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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Sammael on March 16, 2011, 07:35:16 pm
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Hello,
I had an idea for a new polearm recently. It would be nice to have a polearm akin to the war spear, but with better swing damage. I'm thinking of something similar to the Japanese Yari.
Feel free to critique and suggest different stats if you feel the following would be over/under powered, or if you are interested in seeing this type of weapon implemented.
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Yari
Price: 5200
weight: 2.0
requirement: 8
spd rtng: 94
weapon length: 150
swing damage: 29, cut
thrust damage: 30, pierce
Usable on horseback (swing and stab)
Penalty with shield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yari)
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Able to swing on horseback? Thats crazy. Other than that it seems allright, perhaps with a lower cut dmg.
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93 or 92 speed would be better imo.
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more items more fun :wink:
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Able to swing on horseback? Thats crazy. Other than that it seems allright, perhaps with a lower cut dmg.
Think of the long hafted blade, which has 38 cut, 3 more range and is capable of swinging from horseback.
I'd rather see the swing from horseback removed than a lowering of the cut damage I suppose. I really want a polearm that doesn't feel as though I'm being penalized for choosing to either swing or to stab(on foot), thus I'd like to keep the swing and stab damage fairly close.
Thanks for the replies so far!
*edited for clarification
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I'd reduce the length to ~140 and thrust dmg to 28 (don't forget about heirlooming) to make it more balanced since it's a spear with good swinging capabilities, speed 92-93. Would be a really awesome weapon to have in the game, now if only someone could make it...
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I'd reduce the length to ~140 and thrust dmg to 28 (don't forget about heirlooming) to make it more balanced since it's a spear with good swinging capabilities, speed 92-93. Would be a really awesome weapon to have in the game, now if only someone could make it...
I thought the Shogunate might go for this type of weapon :D
So far, with the limited votes cast, I'd concur with a slight reduction (1-2 points) in both speed and thrust dmg.
The length is the same as the war spear, though this weapon costs roughly double. I'd still like to see it in the 150ish range, since the swing damage is quite low compared to other polearms (long hafted blade, poleaxes, etc.)
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I thought the Shogunate might go for this type of weapon :D
So far, with the limited votes cast, I'd concur with a slight reduction (1-2 points) in both speed and thrust dmg.
I would,definately. But i'm just suggesting slightly less op stats for the sake of game balance. Length historically can really vary from 1.5m to 6m so it can be adjusted for the game easily.
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I would,definately. But i'm just suggesting slightly less op stats for the sake of game balance. Length historically can really vary from 1.5m to 6m so it can be adjusted for the game easily.
Sorry I edited my post regarding the weapon length after you posted again.
Meet in the middle? 145 length? :wink:
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Sorry I edited my post regarding the weapon length after you posted again.
Meet in the middle? 145 length? :wink:
Sure, why not. Can you make it now ? :D
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Sure, why not. Can you make it now ? :D
I'd have absolutely no idea where to start :(
But maybe once I get off work I can delve into the world of weapon design! (or someone who really likes the idea and actually has the ability can give it a go!)
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In LOTR the tower guards have mean spear things. They are fairly similar to the weapon you are suggesting but far better looking IMO. I don't think that anybody really cares about historical accuracy so could we have the LOTR tower guard spear instead instead.
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In LOTR the tower guards have mean spear things. They are fairly similar to the weapon you are suggesting but far better looking IMO. I don't think that anybody really cares about historical accuracy so could we have the LOTR tower guard spear instead instead.
pic?
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My input, would be better if it was this style of yari to make it more of a unique weapon, to the hafted blade etc.
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and should not usable with shield, so has clear disadvantage to the lance.
only problem is if you try it with the hafted blade the swing from horse animation is very broken. plus we dont have the model anyway so its pointless discussion ;)
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It could be used like the swizz halberd and the bill, overhead and thrust only.
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It could be used like the swizz halberd and the bill, overhead and thrust only.
With 145 reach?
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http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/18449-samurai-vs-vikings-6.html#post256553?postcount=57 (http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/18449-samurai-vs-vikings-6.html#post256553?postcount=57)
This guy Gives a pretty interesting post.
