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Title: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Juhanius on June 06, 2012, 08:41:48 pm
Yesterday noticed that getting kills and hitting target was really hard. I started shooting on wall point flank range to see whats wrong, maybe wpf is too low...not. Problem seems to be in new Eu1 server. When shooting  bow in this server arrow tend  lean wierdly to right. Why is this happening?  Eu4 and Na servers dont have this same problem. 


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Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on June 06, 2012, 08:50:07 pm
Zerobot has also been complaining that arrows stray to the right.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Dalhi on June 06, 2012, 08:50:39 pm
You have to take a correction for the wind.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Adamar on June 06, 2012, 08:53:27 pm
You have to take a correction for the wind.

Why does the wind affect only arrows?
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Leshma on June 06, 2012, 08:57:50 pm
Throwers have been complaining as well, dunno about xbowmen.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 06, 2012, 08:58:48 pm
I can confirm this.Arrows stray into ridiculous directions away from the target.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: bruce on June 06, 2012, 09:00:47 pm
I thought I noticed something stranger then usual with my light crossbow. But it is a often random weapon so I didn't know if it was a server thing or no.

Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Juhanius on June 06, 2012, 09:07:26 pm
Thanks for confirming this! Hope they fix this soon.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Bjord on June 06, 2012, 10:01:51 pm
Cool, they added wind.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Arrowblood on June 06, 2012, 10:08:36 pm
haha  arrows will only fly so wrong in hurricanes :lol:
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: LordBerenger on June 06, 2012, 10:09:52 pm
Cool, they added wind.

Now we need sniper scopes.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Momo on June 06, 2012, 10:54:28 pm
Archery is fine now, thanks for the nerf devs!
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Adamar on June 06, 2012, 11:15:41 pm
Archery is fine now, thanks for the nerf devs!

ha ... ha
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: cmp on June 06, 2012, 11:16:45 pm
Found the bug, not yet sure what causes it.
Working on a fix ATM.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: LordBerenger on June 06, 2012, 11:26:13 pm
Found the bug, not yet sure what causes it.
Working on a fix ATM.

PM me when ur gonna add scopes for Xbows.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: bosco on June 06, 2012, 11:28:03 pm
PM me when ur gonna add scopes for Xbows.

Don't forget the bipods.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: cmp on June 06, 2012, 11:39:57 pm
Fixed, will take effect after next server restart. It was affecting melee too (slightly wrong positioning), just harder to notice.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Horst_Kurmoottaja on June 07, 2012, 12:02:22 am
Thx for quick fix cmpx 8-)
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: XyNox on June 07, 2012, 01:30:50 am
I might add that ghost arrow rate is ridiculously high on EU1. The other day I shot 4 arrows at someone from close range which all clearly ghosted through his torso. On the other hand I didnt notice anything wrong with the accuracy so far or it might be the path my arrows take I SEE was only client side, while server side it flies into another direction. Also for the people who didnt try yet JUMP SHOOTING IS POSSIBLE ON EU1 WOOOOO.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Juhanius on June 07, 2012, 12:10:07 pm
thx cmpx :lol: Arrows finding targets again like they should.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 07, 2012, 12:16:08 pm
In case you didn't notice, the jumpshot appears to be back. Cmp was this meant to be or is it just another bug?
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: cmp on June 07, 2012, 12:40:53 pm
It's "intended" (i.e. I didn't implement the jumpshot fix yet).
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Pejlaen on June 07, 2012, 01:56:30 pm
They does strife to the right, I dont know if it's an intentional feature or something weird, but if it's an try to implement wind into the game I think it kind of failed and needs to be reworked abit.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Ronin on June 07, 2012, 02:43:28 pm
I think I better retire and forget playing as a ranged class in crpg. Dear God! It is even fuckin hard without these bugs.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Corsair831 on June 07, 2012, 02:47:52 pm
Yesterday noticed that getting kills and hitting target was really hard. I started shooting on wall point flank range to see whats wrong, maybe wpf is too low...not. Problem seems to be in new Eu1 server. When shooting  bow in this server arrow tend  lean wierdly to right. Why is this happening?  Eu4 and Na servers dont have this same problem. 


