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Title: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Legio_vel3n0 on May 15, 2012, 08:28:38 pm

why I should lose half of my experience when my class was heavily nerfed?? and I can not change the points as I want?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Miwiw on May 15, 2012, 08:30:14 pm

Why do kids drink?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Momo on May 15, 2012, 08:31:02 pm

Quote from: Miwiw99 on May 15, 2012, 08:30:14 pm

Why do kids drink?

Dunno.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Loar Avel on May 15, 2012, 08:34:05 pm

Have you been raped by a donkey?



If not, it's still not developer abuse.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Lord_Panos on May 15, 2012, 08:34:53 pm

Quote from: Legio_vel3n0 on May 15, 2012, 08:28:38 pm

why I should lose half of my experience when my class was heavily nerfed?? and I can not change the points as I want?

You should be making  pasta instead of writing at the forum.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on May 15, 2012, 08:39:14 pm

Quote from: Legio_vel3n0 on May 15, 2012, 08:28:38 pm

why I should lose half of my experience when my class was heavily nerfed?? and I can not change the points as I want?

You don't? You lose it out of choice, nobody forced you to respec. You can? You just complained about that negatives that come with changing the points you want? You're answering your own questions here....

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Christo on May 15, 2012, 08:40:14 pm

What is this I don't even

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Bjord on May 15, 2012, 08:42:26 pm

itt: result from succesful nerf

Lots of HA rage here.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Christo on May 15, 2012, 08:51:44 pm

Was there a recent nerf that I missed?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Arrowblood on May 15, 2012, 08:53:30 pm

WHAAAAAAAAT?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Polobow on May 15, 2012, 09:10:00 pm

Quote from: Miwiw99 on May 15, 2012, 08:30:14 pm

Why do kids drink?

Alcoholic beverages or just drinking in general?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 15, 2012, 09:26:00 pm

Why can't I do anything I want with no repurcesion? I think of you bad game makers dont give me a free heirloom point for respec after you basically delete my class from the game,

your worse than einstein

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: _Tak_ on May 15, 2012, 09:27:50 pm

I agree, HA was nerf very badly and can't really kill anyone (Only good at horse killing nothing more). I used to be a HA but yea without high PD you cant really kill anyone at all.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Adamar on May 15, 2012, 09:29:17 pm

Is this a recent nerf?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: LordBerenger on May 15, 2012, 09:42:46 pm

Quote from: AlexTheDragon on May 15, 2012, 09:27:50 pm

I agree, HA was nerf very badly and can't really kill anyone (Only good at horse killing nothing more). I used to be a HA but yea without high PD you cant really kill anyone at all.

Get +3 Light Crossbow +3 Steel Bolts and a +3 Destrier or +3 Arab. 65 pierce with decent shot speed and decent accuracy and get like 170+ WPF

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: _Tak_ on May 15, 2012, 09:50:21 pm

Quote from: CountBerenger on May 15, 2012, 09:42:46 pm

Get +3 Light Crossbow +3 Steel Bolts and a +3 Destrier or +3 Arab. 65 pierce with decent shot speed and decent accuracy and get like 170+ WPF

true, crossbow needs a nerf to balance archery. Their bolts repair chance is much lower than arrows and accuracy for bow is extremely low

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Nessaj on May 15, 2012, 09:54:36 pm

You're all happy because they're hanging Horse Archers but it could be any of you other blokes next time, who will hang next?

This shouldn't surprise anyone at all, in the past plenty have suffered through class changes, one of the best cases being James from The Bright Knights (Nick and Clan censored due to potential repercussions), who simply doesn't have time to grind 24/7 to be able to participate in Strategus or otherwise events, he has a life and family. He stopped retiring very early though not decked out in looms, because simply he couldn't both level and participate due to his IRL engagements, BUT, suddenly the Crossbow class was changed, it could no longer use a 2hand weapon together with an Arbalest, no problem for those not past 31 who could just retire, but those who didn't have the time to grind 24/7 had to bite the bullet and retire completely wasting ALL time spent above 31 or waste half their XP, for nothing.

If there's any lvl 33+ HA's out there it must suck having to waste 50% of your XP - especially if you're of the type that can't play 24/7.

