Taken from "unban:Kulin_ban" in the "closed request" :
The no weapon rule doesn't make sense for Rageball, given that it's entirely possible not to have a weapon and still be the guy who contributes the most (score wise as well). Rules updated
Just because you don't score more than other players doesn't mean your contributing less. the ability to dispossess someone or to prevent them from moving into space is very important to defensive play. Without a weapon you are significantly less helpful to your team, unless you are playing in goal. Really narrow minded and stupid way of looking at the subject and is only going to encourage leeching when the oh-so-active admins aren't around.
FYI cmp plays a lot of rageball. :rolleyes: He has alts, you know...
Also, it's pretty easy to see if someone is leeching, because he will not be contributing to the game or trying to win.
If i see some naked guy running around, making good passes and helping out... you know, playing the game... than that should be fine.
If i see someone autorunning into a wall, it's not.
The distinction is easily made.
Also, keep in mind that the 'don't spawn with no weapons' rule is not effective against leeching at all. Someone can spawn with a stick but still be a leecher.
Bottom line: it's not about what you are wearing but what you are doing.
Just because you don't score more than other players doesn't mean your contributing less.
the ability to dispossess someone or to prevent them from moving into space is very important to defensive play.
and is only going to encourage leeching when the oh-so-active admins aren't around.
So i can be naked with no weapon, as long as i make good passes when i have the ball and when i'm not dead ? So... 10% of the time if i lack athletics ?
What i don't like with cmp rules, is that people will say "Look, it's written IN THE RULES, that it's not considered leeching even if i don't have weapons."
Whereas i'll prefer having "No leeching, get a weapon." And, eventually, admins in the server or the population can decide that, indeed, that guy is very usefull even with his club, etc...
You know how there's people who'll jump in any loop they find, even if the great "first rule common sense" is here. I just don't like reading in the almighty rules :" OK, running around naked with no weapon in rageball as long as you make good passes."
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Just because you don't score more than other players doesn't mean your contributing less.
I'm sure the guys who play deathmatch in the corner are convinced of that.
the ability to dispossess someone or to prevent them from moving into space is very important to defensive play
So is the ability of shooting one from range and stopping him when there's no one close. Does that mean having a ranged weapon is mandatory?You can't agree to the fact ranged weapons, especially throwing and archery is VERY powerfull in rageball. And you'll also see that most good archers there also have a backup melee weapon, with wich they spawned. Because they know holding off one raging good opponent can help their team.
and is only going to encourage leeching when the oh-so-active admins aren't around.
Yes, and it's gonna increase child mortality and crime rate (i.e. stating facts without figures to back them up)
So i can be naked with no weapon, as long as i make good passes when i have the ball and when i'm not dead ? So... 10% of the time if i lack athletics ?
I could claim it works 50% of the time, but then I would be pulling numbers out of my ass like you just did.
What i don't like with cmp rules, is that people will say "Look, it's written IN THE RULES, that it's not considered leeching even if i don't have weapons."
Whereas i'll prefer having "No leeching, get a weapon." And, eventually, admins in the server or the population can decide that, indeed, that guy is very usefull even with his club, etc...
Thanks for your concern, but leave rule enforcing to those who enforce the rules and have been doing so for months.You mean the ones that just lost Lansamur as a good admin, saying that most of them are slacking off ? That seems like a reasonable choice.
You know how there's people who'll jump in any loop they find, even if the great "first rule common sense" is here. I just don't like reading in the almighty rules :" OK, running around naked with no weapon in rageball as long as you make good passes."
Your concern is noted, but the playstyle you describe is entirely legit.The purpose of this thread was to know how many players find it not legit. Or even admins. You had your vote, and even if i know how useless most polls are, i'd still like to know how many are also sadenned by that "new" rule.
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Great argument, really. A guy can get great scores even when he has a cudgel. But he's also deadlier if he carries a greatsword. Thus he should always have one... see where I'm going with it?
So you're comparing not scoring in rageball as being afk in a corner in battle ? Let's follow that train of thoughts : is someone with a 0/5 k/d ratio in battle useless ? Even though he wounded 10 ennemies, killed 5 horses, and holded 7 people ganking him (making two died from teamkilling eachother) ? No, but he has a 0/5 k/d ratio.
What's with a 0 points in rageball ? He's a good defenders, always managing to kill attackers, so that midfielders can't pass to them, and have to pass backward or loose the ball.
He's a good attacker, killing the defence/the goalie, thus enabling a good scorer to easily score. That's reality.
You can't agree to the fact ranged weapons, especially throwing and archery is VERY powerfull in rageball. And you'll also see that most good archers there also have a backup melee weapon, with wich they spawned. Because they know holding off one raging good opponent can help their team.
Of course it's not mandatory, but it's definitely usefull if you have one in your team.
Honestly, i believe it's more enclined to increase leeching than mortality. But here we see your great irony, thinking it can destroy arguments where you can't bother finding a flaw.
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Sorry for the "10%" then. Let's forget about probabilities, since you don't like them. LEt's play with roleplaying : you're a ninja. With a katana and a 8 athletic build. You see on your side the "oh-so-good pass/scorer" with no weapon, running towards your goal, you see a tincan on your left side, slow, and doing bad passes. Who you're gonna kill ? You can waste 5 second reaching the unarmed, killing him with ease, and still be back at the defence in time.
I see no reason to leave an unarmed opponent alive if he can be dangerous. Especially since it's an easy kill. So they're efficiency is likely to drop. But they're active, so no problem, and you don't count deaths, so we can't see it's the 100th time (oh, look, another number from my ass) he died.
You mean the ones that just lost Lansamur as a good admin, saying that most of them are slacking off ? That seems like a reasonable choice.
Sorry for even trying to help, making it easier for the remainign admins...
The purpose of this thread was to know how many players find it not legit. Or even admins. You had your vote, and even if i know how useless most polls are, i'd still like to know how many are also sadenned by that "new" rule.
I never spoke about a guy who can get great scores with no weapon though. Since i doubt it'll happen.
But the point was, you sometimes want to be effective, and have more fun being usefull to your team. A weapon gives you that. And it's not like it's such a burden.
Finally, if you don't see any problems with people in rageball going naked and unarmed, then i'll just make a topic asking for a decrease of gold gain. It's already super easy gaining quick xp and gold in rageball when playing as a team, if you also don't have to worry about repairs, then it's a real gold mine.
And not balanced at all with battle, or even siege. (Siege do give good rewards to big organized team, but the organized team brings expensive weapons and armor for that result). Since you don't need gear for rageball, then reduce incoming gold. Money sink is needed, but giving away free gold won't resolve it either.
Making comments like this isn't going to help a constructive discussion either is it?
Really narrow minded and stupid way of looking at the subject and is only going to encourage leeching when the oh-so-active admins aren't around.Hey man, just wanna say, OMG! OMG! OMG! You're right! Now I can finally leech in rageball without worrying about the 0gold repair from my practice dagger!!!
It's fun to play with Cirilla and Xynox. I love my archer.
I'm fine with the naked part, you sacrifice armor for mobility, and are still usefull. But the "i won't bother paying upkeep when others are paying it for me, let's loot.", i do have problems.
Make rageball server forced armor and weapons. Ranged shod be forbidden on rageball server.
Red and blue tunic + cudgel for everyone.
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