Note this "You're addressing things that have been said 2 years ago. Recently (as in late 2009, 2010), none of what you're addressing has been said. Japanese spears were also of much better quality due to tang construction, rather than the socket construction of European spears. It takes a lot of work to free the blade of a yari. Add on that a sankaku yari was diamond or triangular in cross section, and it makes a very lethal weapon. There's more kinetic energy in a sankaku yari."
With this In mind I think a Yari should do more thrust damage than a war spear. But I think it should do less swing damage. Maybe something more along the lines of 23 swing damage
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Alot less damage maby and increased length because this would make warspear useless :/
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Yari
Price: 5200
weight: 2.0
requirement: 8
spd rtng: 94
weapon length: 150
swing damage: 29, cut
thrust damage: 30, pierce
Usable on horseback (swing and stab)
Penalty with shield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yari)
Price: 5400
weight: 2.0
requirement: 9
spd rtng: 92
weapon length: 160
swing damage: 25, cut
thrust damage: 31, pierce
Usable on horseback (swing and stab) just stab
Penalty with shield
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Alot less damage maby and increased length because this would make warspear useless :/
My idea here was to make a high tier weapon that does pretty much what the warspear does.
It could be used like the swizz halberd and the bill, overhead and thrust only.
It could.. but then what would make it unique?
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Price: 5400
weight: 2.0
requirement: 9
spd rtng: 92
weapon length: 160
swing damage: 25, cut
thrust damage: 31, pierce
Usable on horseback (swing and stab) just stab
Penalty with shield
I like These stats minus the no swing. The reason you would swing a Japanese spear is because the blade could be used for cutting, although not as good at cutting as a naginata it still would prove useful
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Here's a bunch of screenshots from an existing mod with some yari's, a naginata and some other stuff:
Click ME!! (http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Spawny_007/Kengeki/)
Models aren't that great, but may be a nice basis.
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No shield due to considerable length but i agree with other stats. Should be long awlpike alternative.
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No shield, no swing, decent speed - basically an improved bamboo spear.
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I would like a yari, make it a longer weapon than warspear, with slighty less stab damage and a bit more swing damage. Something like 93 speed and 145 length.
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DO IT, quick fix.......add the swing on horseback to military sythe. It is what I use for my "yari cavalry" looking character.
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bumpity bump. id love to have a yari for my weeaboo character!
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My input, would be better if it was this style of yari to make it more of a unique weapon, to the hafted blade etc.
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and should not usable with shield, so has clear disadvantage to the lance.
only problem is if you try it with the hafted blade the swing from horse animation is very broken. plus we dont have the model anyway so its pointless discussion ;)
it's way shorter than the lance and that's a big disadvantage towards eachother
and i don't thing we shoudl put a yari with a hilt in the game because it still blocks as a polearm and not as a yari with hilt is intended to. so i prefer one like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAUL-CHEN-HANWEI-CAS-YARI-SPEAR-NAGINATA-SH2152-T-10-/230604590897?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b11acf31#ht_1981wt_1140
now for just US $325 :lol:
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I would like a yari, make it a longer weapon than warspear, with slighty less stab damage and a bit more swing damage. Something like 93 speed and 145 length.
if you want it longer it should be atleast 155 -.-
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as there were made a lot of new shit polearms like partisan, ranseur, spetum and else, wanna pay attention on yari once again. seriously, making the models of these polearms and not making yari is a crime.
here is some info about yari from total war
http://www.totalwars.ru/encyclopedia/units/inf_spear_yari_samurai.html
as there said yari (that samurai used) was much shorter then ashigaru's (which is simalar to bamboo spear). then i suggest these stats:
lenght 140
weight 1.5
thrust 29
swing 32 (yari is the most universal polearm, then there should be both swing and thrust)
speed 94
dif 12
price should be smth like 6500 or 7000
and there should no swinging from the mount, just read the very begining of the describtion
http://www.totalwars.ru/encyclopedia/units/cav_spear_yari_cavalry_takeda.html
and here are random images from total war
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Europe had better steel due to the fact we HAD iron and we perfected smithing more, so not higher stab than war spear :P
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So it's basically the more stabby counterpart to the hafted blades? Sounds good. Kind of like what we have in 1h with the espadas.
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This would be a nice addition. More interesting than the four recent polearms that were added...Also, a Naginata would be pretty cool, even if the Long Hafted Blade looks very similar to it.
