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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: zagibu on May 13, 2012, 12:45:19 pm
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This weapon feels kind of redundant. It must be one of the most underused weapons in the whole game. I literally NEVER see it on the battlefield. Therefore I propose to heavily rework it:
- Make it slow
- Give it Crushthrough
- Increase weight a bit
I know crushthrough is highly unpopular, but 2h has three different CT weapons, and polearms have only 1. The LHKM could be reworked into the cheaper, shorter, faster, weaker brother of the long maul.
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No. I used it, and had a better experience compared to long hafted spiked mace. It's fine as it is. Plus, Crushthrough idea is retarded.
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I've got Mighty LHKM, it's a good thingy as it is, without stupid and unrealistic crushthrough. Only one dissapoint me - I cant stop horse with blunt stab.
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long hafted maces were really popular more then year ago and maybe op. it got nerfed badly, lost speed rating and got the unbalanced tag. i think it could do with some extra weight if it gets the unbalanced tag
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long hafted maces were really popular more then year ago and maybe op. it got nerfed badly, lost speed rating and got the unbalanced tag. i think it could do with some extra weight if it gets the unbalanced tag
Yes, it was too good to have 42 blunt damage, 94 speed, Knockdown and balanced weapon with 138 length - it was +3 Long Hafted Spiked Mace.
Anyway, there are still plenty «too good» polearms - like LWA\GLA, Glaive or German pole or simple Poleaxe
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We need a Long Hafted Knobbed Spiked Mace.
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We need a Great Long Arming Hafted Knightly Knobbed Arabian Broad Spiked Nordic Heavy Shortened War Mace de Corbin.
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I've just noticed that it's longer than the long maul, so the crushthrough idea is probably not very good indeed. Maybe buff the long hafted blade, then? Make it a better weapon (and increase the cost), so that the two are a bit more different?
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Maybe buff the long hafted blade, then?
say what
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I occasionally use this weapon on my 15/24 samurai alt and it is just bad. Your actually probably better off using a quarter or iron staff.
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Perhaps your build is not very fitting for it. It's usefulness comes from the knockdown+long reach, which is something more suited for something like 24/15 (exact opposite of your build). I am saying lads, this weapon is good. I was very satisfied with it. I am not trying to say I am the best judge, but when a weapon is liked by one guy that means the weapon is ok and others probably didn't get the usage of it or couldn't adopt a good playstle with it.
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The reason this style of weapon is unpopular stems from the polearm animation it is very easy to block especially with the low speed rating and poor reach. The longer a polearm the more difficult it can be to judge blocking window and the devastating pauses and animation "flaws" can be.
This weapon should really be carried with another like the quarter staff so skilled or fast opponents are less of a threat.
It used to be a powerful weapon but even in native feels clumsy and too short giving it a little
more weight or reach really couldn't hurt
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say what
Sorry, I meant the long hafted mace, of course, to make it a bit different from the lhkm. Both weapons are kind of mediocre at the moment, and a rare sight on the battlefield. Maybe shift both a bit up in the tiers? Make them more expensive, but also a bit better? But not too good, I still remember the times the lhm was OP.
Perhaps your build is not very fitting for it. It's usefulness comes from the knockdown+long reach, which is something more suited for something like 24/15 (exact opposite of your build). I am saying lads, this weapon is good. I was very satisfied with it. I am not trying to say I am the best judge, but when a weapon is liked by one guy that means the weapon is ok and others probably didn't get the usage of it or couldn't adopt a good playstle with it.
I have a 24/15 polearm alt and use the long hafted mace sometimes, and I think it's kind of meh. I actually do better with two-directional spears or the hafted blades...
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I still think it doesn't suit your playstyle. Hafted blades are good weps, so is two directional. but those three are in different catagories. Long hafted knobbed mace excel at being good at knockdown. A guy suggested me looming it in a server (I don't remember his name). He said that long hafted knobbed mace was the knockdown master. After trying a non-loomed version, I had to agree with him. The weapon contain an undiscovered secret power.
Go and buff it, I don't care. You will be just buffing the nice guy I met and get owned by him more easily. I don't even know why I try to prevent this from happening.
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The weapon is just fine as it is.
Just because barely anyone is using it doesnt mean it needs to edited in any way. I used it as polearm-build and enjoyed every minute with it. And I even know someone who has a MW version of it.
I guess the main reason people dont use it, is actually cuz it doesnt look cool or nice. Pretty boring look... 8-)
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I still think it doesn't suit your playstyle. Hafted blades are good weps, so is two directional. but those three are in different catagories. Long hafted knobbed mace excel at being good at knockdown. A guy suggested me looming it in a server (I don't remember his name). He said that long hafted knobbed mace was the knockdown master. After trying a non-loomed version, I had to agree with him. The weapon contain an undiscovered secret power.
Go and buff it, I don't care. You will be just buffing the nice guy I met and get owned by him more easily. I don't even know why I try to prevent this from happening.
Knockdown chance is mostly based on weapon weight, so it can't be the knockdown master.
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Knockdown chance is mostly based on weapon weight, so it can't be the knockdown master.
What do you mean by that? It has more weight than warhammer, which is certainly enough for such a long, fast and good damage weapon. It looks bad on paper, but when it comes to usage; it's a great choice.
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Well, its bigger brother is heavier, thus better for knockdown. This is my whole point, the two pole maces are not different enough IMO.
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I agree the shorter weapon could be heavier if it's speed rating ws bought in line with the longer "lighter" hafted mace.
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We need a Long Hafted Knobbed Spiked dildo.
To fuck all those pussys with.
I'm sorry :{|
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Well, its bigger brother is heavier, thus better for knockdown. This is my whole point, the two pole maces are not different enough IMO.
Ehrm, but having more speed makes it an excellent weapon. 0.2 weight loss in comparision to 2 speed... Swing damage is also lowered by 3, but that is not as important as people think in my opinion. Of course you are free to choose long hafted spiked mace, but I liked the long hafted knobbed mace more and found it more useful. Both are knockdown masters, not to mention the power the heirloomed versions possess. Both are strong and are different.
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speed rating means very little for most polearms in the current evolution of the game.
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Bad idea mate, it is awsome weapon. Cav use it as side weapon when you are dismounted because it is cheap. It can knock down,very fast,cheap,blunt dmg.
Dunno why ppl don't use it,but i think it is because no one realy know how awsome weapon that is.
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I am not saying it's not good, it just doesn't feel very different from the long hafted mace. Both are more or less exchangeable.
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speed rating means very little for most polearms in the current evolution of the game.
Of course it doesn't