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Title: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2012, 04:42:33 am
It is VERY annoying that the best looking bow (longbow) is 3 slot. It sucks. I miss my maul/bastard sword sidearm so much. Horn bow is better bow in practise and it gets to be 2slot, how come ?
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Saatana on June 11, 2012, 07:01:05 am
What are you talking about? Longbow is 2 slots... Though it does suck balls.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: bagge on June 11, 2012, 07:46:22 am
:idea:

trololol
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Uumdi on June 11, 2012, 09:18:47 am
Ammo included you mean?  Silly goofy goof.

I agree though, battle axes and flamberges were the go-to offhands.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Rebelyell on June 11, 2012, 10:49:37 am
bow and arrows = 3 slots
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2012, 11:29:40 am
bow and arrows = 3 slots

Exactly, bow without arrows isnt a weapon, so longbow + ammo = 3 slots.

Ammo included you mean?  Silly goofy goof.

I agree though, battle axes and flamberges were the go-to offhands.

Well, spamberge is unsheathable, so no worries there, and maybe a way needs to be found so the Poleaxe archers dont come back I guess, I dont miss that, but I play every day pretty much, and the whole time I am so sad...I just want to be able to have my bastard sword and longbow, and sometimes my nice wooden maul. Check Taleworlds forums, 1 month or less after each peasant wars, I would be tackling tincans with my longbow and maul. Less probs cause maul always been cheep and cheerful weapon....damn I miss it SO MUCH. Gonna offer my longbow on market for Yumi right now I guess....but its SO ugly...
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Miwiw on June 11, 2012, 11:53:24 am
And Mace/ Langes Messer isn't a solution for you? You probably won't like the Yumi, not many people use it.  :|
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Bulzur on June 11, 2012, 12:47:45 pm
Both Mace and Langes Messer are truly awesome weapons. For just 1 slot.

And... i was disapointed in this thread, i actually thought it was to create a "5 PD 2 slots not usable on horseback" bow, for the dedicated 5 PD infantry archers. :(
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2012, 01:25:56 pm
And Mace/ Langes Messer isn't a solution for you? You probably won't like the Yumi, not many people use it.  :|


Mace is....cant even describe how bored I am of seeing it, I used to use it WAY back when, before slots and upkeep as a main weapon, knocked many tincans to their death, now its mainstream and fucking boring.


Langes messer is...ok, but it is essentially shit: the greatsword 2handed hold is ugly and stupid, the model is horrid, and the way it hangs in space, magically floating next to you is redunculous


Both Mace and Langes Messer are truly awesome weapons. For just 1 slot.

And... i was disapointed in this thread, i actually thought it was to create a "5 PD 2 slots not usable on horseback" bow, for the dedicated 5 PD infantry archers. :(


Both those weapons suck balls, and all archers have pd 6 and use longbow and warbow. Unfortunatly, there are many ppl with bows and either pd 5 or 6 who ARE NOT archers, they are some stupid Elf from fantasy movies, running and shooting, its SO disgusting, makes me rage when they are around, hate it so much that devteam has made it NOT ONLY possible to do this, but almost a requirement, since there are no non-fugly crapanese ways of being an archer anymore, archers shoot and then fight, it is documented in countless historic works, archers stand with the infantry, soften enemy, then once the infantry meet, archers pull out weapons and help to gank. But No, not here, here they must be ethiopean runners, fucking gay elves, its tarded.

I generally try to stay away from massively popular/op combos, and nothing in the world is gonna make me buy a kuyak, or a greatsword, or make a 18/24 running elf (f)a(g)cher, and I guess I must continue to propose that horse bows ONLY be usable on horseback, the wpf curve be changed so archers can fight, and some way to stop archers from being such stupid kiters.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Saatana on June 11, 2012, 01:52:06 pm
I don't even carry melee weapon. Shoot -> run -> shoot -> run -> shoot... is the way to go.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Miwiw on June 11, 2012, 01:53:31 pm
is the way to go.

the way you go is to ruin the archer's reputation, you make other classes QQ and the devs do nerfs because of that.

thanks!
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Boerenlater on June 11, 2012, 03:22:32 pm
Take a good 1hander like the Iberian mace, that thing is a beast.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2012, 04:59:49 pm
I try to make my archer like a longbowman from 16th century. So I have masterwork short sword. If I had know they were going to add a sheath for Broad Short Sword (aka Sword of Whine) I would have loomed that instead. But no, maces dont fight the rp, and I really really hate this:

I don't even carry melee weapon. Shoot -> run -> shoot -> run -> shoot... is the way to go.