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it's a new feature to make archery more difficult.

they've already decreased accuracy
reduced missile speed
reduced missile damage
changed damage from pierce to cut
increased draw time
reduced hold time
decreased allowed arrows
made it so archers cant wear armour
made it so unarmoured archers die in 2 bumps
gave everyone else except archers 70 body armour so they take 15 arrows to kill

this latest feature seeks to nerf archery even harder by actually making every 1/3 arrows just dissapear. it's like, it was in real life, when god intervened and removed arrows.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: cmp on June 07, 2012, 02:51:32 pm
And that's 3 people who don't know how to read.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 07, 2012, 02:54:17 pm
It's "intended" (i.e. I didn't implement the jumpshot fix yet).
Ah ok. I just saw Blackbow the pimp jumping out in happiness after someone told him that the jumpshot is back. I don't mind, let him hop in false sense of freedom for a while and implement the fix when you are ready :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Ronin on June 07, 2012, 02:57:03 pm
And that's 3 people who don't know how to read.
If I am among those 3 people, then you are right. But I do not need how to read to understand how frustrating ranged classes are. Grabbing a lance, or twohandedgiganticswordofepicness and slashing everyone on my path is 3 times easier and 3 times more effective. Since I can still satisfy my ranged hunger in other mods, why am I even bothering?
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: djiffou on June 07, 2012, 04:49:22 pm
Well, this explains that! I knew I could not be that bad an archer... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: bruce on June 07, 2012, 05:12:57 pm
I thought being ranged was all about randomly pointing crossbow at group of people, pressing fire and praying feverishly. You people actually aim?  :shock:
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Spleen on June 07, 2012, 06:34:50 pm
Well no, you just pick an direction and hope for someone to be there at the moment your attack hits.

tbh It's very much like 2h without blocking
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: XyNox on June 07, 2012, 07:41:40 pm
Actually your primary attack as ranged is to shoot 90° high in the air and hope itll fall on someones head. When it hits a popup window will open where you have to roll 3 dices.

3-17 pips will cause the arrow to ghost through the target, not connecting with his hitboxes, 18 means it is registered as a hit.

Rolling dices takes 15 seconds though and you have to remain motionless during this time, otherwise you will get a disconnect. If you actually hit somebody the game will force a random player on the enemy team to start a poll ban and an archer whine thread is automaticly created on the forums.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Spleen on June 07, 2012, 07:47:02 pm
Yeah, but the auto qq thread function is bugged tbh, it only works 70% of the time tbh
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: bruce on June 07, 2012, 09:47:40 pm
Well being a crossbowman has it's epic moments, when you ride up to a stopped lancer, push your crossbow in his back so you cannot possibly miss, fire, and 10 seconds later someone randomly dies on the battlefield from the bolt.

Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on June 07, 2012, 09:48:29 pm
my throwing is really off. and have you slown down the time in between two throws? my guy looks like he's checking the weapon first before throwing!  :evil:

ps : my jarids drop like if they were heavy throwing axes and i swear i saw my jarids sway to the right in mid air, im going mad  :evil:
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Glando on June 07, 2012, 10:17:48 pm
I have played the CRPG mod for a fair while now and never complained about anything on here.But today after improving alot with a bow recently I played on the NEW EU1 and I was absolutely useless.Aiming was almost impossible.Hope its just a minor problem with the new servers stability.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on June 07, 2012, 10:30:09 pm
ok im not mad, i swear i see my jarids sway to the right in mid air!!
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: bruce on June 07, 2012, 10:37:35 pm
They all say that.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 07, 2012, 10:39:15 pm
There is a difference between a bug report and a whine... I think...

OP good job in reporting bug. XyNox "good" job in whining. Atleast this somehow looks really bitter post to me:

Actually your primary attack as ranged is to shoot 90° high in the air and hope itll fall on someones head. When it hits a popup window will open where you have to roll 3 dices.

3-17 pips will cause the arrow to ghost through the target, not connecting with his hitboxes, 18 means it is registered as a hit.

Rolling dices takes 15 seconds though and you have to remain motionless during this time, otherwise you will get a disconnect. If you actually hit somebody the game will force a random player on the enemy team to start a poll ban and an archer whine thread is automaticly created on the forums.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Adamar on June 07, 2012, 10:40:16 pm
Throwing is fine, fix the rest  :o
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on June 07, 2012, 10:59:46 pm
to sum it up here is what i get :

slow animation to get my throwing weapon in throwing gear

insane drop on throwing, i aim over enemie's head it lands at their feet

weapon swaying to the right in mid air!
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 07, 2012, 11:27:37 pm
to sum it up here is what i get :

slow animation to get my throwing weapon in throwing gear

insane drop on throwing, i aim over enemie's head it lands at their feet

weapon swaying to the right in mid air!
l2throw you noob, btw, I'm Lactose_The_Intolerant, give me your throwing lances or I keep the name.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Bjord on June 07, 2012, 11:31:13 pm
Zlisch least popular guy(gay) 2012?
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Bulzur on June 07, 2012, 11:33:49 pm
Oh, so that's why i didn't understand how i could have teamhitted that guy yesterday.
I thought it was just me being bad, the usual.