Not to mention if you should have a loomed bow that is now useless (?) - Something that also have happened a lot in the past, weapons are changed and made undesirable (or completely useless except for 'fun') - leaving players with useless items with zero resale value, items they spent a lot of hours procuring.

Evil... evil indeed...

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Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Gurnisson on May 15, 2012, 10:02:55 pm

So, what has happened? Last time I played HA it did not seem broken. :)

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Xant on May 15, 2012, 10:07:12 pm

I feel for everyone who has to respec at 33 or 34. Harsh times when you have to start fresh at level 32 or 33. I can't imagine the mental anguish.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Fartface on May 15, 2012, 10:12:38 pm

HA always sucked.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Adamar on May 15, 2012, 10:22:05 pm

I do remember the last archery nerf, when my longbowman became virtually unplayable. This sort of thing is stressful, but it comes with the territory. Nothing to do but hope that the devs ballance things out.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Nessaj on May 15, 2012, 10:25:10 pm

Quote from: Xant on May 15, 2012, 10:07:12 pm

I feel for everyone who has to respec at 33 or 34. Harsh times when you have to start fresh at level 32 or 33. I can't imagine the mental anguish.

Says someone who have used respec 800 times at level 30/31. You're in no position to comment on this at all. You're weak, sorry buddy. Honestly, in this regard you are. You'll suffer the same fate eventually as Lezard and Siiem exactly due to that. You're just looking for a "challenge" to argue and as you know normally I would be happy to accompany your needs so you won't wither away, but this time it'll be just explaining the point below - leaving you with the last word which I am sure you will want.

The point is that people are investing time into their characters, following the parameters of the game, set for them by the developers, but when those parameters change absolutely nothing is done to help those players.

Why should people be punished for choices made within the game design presented to them, changes players are not warned about prior to (claiming beta does not cut it after so long time).

I'm all for perma death, losing items, all that, extreme consequences where countless hours spent will be lost, but that has never been said, presented  or written anywhere here, nor would it make any sense to label 31+ game-play in any regards to that.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Bulzur on May 15, 2012, 10:32:35 pm

One question stands :
What the hell is the HA nerf he's speaking about ? Definitely not heard about it.

On another note, i still find HAs very interesting teammates, to shoot efficiently ennemy cavs, do some close range headshots, interrupt by riding over melee ennemies in duel, etc... No way is this class "useless".

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Xant on May 15, 2012, 10:32:57 pm

Well d'uh, the point is that I've respec like 800 times at 30/31. On the other hand some my old friend who's been sitting at 34 is in no position to comment on this underlined at all underlined. But it's because I'm italics STRONG italics and play the game as diversely as possible instead of sitting at level 34 and crying because if I respec I'll be level 33 and only have 9 more points to spend than the average joe (i.e get full riding/IF/WM and grab some shield skill as well or get more athl/PS). Yes, you lose more XP than someone respeccing at 31. You also gain more and your higher level will let you try another build, whatever you want, at a very high level.

I wasn't arguing that the way balancing is done isn't retarded, though. Just that respec is more or less fine (could use some light tweaks maybe- 40% xp lost at 33 instead of 50%, 30% at 34).

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: _Tak_ on May 15, 2012, 11:42:46 pm

Zlisch you don't really need to -1 on *Every* post i made, all i am saying is true, as a lancer i can top scoreboard, as HA i am at bottom of screen...

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Tot. on May 15, 2012, 11:49:56 pm

Quote from: Gurnisson on May 15, 2012, 10:02:55 pm

So, what has happened? Last time I played HA it did not seem broken. :)

What the hell did you do with your avatar? What's this? What happened to that chick scoping with a G3?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: cmp on May 15, 2012, 11:54:43 pm

Quote from: Bulzur on May 15, 2012, 10:32:35 pm

One question stands :
What the hell is the HA nerf he's speaking about ? Definitely not heard about it.

I'm curious about this as well.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Idzo on May 15, 2012, 11:57:40 pm

Quote from: cmpxchg8b on May 15, 2012, 11:54:43 pm

I'm curious about this as well.

Maybe he didn't played for long time...?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: LordBerenger on May 15, 2012, 11:59:16 pm

Quote from: AlexTheDragon on May 15, 2012, 09:50:21 pm

true, crossbow needs a nerf to balance archery. Their bolts repair chance is much lower than arrows and accuracy for bow is extremely low

HELL NAAW!