Did that long ago, before even the slot system, used to go siege, as attacker I could walk into castle, all the way to flag, just shooting everyone, archery was OP then for sure. I was first permapeasant archer, and I just miss the ultimate peasant 2hander, the maul. It looks good, is cheap, makes nice sound, knocks knights off their horses and to the ground, but I have to use it on an alt and that makes me sadface. I refuse to go back to kite archering, its so unrealistic, unbalanced, and over everything else, its...its just SO gay.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Saatana on June 11, 2012, 05:04:50 pm
the way you go is to ruin the archer's reputation, you make other classes QQ and the devs do nerfs because of that.

thanks!
Okay, I was joking. I do try to avoid melee though untill I run out of arrows, or if I am the last one in the team. Sometimes I just go in melee with my hammer for fun. Also we do have 2 slot bows... I usually use rus bow, but sometimes I just grab horn bow and 3 stacks of normal arrows and kill them enemy archers. It's easier to kill enemy archers that way than with rus bow IMO. Since you can shoot faster and spam the shit out of them with 3 stacks of arrows.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Phew on June 11, 2012, 06:03:56 pm
What about Fighting Axe in 2h mode? >100 reach with most swings, breaks shields, fast and hits harder than most 1h swords.

Or a 1-hander, with or without the 0-slot buckler. Archers have plenty of options. Embrace the slot system; I myself remember having an Arbalest+bolts, a long maul, and a pike all equipped at once. That was utterly stupid.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Adamar on June 11, 2012, 06:12:46 pm
Limit quivers to 1 per player, increasing the amount of arrows in the process, and reduce the accuracy penalty from armor.

That's all the class needs to be ballanced in itself.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2012, 06:21:45 pm
What about Fighting Axe in 2h mode? >100 reach with most swings, breaks shields, fast and hits harder than most 1h swords.

Or a 1-hander, with or without the 0-slot buckler. Archers have plenty of options. Embrace the slot system; I myself remember having an Arbalest+bolts, a long maul, and a pike all equipped at once. That was utterly stupid.

There is no combination of weapons I have not tried, remember I was here from 1st peasant wars, seems so long but it was only a couple of years. I just want the longbow to be 2 slot, currently it is 3 slot and that sucks. When the slots came in, I actually stopped playing for bit, then spent next 3 months of playing just trying to find something I liked...kinda have it but...longbow really needs to be reduced to 2 slots same as hornbow, give it a reason for excisting, all those archers you see do well with it, they would do immesurably better with rus bow, longbow really has no purpose.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Miwiw on June 11, 2012, 06:33:44 pm
Limit quivers to 1 per player, increasing the amount of arrows in the process, and reduce the accuracy penalty from armor.

Not to more than 18 though, also 20 if loomed (not sure about the number, arrows should be used wisely and not spammed). That should be enough.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2012, 06:36:10 pm
Not to more than 18 though, also 20 if loomed (not sure about the number, arrows should be used wisely and not spammed). That should be enough.

You can take 27 with a quiver of +3 arrows. But you wont kill anything but peasants with those :D
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Rico on June 11, 2012, 08:21:38 pm
Try Tatar or Horn bow. On masterwork, 2 hits for light armored, 3-5 for medium or heavy armored while using Arrows +3 with an 18/18 build. Very short reload time, this are actually ordinary bows. If you want more damage, accept that you have more arrows and a 0-slot melee weapon or less arrows and a 1-slot melee weapon. If you do not accept this, you should play as a crossbowman.

I do not see why you are complaining.