Thanks for the quick fix cmp. Hopefully, the jumpshot's will follow quickly.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: STOPHammerTime on June 07, 2012, 11:36:24 pm
to sum it up here is what i get :

slow animation to get my throwing weapon in throwing gear

insane drop on throwing, i aim over enemie's head it lands at their feet

weapon swaying to the right in mid air!

I have noticed the same thing, it just doesnt feel right.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: XyNox on June 08, 2012, 12:36:02 am
There is a difference between a bug report and a whine... I think...

OP good job in reporting bug. XyNox "good" job in whining. Atleast this somehow looks really bitter post to me:

But you actually DO know that it was cynicism and there is not really said popup window in the game, do you ? DO YOU ?  :)
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 08, 2012, 12:47:56 am
But you actually DO know that it was cynicism and there is not really said popup window in the game, do you ? DO YOU ?  :)

You've gotta ask yourself one question "Do I feel lucky?". Well do ya, punk!?

I know there is not windows in game. Maybe it is your avatar or something that makes me assume that still, even with the humor value of your post it is still just a whine in disguise :D.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Leshma on June 08, 2012, 08:27:30 pm
Some things are back like they were long time ago, right?

Jump shot was possible, maybe it's still possible?

Headshot damage is like it was before the buff, I haven't died from a headshot recently and I have only 41 head armor. Am I right?
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Arrowblood on June 08, 2012, 08:29:25 pm
 I shot people with mw longbow and mw bodkins in the face(plate) and they dont die.
But jumpshot is back, but rarely used.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Meow on June 08, 2012, 08:31:06 pm
At least there is still cav speed bonusing into my headshots :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on June 09, 2012, 01:23:31 pm
my jarids sway to the right in mid air

but now they sway back to the left making it completly random!!!

where is the remote control of these things?
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Leshma on June 09, 2012, 03:51:34 pm
I shot people with mw longbow and mw bodkins in the face(plate) and they dont die.
But jumpshot is back, but rarely used.

Yesterday I was wearing 65 body armor, 5 of 6 arrows that hit me in the body took about 10% of my HP. It seems that archers deal low damage these days.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Gurnisson on June 09, 2012, 04:11:20 pm
Yesterday I was wearing 65 body armor, 5 of 6 arrows that hit me in the body took about 10% of my HP. It seems that archers deal low damage these days.

Damage is very random and archery with no heirlooms and hybrid investment is a joke. I remember arrows bouncing off my good old armor set (+3 studded leather over mail and +3 mail gauntlets when they gave +14 armor) and my 30/9 build.
I also remember Cup1d taking 50 % off my health when I had 27 strength, 9 IF, lordly mail shirt and lordly mail mittens. I was standing still and took an arrow to the torso from the same height, he used +3 horn bow and +3 bodkins.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Bulzur on June 09, 2012, 04:47:52 pm
I also remember Cup1d taking 50 % off my health when I had 27 strength, 9 IF, lordly mail shirt and lordly mail mittens. I was standing still and took an arrow to the torso from the same height, he used +3 horn bow and +3 bodkins.

Cup1d ? I haven't seen him in a while.
Anyone else amazed by how little damage arrows do ?
I managed to 4 hit an arabian warhorse, without killing it, with +3 horn bow and +3 tatar arrows. It did died at the fifth arrow (not from me but another archer), but i believe only 2-3 arrows were needing before (depending on speed bonus or head shot).

But i guess it's just a placebo effect, since there's no mention of an archery change in the patch ntoes (thought there's no mention of the weird effets of throwing either, mind you)
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Arrowblood on June 09, 2012, 04:49:39 pm
Only Hs with mw bodkins and  mw longbow are frustrating.
Title: Re: Archery broken in new Eu1 server
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on June 09, 2012, 09:17:39 pm
did xbows get buffed? xbowers where always complaining they couldnt one hit a peasent with triple loomed xbow and bolts. got one shot to torso in lordly palace and with lordly gauntlets

ps : just got shot for 80% hp with a shot in the arm! really?