
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I retired really often and beside playing with clanmates its the only thing which keeps me playing, while waiting for strategus. I played many different builds to find out whats my favorite, so its not only about heirlooms...
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As i've said several times before, I couldn't care less for gens and heirlooms. I retired once pre-patch due to a faulty build but thats it. Right now I have 3 chars that I'm playing (all around lvl 29) and I very much enjoy to switch between them if I got bored of one. Sure I wouldn't mind having some better items but I never would constantly invest so much time for it, time I rather spend with playing and having fun than "grinding" for the next lvl respectively next gen.
So whats this about? - simple: I'd like to know if there are others thinking similar around here and why and how much, or why others do think heirlooming is so important. Resently I read in chat someone saying: "Man, how I will love the day when I got everything heirloomed I need for my set and finally can simply play." Is that the appeal of heirlooming? cant be, or not?
Note: This is not a whine/complain/rage/whatever-thread against heirlooming. Might be that there are some problems with the current system (ultra high gens= higher lvl possible?, beginner-unfriendly, disadvantage for perma-genones...) but in general I think it should be (and is right now) possible to make crpg suitable for both types of players (Me and everyone else? :|).
+1 to that my freind
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I really hate levelling up again. And i don't see the point in having 1 damage more. Can anyone explain? I mean, do 144 hours over again... really?
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Really all you need to heirloom is your weapon, everything else is a plus. Of course it adds up and gives a little advantage but nothing maior.
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Retirement and heirlooms are pretty much the one thing keeping the player base still here, now strat is down and you cant level grind there is really no aim left other than to retire and get heirlooms in the long run.
Obviously you aim to have fun and enjoy the game while doing it but ATM thats the end game.
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Retirement and heirlooms are pretty much the one thing keeping the player base still here, now strat is down and you cant level grind there is really no aim left other than to retire and get heirlooms in the long run.
well thats exactly the point, I don't care for no "aim". And its totally Ok for me if you and others are "still here" because of retirement and heirlooms, but according to these posts here you are not the player base.
Obviously you aim to have fun and enjoy the game while doing it but ATM thats the end game.
Sorry, but I dont get what you mean. the end game?
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Retiring is a ton of fun and it makes playing this game a ridikkulos amount give me sexy items. I rather enjoy changing my build around all the time as well ^_^.
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Without heilooms this mod would be dead, It would be kinda boring if you would have reached your maximal potential at lvl 30.
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I love the heirlooms, as stated above, it makes me feel somewhat good when i run around with my mw german and lordly heraldic mail with tabard, withstanding quite some arrows/hits, even tho i do not run around in the armor all the time, i enjoyed creating it.
Trying out new specs without the need to create new char is also sexy, i am usually retiring to try new spec/tweak out the one i play the most so it could fit my playstyle the most. And having an item improved in the process is just the cherry on top of a pie.