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Gurnisson on May 16, 2012, 12:12:14 am

Quote from: Tot. on May 15, 2012, 11:49:56 pm

What the hell did you do with your avatar? What's this? What happened to that chick scoping with a G3?

You drunk or something? :lol:

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Muki on May 16, 2012, 12:22:40 am

Quote from: Bulzur on May 15, 2012, 10:32:35 pm

One question stands :
What the hell is the HA nerf he's speaking about ? Definitely not heard about it.

Idk maybe he got worse

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 16, 2012, 02:28:26 am

Quote from: Nessaj on May 15, 2012, 09:54:36 pm

You're all happy because they're hanging Horse Archers but it could be any of you other blokes next time, who will hang next?

This shouldn't surprise anyone at all, in the past plenty have suffered through class changes, one of the best cases being James from The Bright Knights (Nick and Clan censored due to potential repercussions), who simply doesn't have time to grind 24/7 to be able to participate in Strategus or otherwise events, he has a life and family. He stopped retiring very early though not decked out in looms, because simply he couldn't both level and participate due to his IRL engagements, BUT, suddenly the Crossbow class was changed, it could no longer use a 2hand weapon together with an Arbalest, no problem for those not past 31 who could just retire, but those who didn't have the time to grind 24/7 had to bite the bullet and retire completely wasting ALL time spent above 31 or waste half their XP, for nothing.

If there's any lvl 33+ HA's out there it must suck having to waste 50% of your XP - especially if you're of the type that can't play 24/7.

Not to mention if you should have a loomed bow that is now useless (?) - Something that also have happened a lot in the past, weapons are changed and made undesirable (or completely useless except for 'fun') - leaving players with useless items with zero resale value, items they spent a lot of hours procuring.

Evil... evil indeed...

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First they came for the engineers, and I said nothing. Then they came for the Horse archers and I said nothing. Then they came for my pole arms and gave me lemons and I said, I DON'T WANT YOUR DAMN LEMONS! I DEMAND A REFUND I DIDN'T ASK FOR NO STINKING LEMONS! FUCK YOU AND YOUR LEMONS, I'M GOING TO GET MY ENGINEERS TO COME UP WITH AN INCENDIARY LEMON AND I'M GOING TO BURN YOUR FUCKING HOUSE DOWN WITH IT YOU FUCKING BASTARDZ!!!

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Nehvar on May 16, 2012, 02:34:33 am

OP got my hopes up only to have them dashed by cmp.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Overdriven on May 16, 2012, 02:35:14 am

Even I'm curious about this HA nerf?  :lol:

Seems the same as always for me, I suck on populated EU1 (paper horses + ranged + shit maps makes me rage), as soon as it hits about 50 players or EU4 I'll be raking them in. The same way I've always been as HA.

Is Vel3n0 just very out of date?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Tot. on May 16, 2012, 11:15:51 am

Quote from: Gurnisson on May 16, 2012, 12:12:14 am

You drunk or something? :lol:

What? But... I....  :|

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Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Meow on May 16, 2012, 02:47:12 pm

Probably a reaction to this since it was posted 8 mins later.

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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 15 19:40:18 2012

