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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Ronin on April 19, 2012, 03:40:48 pm

Title: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 19, 2012, 03:40:48 pm
Well, I am no modeller. But since it never hurts to state your idea, I think we might make use of some of these one handed weapons:

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Now these weapons should be of 60-80 length, very fast and light. Moderate damage (30 cut) for swing and low damage (19 pierce) for stab. WFaS already has a good example of one of these swords, yataghan a short and fast weapon in the armory of tatar infantrymen.

Looking forward to it :)
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Vkvkvk on April 19, 2012, 08:42:06 pm
My only issue with weapons like that, which applies to all curved weapons is how the hitbox of weapons are in this game.

The hitbox is more like a big straight line, so anything that's curved will usually result in weird shit happening, such as the Scimitar/Elite Scimitar's weird ghost reach due to getting hit by the hitbox long before the actual sword hits you.

With this weapon, people will probably complain it goes right through people 24/7 because the blade part of the weapon will touch them but the hitboxes will not.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Spanish on April 19, 2012, 08:46:31 pm
I personally think the first one he showed with the red handle would probably be the only one adopted as its fairly straight and looks pretty damn awesome. And I don't think it be a big deal as its not as curved as either of the scimitars.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on April 19, 2012, 09:00:48 pm
yeeea more ghost reach weapons! exactly what we need!
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Diomedes on April 19, 2012, 09:40:38 pm
I don't think we should judge mechanics till we've an expert opinion on what the WSE could do with forward-curved weapons.  As for aesthetics and suitability I like the concept.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 19, 2012, 09:54:39 pm
I want egyptian Kopesh.NAOW.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Kafein on April 19, 2012, 10:17:39 pm
Iirc, forward-curved swords went out of style in europe after the end of the west roman empire.

Having a falcata would still be cool though.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 19, 2012, 10:47:28 pm
Quote from: Kafein on April 19, 2012, 10:17:39 pm
Iirc, forward-curved swords went out of style in europe after the end of the west roman empire.

Having a falcata would still be cool though.
For old greece and europe, perhaps. But janissaries used it till 19th century if I am not mistaken.

Also I wouldn't think it would cause much of a hitbox problem, due to the high speed the weapon should have it will be hard to notice supposedly. Yes, faster than a scimitar and no, not as fast as the yataghan in WFaS...
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 20, 2012, 09:26:50 pm
Yataghan is added as a picture as well.

Well, I am not asking for too much I think. This is something already WFaS have. The devs can have it from there by permission.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: JennaHaze on April 20, 2012, 09:36:32 pm
Quote from: Ronin on April 19, 2012, 03:40:48 pm
Well, I am no modeller. But since it never hurts to state your idea, I think we might make use of some of these one handed weapons:

(click to show/hide)
(click to show/hide)
(click to show/hide)
(click to show/hide)
(click to show/hide)

Now these weapons should be of 60-80 length, very fast and light. Moderate damage (30 cut) for swing and low damage (19 pierce) for stab. WFaS already has a good example of one of these swords, yataghan a short and fast weapon in the armory of tatar infantrymen.

Looking forward to it :)


Kopis <3
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Phyrex on April 20, 2012, 09:37:43 pm
Choose one and I'll make it in Wings 3D, need someone to texture it though. :P
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 20, 2012, 09:40:40 pm
Cool guy! Greek kopis or yataghan would be awesome. Egyptian kopesh looks great as well. I don't know man you choose :D
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Phyrex on April 20, 2012, 09:45:28 pm
Ornamental Yataghan seems like a big challange, I'll try it out. I'll update tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 20, 2012, 09:47:15 pm
You are awesome Phyrex :D
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: JennaHaze on April 20, 2012, 09:53:34 pm
Arakh would be nice too!
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Digglez on April 20, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
ZOMG WRONG TIME PERIOD

if they wont add roman armors from 100-300ad, they sure wont add stuff from 2000-200 BC
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Diomedes on April 20, 2012, 11:28:17 pm
Quote from: Digglez on April 20, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
if they wont add roman armors from 100-300ad, they sure wont add stuff from 2000-200 BC

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The yatagan or yataghan (from Turkish yatağan) is a type of Ottoman knife or short sabre used from the mid-16th to late 19th centuries.

- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatagan)
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: BlindGuy on April 20, 2012, 11:34:30 pm
Quote from: Diomedes on April 19, 2012, 09:40:38 pm
I don't think we should judge mechanics till we've an expert opinion on what the WSE could do with forward-curved weapons.  As for aesthetics and suitability I like the concept.

dmg trigger hitbox is always gonna be a straight line, if not why do axes and scimitars still have ghost reach, before hit effects, and not blunt dmg on shafthits and hiltslashes?
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Diomedes on April 21, 2012, 12:06:04 am
Quote from: BlindGuy on April 20, 2012, 11:34:30 pm
dmg trigger hitbox is always gonna be a straight line, if not why do axes and scimitars still have ghost reach, before hit effects, and not blunt dmg on shafthits and hiltslashes?

There's lots of possible reasons.  That's why I suggested that this conversation be put to one side till an actual expert comments.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Phyrex on April 21, 2012, 12:38:48 am
First version done! Kind of bored tonight. It's abit edgy, not the perfect shape, but that'll come with some fine tuning. :P

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Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 21, 2012, 01:29:40 am
This looks very pleasing to my eyes :shock:
Just do not forget that it's a daggerlike weapon.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: BlindGuy on April 21, 2012, 02:11:45 am
If this is supposed to be a falcata: remember, the BACKside of the sword describes a SINGLE arc, it does not arc back on itself towards the point. The FRONT of the blade describes 2 arcs.
Title: Re: Forwardly edged swords=Kopis, Falcata, Yataghan or however you call em
Post by: Ronin on April 22, 2012, 06:25:44 pm
Bump. In case a texturer might show up...