Btw, no expirience with the Yumi so far. The stats do not look bad tbh. Just test it as well :wink:

And please, do not limit the number of quivers archers may bring. Why should they not be allowed to bring as much arrows as they want? Adal and me often use a 1 slot bow to bring 3 quivers of bodkins, tatars or barbed arrows. Why do you think about restricting this?
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Adamar on June 11, 2012, 09:38:35 pm
I do not see why you are complaining.

The longbow is pointless when compared to others.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Leshma on June 11, 2012, 09:45:23 pm
It would be awesome if they changed number of slots taken by certain weapons like bows, xbows, trowing and spears when used with a shield.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 11, 2012, 10:01:14 pm
Well, spamberge is unsheathable, so no worries there, and maybe a way needs to be found so the Poleaxe archers dont come back I guess.
Make certain weapons (greatswords, gmauls, longmauls, poleaxes, shit like that) 3 slot?
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 12, 2012, 12:26:23 am
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Again, I have been playing this longer than you, I have tried every combination you can even imagine and several more. The fact that you think it is ok to take a stupid horsebow and 3 quivers shows you really are a scumcunt. No offence, I'm sure you think your a great person, but kiteing is just NOT OK. Archers need to be able to stand their ground and fight. Currently I think only 3 of us do this. Tenne is a well sung hero of this. I have been doing it for 2 years. But it needs a buff. Kiters need a massive nerf. This is a game about fighting.

Balance-wise: Kiteing needs removing. Realism-wise: Kiteing needs removing.

The fact that crossbows reload so fast and fire so accurately is a whole other issue.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Havoco on June 12, 2012, 01:54:35 am
Sidearm slot? One that would enable you to carry another weapon but not of the same class?
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Tot. on June 12, 2012, 01:57:27 am
Limit quivers to 1 per player
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Jarlek on June 12, 2012, 04:23:33 am
Limit quivers to 1 per player, increasing the amount of arrows in the process, and reduce the accuracy penalty from armor.

That's all the class needs to be ballanced in itself.
Small quiver: 0-slot and few arrows.
Normal quiver: 1-slot and same number as now.
Large quiver: 2-slot and 1.5 as what 1 quiver has now.

These items would work wonderfully together with only 1 quiver per person.

Use weapon racks to refill if you really need it (no weapon rack? Shamefur dishpray!)
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Gurnisson on June 12, 2012, 06:06:44 am
Make certain weapons (greatswords, gmauls, longmauls, poleaxes, shit like that) 3 slot?

Funny that 2 out of 4 mentioned already is 3 slots. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 12, 2012, 06:42:38 am
Funny that 2 out of 4 mentioned already is 3 slots. :rolleyes:
lol, should've bothered checking the slots before posting, but yeah, make those 2 STAY 3 slots  :mrgreen:, and btw, really ain't 2 out of four when the other two I mention are weapon classes.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: OpenPalm on June 12, 2012, 06:50:42 am
There are 2 slot bows... Horn bow and Tatar bow are pretty baller. 
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Rico on June 12, 2012, 11:35:09 am
Again, I have been playing this longer than you, I have tried every combination you can even imagine and several more. The fact that you think it is ok to take a stupid horsebow and 3 quivers shows you really are a scumcunt. No offence, I'm sure you think your a great person, but kiteing is just NOT OK. Archers need to be able to stand their ground and fight. Currently I think only 3 of us do this. Tenne is a well sung hero of this. I have been doing it for 2 years. But it needs a buff. Kiters need a massive nerf. This is a game about fighting.

Balance-wise: Kiteing needs removing. Realism-wise: Kiteing needs removing.

The fact that crossbows reload so fast and fire so accurately is a whole other issue.

Who says that I am kiting? When our clan is on EU_2, there is enough reliable infantry in my team so that I just do not have do kite or fight in melee. I can stand between them as a supporter without any melee deaths. Bows can be like a pike which is unblockable for people without shields. Furthermore, my build will be 15/21 I will have 144 wpf in archery and 100 in 1handed, which I will use to carry a onehander when only a small part of the clan is online. The build that knows how defend itself. Hey, and don't even think about complaining that 144 archery is not enough! I have only 5 PD and consequently a low penalty, I know what I do.