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europe had better iron indeed. but japanese had better smithing technology. using their shit resurces theys made best weapons (europeans seem toys in comparison) actually.
so warspear has an advantage in length only
a Naginata would be pretty cool
+1:)
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:lol:
I have to agree with this man.
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europe had better iron indeed. but japanese had better smithing technology. using their shit resurces theys made best weapons (europeans seem toys in comparison) actually.
:lol:
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Yari
Price: 5200
weight: 2.0
requirement: 8
spd rtng: 94
weapon length: 150
swing damage: 29, cut
thrust damage: 30, pierce
Usable on horseback (swing and stab)
Penalty with shield
This sounds great, a weapon like this is certainly needed; I for one would use and most likely heirloom it! But yeah, swing on horse back isn't all that crucial in my opinion and it would probably make the masses more content if it were not there. I think the stats are good but the difficulty should be upped a little and possibly reduce some other stat so that it doesn't supersede the War Spear; again, it would be great to have such a well rounded polearm!
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Get item balance team approval on the concept in this thread and i'll do the model right away.
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I've wanted to have a Yari in cRPG since 2011, hope someone makes a model for it :D
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Military sythe and spetum are yari.....pretty much.
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Military sythe and spetum are yari.....pretty much.
That's not the point :/
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That's not the point :/
Ok, I petition to change military sythe (allow swingable from horse and remove ability use with shield) and the spetum names to yari and umi-yari er whatever that longer cool headed yari is called.
Done?
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Do you have eyes? The scythe and the Yari does not look the same.
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The current ingame military sythe looks like a basic long blade yari. The jumonji yari is the spetum.
My suggestion is a change as easy as clicking a checkbox in wse. So, it will be quickly implimented.
Beleive you me I would love to have a thrust and swingable polearm from horseback in the current game. They use too have some but they got removed for whatever reason.
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Military scythe is single edged. Also, it is more cut oriented than the suggested yari, which would be about even cut and pierce wise.
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there are two kinds of yari: one is long (peasant yari) another is much shorter (samurai yari). each kind has different variaties. the picture above is more like peasant's one. actually wings of the blade makes swing damage not cut but pierce (we dont need it)
i'm talking about samurai yari
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it is shorter, its length is between hafted blade and long hafted blade (140 is good (max 145))
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there are two kinds of yari: one is long (peasant yari) another is much shorter (samurai yari). each kind has different variaties. the picture above is more like peasant's one. actually wings of the blade makes swing damage not cut but pierce (we dont need it)
i'm talking about samurai yari
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it is shorter, its length is between hafted blade and long hafted blade (140 is good (max 145))
Adding both would be a better. Giving a wider option, and tbh. I don't most of us wants the Ashigaru Yari, instead of the spear looking one.
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No, the ashigaru would be another boring 2 directional polearm, basically identical to the ranseur, while the samurai yari could be a more stab oriented hafted blade.
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No, the ashigaru would be another boring 2 directional polearm, basically identical to the ranseur, while the samurai yari could be a more stab oriented hafted blade.
The samurai yari looks like a boring weapon to use, and I don't see why the peasant yari can't have 4 direction attacks. And the samurai yari will be like a staff when side swinging. The peasant yari have those pierce edges sides, which is perfect to use as a 4 directional attack.
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The samurai yari looks like a boring weapon to use, and I don't see why the peasant yari can't have 4 direction attacks. And the samurai yari will be like a staff when side swinging. The peasant yari have those pierce edges sides, which is perfect to use as a 4 directional attack.
+1
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The samurai yari looks like a boring weapon to use, and I don't see why the peasant yari can't have 4 direction attacks. And the samurai yari will be like a staff when side swinging. The peasant yari have those pierce edges sides, which is perfect to use as a 4 directional attack.
Just changing some stuff, if it's got the little blades on the end, why not have a 3 direction polearm with pierce but no overhead?
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The samurai yari looks like a boring weapon to use, and I don't see why the peasant yari can't have 4 direction attacks. And the samurai yari will be like a staff when side swinging. The peasant yari have those pierce edges sides, which is perfect to use as a 4 directional attack.
Because it's too long and would be OP.
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Because it's too long and would be OP.
Not if the balance on the item is suiting, like the weapon speed, also the Yari should have around 130 range.