May 15 19:40:18 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   Hello, can I ask a favor?
May 15 19:40:31 .:Meow:.   as long as it is not about a name change, sure
May 15 19:40:58 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   no no
May 15 19:41:09 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   worse :)
May 15 19:43:02 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   you could reset my points? I am close to level 33 and I will not lose experience 1500k
May 15 19:43:09 .:Meow:.   nope
May 15 19:43:13 .:Meow:.   we don't do that
May 15 19:43:36 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   I know it's against the rules, but I'm asking you please
May 15 19:43:43 .:Meow:.   not gonna happen
May 15 19:44:40 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   why??
May 15 19:44:58 .:Meow:.   because we either allow that for everyone or no one and currently it's no obne
May 15 19:45:02 .:Meow:.   *one
May 15 19:45:13 .:Meow:.   we do not make exceptions for single players. a lot of people got the same problem you got right now
May 15 19:45:55 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   You hate me as HA? want to be a walk
May 15 19:46:12 .:Meow:.   I don't care about your class you will have to do this like everyone else
May 15 19:46:19 .:Meow:.   respec, retire or play on as you are
May 15 19:47:29 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   so again in a bit, if you're there, now I have to do a strategus battle
May 15 19:47:38 .:Meow:.   no need to come back
May 15 19:47:49 .:Meow:.   there won't be an exception
May 15 19:47:56 .:Meow:.   have fun with the strat battle
May 15 19:48:23 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   i don't have fun with this class...
May 15 19:48:34 .:Meow:.   then respec or retire
May 15 19:48:37 .:Meow:.   those are your options
May 15 19:48:47 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   i whant to leave only the point in the riding and HA
May 15 19:48:57 .:Meow:.   no need to go on dude
May 15 19:49:00 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   at lvl 33??? so crazy
May 15 19:49:00 .:Meow:.   we will not do it
May 15 19:49:10 .:Meow:.   it was your choice to play above 31 not ours
May 15 20:13:06 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   how did you become so severe?
May 15 20:14:18 .:Meow:.   it just nothing we do
May 15 20:14:26 .:Meow:.   not a decision on my end :P
May 15 20:19:04 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   you can not do anything? turn a blind eye? I'm desperate, the last nerf has eliminated the usefulness of HA, I burned 11 skill points, I just want to convert
May 15 20:19:20 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   take my money :P
May 15 20:19:25 .:Meow:.   nope
May 15 20:19:26 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   take my loom
May 15 20:19:37 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   but please do it
May 15 20:19:46 .:Meow:.   pretty much everyone who is above 31 asks this and it's not gonna happen
May 15 20:20:54 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   you're going to kill my real life :P (not true)
May 15 20:21:05 .:Meow:.   :P
May 15 20:24:12 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   I can sacrifice an alternative, though I am level 33?
May 15 20:24:33 .:Meow:.   nope 30 is the limit
May 15 20:25:09 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   site NOTspecified.... -.-
May 15 20:29:25 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   see u... please Think again
May 15 20:32:49 «---   Legio_Vel3no has Quit (Signed off)

Also some more stuff than titles will hit the auction market at some point ;)

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Vovka on May 16, 2012, 02:54:07 pm

Quote from: Meow on May 16, 2012, 02:47:12 pm

Also some more stuff than titles will hit the auction market at some point ;)

All Hail GM shop!  :P

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Christo on May 16, 2012, 03:44:11 pm

Quote from: Meow on May 16, 2012, 02:47:12 pm

May 15 20:19:04 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   you can not do anything? turn a blind eye? I'm desperate, the last nerf has eliminated the usefulness of HA, I burned 11 skill points, I just want to convert
May 15 20:19:20 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   take my money :P
May 15 20:19:25 .:Meow:.   nope
May 15 20:19:26 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   take my loom
May 15 20:19:37 .:Legio_Vel3no:.   but please do it

Admin bribing attempt lol.

Vel3no mate, you've just lost the very last bit of right you had to say, about pretty much anything at this point. =)
Scum.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Vibe on May 16, 2012, 03:51:56 pm

Bribery in Calradia? Preposterous!

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: chadz on May 16, 2012, 03:59:26 pm

I wonder what part of the world you are from when a failed bribe justifies as developer abuse.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: cmp on May 16, 2012, 04:00:25 pm

Quote from: chadz on May 16, 2012, 03:59:26 pm

I wonder what part of the world you are from when a failed bribe justifies as developer abuse.

No you don't. :lol:

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Adamar on May 16, 2012, 04:03:02 pm

I've been meaning to ask, why 2 supreme overlords?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: dodnet on May 16, 2012, 04:14:23 pm

Quote from: Adamar on May 16, 2012, 04:03:02 pm

I've been meaning to ask, why 2 supreme overlords?

Because everyone is schizophrenic here :mrgreen:

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: cmp on May 16, 2012, 04:21:55 pm

Quote from: Adamar on May 16, 2012, 04:03:02 pm

I've been meaning to ask, why 2 supreme overlords?

2? More like 5.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Molly on May 16, 2012, 04:23:53 pm

This. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE)

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Kafein on May 16, 2012, 05:35:03 pm

Meow you should have abused him in exchange for the free respec, if you are into that kind of things. It seems he does.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 16, 2012, 06:41:33 pm

Quote from: Nessaj on May 15, 2012, 09:54:36 pm

You're all happy because they're hanging Horse Archers but it could be any of you other blokes next time, who will hang next?

This shouldn't surprise anyone at all, in the past plenty have suffered through class changes, one of the best cases being James from The Bright Knights (Nick and Clan censored due to potential repercussions), who simply doesn't have time to grind 24/7 to be able to participate in Strategus or otherwise events, he has a life and family. He stopped retiring very early though not decked out in looms, because simply he couldn't both level and participate due to his IRL engagements, BUT, suddenly the Crossbow class was changed, it could no longer use a 2hand weapon together with an Arbalest, no problem for those not past 31 who could just retire, but those who didn't have the time to grind 24/7 had to bite the bullet and retire completely wasting ALL time spent above 31 or waste half their XP, for nothing.

If there's any lvl 33+ HA's out there it must suck having to waste 50% of your XP - especially if you're of the type that can't play 24/7.

Not to mention if you should have a loomed bow that is now useless (?) - Something that also have happened a lot in the past, weapons are changed and made undesirable (or completely useless except for 'fun') - leaving players with useless items with zero resale value, items they spent a lot of hours procuring.

Evil... evil indeed...

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Some sense of reason.

The game doesn't need massive nerfs.  It's been in development for over 2 years.  Most of the major balancing issues have been worked out.  No class in the past 6 months was so overpowered or unbalanced it required a major nerf.  Doing things like making black armor go from being one of the heaviest armors in the game, to a medium class armor was a huge dick in the mouth for black armor wearers (not that it affected me).  Doing things like changing requirements for horses fucks a lot of people over who have decided not to retire again.  You can argue that the change was necessary, but if that's the case, then let people get a free respec (you don't lose XP) when you make massive changes to classes or equipment that they possess. 

Seems like common sense.

Quote from: cmpxchg8b on May 15, 2012, 11:54:43 pm

I'm curious about this as well.

I'm assuming the one from months ago where you increased head damage and lowered body damage.  Maybe he hasn't played since then?   Just my assumption, I'm sure you guys have nerfed other things archery related a few patches back, but I wouldn't know.  My assumption is by that change alone you made some of the long type bows more useless, and the faster shooting bows were buffed indirectly because they can get off more shots aiming at the head?  Every nerf has wider reaching affects than just the class or item that's nerfed. 

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Bulzur on May 16, 2012, 06:57:31 pm

Quote from: CrazyCracka420

My assumption is by that change alone you made some of the long type bows more useless, and the faster shooting bows were buffed indirectly because they can get off more shots aiming at the head?

Actually, it was a balanced nerf for archery :
-long bow did much body damage, does less now, but still decent. Headshot kills.
-rus bow is a good overall bow. Body shots are sure to stun the target, headshot kills.
-Horn bow is a low damage bow, high speed. Body shots are close to useless, but more attemps for headshots.
All in all, it's pretty balanced.

And for an HA, going close range enables some decent headshots probability.


Problem with Veleno was, he's a faraway Horse Archer, rarely ever goes in melee range, thus does 90% body shots with an horn bow. So yes, he got nerfed. But he could easily change that by actually using his horse as a tank, going close enough to headshot easily, etc... But no.

Another possibility is, he got fed up of Horse Archery, wants to respec, doesn't want to loose his level, took the silly excuse of an archer nerf to ask for a free respec, didn't get it. Came whinning on the forum to have the sympathy of the community. Surely didn't get it.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 16, 2012, 07:44:56 pm

Quote from: chadz on May 16, 2012, 03:59:26 pm

I wonder what part of the world you are from when a failed bribe justifies as developer abuse.

Mexico (Or specifically, the top third of it).

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: Arathian on May 16, 2012, 08:03:45 pm

Quote from: chadz on May 16, 2012, 03:59:26 pm

I wonder what part of the world you are from when a failed bribe justifies as developer abuse.

Russia is my guess.

The only place corrupt enough for this to be normal but not corrupt enough to not have internet.

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: POOPHAMMER on May 16, 2012, 08:12:07 pm

there was a nerf recently?

Title: Re: DEVELOPPER ABUSE
Post by: _Tak_ on May 16, 2012, 08:19:04 pm

Quote from: Arathian on May 16, 2012, 08:03:45 pm

Russia is my guess.

legio = Italians