Crossbows are not another issue and I never mentioned the reloading speed being to high, did I? I am just saying that you can't have the speed benefit of the bow expecting to be as accurate AND as strong as a crossbowman. For more damage, use an arbalest, this is all I am saying.

The longbow could be a bit better, I do not know. But Nikodin is doing well with it, same as Winter. In an archer duel, the disadvantage is always on your side when you have such a slow bow, except you know very well how to move.

By the way, noone cares since when we have been playing this game. But in all the time you have been playing it, you obviously haven't learned how to discuss adequately in the forum. Can nobody post his opinion without being offended? (The well known "no offence, but..." does not make it better.) All of us would have understood what you wanted to say without that crap:
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The fact that you think it is ok to take a stupid horsebow and 3 quivers shows you really are a scumcunt. No offence, I'm sure you think your a great person, but kiteing is just NOT OK.

Thank you. Sorin.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Rico on June 12, 2012, 11:42:18 am
Not to more than 18 though, also 20 if loomed (not sure about the number, arrows should be used wisely and not spammed). That should be enough.

No. Using a crossbow is about using your ammo wisely. Archery is not. Saracen archers knew how to shoot 3 arrows in 1.5 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggDfJLB8jTk). I am sure they had more then 1 quiver on their horses.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Jarlek on June 12, 2012, 04:25:12 pm
No. Using a crossbow is about using your ammo wisely. Archery is not. Saracen archers knew how to shoot 3 arrows in 1.5 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggDfJLB8jTk). I am sure they had more then 1 quiver on their horses.
So let horses be able to stash quivers then? When you're running on foot, 1 quiver.

And besides, those shots are "easy" shots where you barely pull the string back. Good for shooting fast but you don't have very little velocity and it has almost no piercing ability. Would barely pierce cloth.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 12, 2012, 05:30:35 pm
So let horses be able to stash quivers then? When you're running on foot, 1 quiver.

And besides, those shots are "easy" shots where you barely pull the string back. Good for shooting fast but you don't have very little velocity and it has almost no piercing ability. Would barely pierce cloth.


Theres no point trying to argue with him Zapper, you say to him a+b is c, and he will reply W! W! (eg. he replies with unrelated, offtopic shit) He has some very bad tunnel vision, and seems to base his arguments on siege mode, which is pointless since realistically, noone who plays siege more than battle should even be allowed an opinion, its such a boring zerg mode where thought and tactics dont enter into it. One team zergs, the other camps flag, any other plans are fail. Also, hornbow is a horse bow, I'll leave it to horsemen, as I have said before, that bow needs the tag "Only usable on horseback", it tarded that you can run with that massive sheath hung on you.

as to this:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggDfJLB8jTk).
That kid using a 10 pound bow doesnt have a clue about archery, watch his fucking left arm FFS, he has never fired a non-kiddie bow else he wouldnt fling his left hand forward with the shots, doing that would quickly destroy your elbow joint, probably fuck your spine aswell. Loosing a 90+ pound bow is matter of balance and form, you dont spam arrows unless firing into massed groups of infantry, because arrows do NOT grow on trees. Historically, only slingers spammed, and thats because their ammo was either rocks, or if using metal ammo, could be very quickly made since it is a single cast, NOT like arrows, which need 1/ shafts making, time consuming before machinery 2/ Fletching, time consuming for 2 reasons, the process is fairly difficult and you need feathers with also need prep and a bird, and 3/ Heads, which need casting and then attaching. Archers NEVER spammed arrows, they may have fired fast into massed formations, but since we dont have 10k armies fighting 10k armies, it does not apply.

Anyway, back to topic: Longbow needs to be 1 slot, because without arrows it is simply not a weapon, so combined with arrows to be 2 slot. Archers need to be limited to 1 quiver, 27 arrows is enough.
Title: Re: Please, please, can we have 2 slot bows!?
Post by: Rico on June 15, 2012, 09:52:43 am
Ahm, no!
Lars Andersen is the world champion in speed archery, not a kid, bro :wink:
Still, nice try :lol: