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Title: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Trippin on March 19, 2011, 03:55:55 am
I'm still leveling up my first character and I am debating between 21/15 and 18/18. I use a 2h (longsword). I am level 27 at the moment, and thus it would be best to decide soon. I would like to know how much more attack speed you gain from that little bit of extra agility.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: 1slander on March 19, 2011, 04:56:31 am
From what I have read in the last few days and also heard from asking ingame is that you no longer receive any weopon speed bonus from AGI only the ability to unlock the agi skills.  But yet one person said you do.  But that's one person against Everyone else so I figure you don't since patch like they said.  But who knows maybe that one person is right?  I myself have been wondering the same thing and keep making STR builds but really prefer an AGI build if it was viable.  At least STR gives you an extra HP, I seem to be outlasting people lately at about lvl 26'ish running the last half of matches with that extra shred of life still left from being high STR and IF where as normally I'd of died a long time ago.

Thing is if you're pure then the extra point in weopon skill is probably moot once you get that high to go 18 agi as it would really only add like 8 wpf - but hybrid I guess it would be worth it for sure.  But then you get to unlock another athletics, which afaik from reading other postings that is gimp past about 4 or 5 as well.  Especially if using medium and most of all heavy armor. 

What's your current build and weopon layout? 
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Goretooth on March 19, 2011, 04:59:14 am
battle char vs duel char.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Trippin on March 19, 2011, 08:53:18 am
I use a Longsword, Sarranid Elite armor, Barbutte, Lamelar (however you spell it) gauntlets, and mail boots. This is my build so far: visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Vexus on March 19, 2011, 11:09:26 am
No you don't need 18 agility unless you want the extra athletics longsword should be fast enough you have already 143 wpf and by 30 you will be 147 which is good.

If agility still increases attack speed it was 0.5% per point so 1.5% I would rather get more damage and health.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: [ptx] on March 19, 2011, 11:37:37 am
18/18 might be better for duels, whilst a 21/15 is generally better in a battle, where the extra damage and HP really helps.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Astinus on March 19, 2011, 11:40:11 am
27/15 without ironflesh at 31

EDIT: I failed, it's 27/15 not 24
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Punisher on March 19, 2011, 11:56:13 am
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
   
    * Strength: 24
    * Agility: 15
    * Hit points: 69

    * Converted: 8
    * Ironflesh: 5
    * Power Strike: 8
    * Athletics: 5
    * Weapon Master: 5

    * Two Handed/Polearms: 148

Might be weaker for duels but for battles I think this is the best build for a 2H or polearm user.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on March 19, 2011, 12:48:52 pm
longsword? Go 18/21
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Prpavi on March 19, 2011, 01:04:08 pm
go for 18/18 and then after 1st gen youll se what suits you better agi or str, anyways you probably gonna retire lots of time so experiment and have fun
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on March 19, 2011, 02:39:25 pm
longsword? Go 18/21

Agree.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Torp on March 19, 2011, 03:34:17 pm
i would chose either 18/21 or 15/24
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: 1slander on March 19, 2011, 05:05:08 pm
I don't entirely agree with spending more than 2 pts for conversion tbh.  That rounds you up to the 18/18 possibility or any other combination. 

I'm sure someone will disagree with this and see it as hostility thus giving me more troll points.  Since chadz has decided to dump the game and make troll points a fail feature I have gone from +6 to -18 in 2 days.  Sorry to all I have offended by having an opinion.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Banok on March 19, 2011, 05:26:57 pm
Im trying to decide my pure pa cav build i'm thinking 21/15

7 ps and if
5 wm, alth and riding

high agi is still useful on duel server but with new wpf forumulas and alth not really doing that much str is the way to be atm.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Havoco on March 19, 2011, 05:40:19 pm
Id prefer 21/18. Your gonna need the extra PS with that longsword.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Leesin on March 19, 2011, 09:14:26 pm
21/15 is good, 140+ wpf in a melee weapon with 15 Agi is plenty, there really isn't much need for more, at that point powerstrike has always been more beneficial. Longsword is my favourite 2h sword and that's pretty much the build I always went with and I always did well with it, it's already fast, you need higher damage.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Trippin on March 20, 2011, 12:23:22 am
What are the actual benefits of having more agility? How much attack speed do you gain? I don't think I'd put another point in weapon master even if I did 18 agility, and thus so far 21 strength seems like the route I would go. However, I think that attack speed is much more important as faster feinting means an easier time hitting people with shields.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Babelfish on March 20, 2011, 04:21:12 am
Oh wow, your actually playing league of legends..? I truly feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Cyclopsided on March 20, 2011, 04:43:29 am
Feinting is more dependent on player timing not wpf, if you want to feint better than a marginal more wpf isn't going to do anything for you. You just have to duel a bunch while practicing feints until you get the correct timing.
Also, I believe your most recent posts answered your own question to go 21/15.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Trippin on March 20, 2011, 08:00:58 am
Feinting is more dependent on player timing not wpf, if you want to feint better than a marginal more wpf isn't going to do anything for you. You just have to duel a bunch while practicing feints until you get the correct timing.
Also, I believe your most recent posts answered your own question to go 21/15.

I know how to feint bro. But the faster you attack, the faster you can feint. I have decided 21/15 anyway.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on March 20, 2011, 12:07:42 pm
Im telling you 18/21 is the way to go, you dont need more than 6 ps and you will still be very fast.

Just try it one gen you will se what im talking about
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Vexus on March 20, 2011, 12:27:20 pm
Thing is trippin is already lvl 28 with 18 strength 15 agility and people keep on saying to go 18/21 or 21/18 which is not possible unless he/she retires.
Title: Re: 21/15 vs. 18/18
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on March 20, 2011, 12:39:58 pm
I said: Try it one gen