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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Jarold on March 16, 2011, 07:46:20 am
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So im quite new to crpg, but starting to get the hang of it, im currently finding it easiest to learn on a shielder and im working with the Cliche Huscarl and Side sword and I would like to make sure im using the best 1h weapon, so I just need some opinions based on personal experience of weapon use.
-warhammer
-wakizashi
-side sword
-steel pick
-military pick
what are the pros and cons of these weapons and heirloomed which one you think is best? thank you
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also my end build will look somethin like this
Strength: 15
Agility: 21
Hit points: 56
One Handed: 164
Converted:?
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 5
Athletics: 7
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 7
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I was playing the other day with 100wpf 1h and I picked a masterwork side sword. It was ridiculous. If you are planning multi heirlooms then that truly is the best weapon IMO
The others are a bit short and will leave you disadvantaged vs 2h/pole
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Steel pick, especially when heirloomed, does IMBA damage and is really hard to block, though it is harder to hit with than the military pick, because of the lesser length. 5PS might make you want to go for either the pick or hammer, to compensate for the lack of attack power.
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So im quite new to crpg, but starting to get the hang of it, im currently finding it easiest to learn on a shielder and im working with the Cliche Huscarl and Side sword and I would like to make sure im using the best 1h weapon, so I just need some opinions based on personal experience of weapon use.
-warhammer (Blunt damage, nice weapon. Has a thrust. Short range, so needs good footwork/facehugging)
-wakizashi (Don't even bother)
-side sword (Best overall weapon. Especially MW sidesword.)
-steel pick (High damage, VERY short range. Needs high athletics and very good footwork to get the most of it. Will have trouble vs longer weapons. NO THRUST=Insta death vs crushthrough most of the time)
-military pick (A bit less damage than the steel pick, a bit more reach. Quite powerfull, comparable to the warhammer. No thrust, so only 3 attack directions)
All in all, I'd go for a sword. In your case, that would be the side sword.
The other weapons are specialty weapons and better left until you find yourself getting good performance with a sword.
what are the pros and cons of these weapons and heirloomed which one you think is best? thank you
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Sidesword
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imo if you are heirlooming, go Long espada eslanova. The reach is amazing for 1handers and it has awesome stab.
Try it. i personally put long espada > Sidesword.
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imo if you are heirlooming, go Long espada eslanova. The reach is amazing for 1handers and it has awesome stab.
Try it. i personally put long espada > Sidesword.
Same. If I could redo my heirlooms I would pick the long espada. It was my baby before the patch, but felt weird after the patch. Now I realize it was because I had to get used to my character rather than the weapon.
It is a weapon for more experienced players though imo. I would use it without a shield most of the time.
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I was playing the other day with 100wpf 1h and I picked a masterwork side sword. It was ridiculous. If you are planning multi heirlooms then that truly is the best weapon IMO
Just don't cry to hard when it gets hit by the nerf bat.
I would use a triple heirloomed nerf bat if I could. Awesome weapon.
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tard question: IMBA dmg?
Peircing negates armor? if so, how does that work.
Ill proboably heirloom my Steel pick(seein i only got 5 ps) and use the long espada as a lengthy 1h'er
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Really though, stats really don't matter that much. There's usually just a couple points of speed or damage difference, and you can be effective with a nomad saber if you wanted too. Just be sure to pick something that fits your character, it's all about the style man :D.
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Just be sure to pick something that fits your character...
There is more truth to this that you might think. Certain weapons seem very popular, but it's often as much due to hype and group behaviour. People tend to mimmic other players a lot.
Aside from my trusty (and nerfed!) Elite Scimitar, i really like the Sarranid Guard Sword. But there are many other viable options. Italian Sword, the Long Espada Enslavona, the good old Nordic Champion Sword, the Knightly Arming Sword... and that's just from memory.
Like Kophka said, you can be effective with the Nomad Sabre if you want. Pick something that fits your playstyle rather than what you think is 'the best weapon' when you look at the stats.
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Forget the Wakizashi, it may be fast, but its very short.
If you want a fast one, you should try Niuweidao. I have a Masterwork Niuweidao and i'm really happy with it.
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So im quite new to crpg, but starting to get the hang of it, im currently finding it easiest to learn on a shielder and im working with the Cliche Huscarl and Side sword and I would like to make sure im using the best 1h weapon, so I just need some opinions based on personal experience of weapon use.
-warhammer
-wakizashi
-side sword
-steel pick
-military pick
what are the pros and cons of these weapons and heirloomed which one you think is best? thank you
There really is nothing better than picking up these weapons on the field and figuring out which one you do best with, if you're new.
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I like the Long Arming Sword. This forgotten sword (don't see it mentioned anywhere...) is within a couple points of the best swords (in terms of damage and speed) but is slightly longer than the side sword and 3k or 4k cheaper! This lets you have 3k worth of more armor, etc. It works well for me, and is a good choice for horseback as well.
Long Arming Sword
cost: 5k
spd rtng 98
weapon length 102
swing damage 30, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
vs.
Long Espada Nordic Champ Sword
cost: 8k cost: 8k
spd rtng 98 spd rtng 97
weapon length 103 weapon length 102
swing damage 29, cut swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 28 pierce thrust damage 21 pierce
Sidesword
cost: 9k
spd rtng 101
weapon length 95
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
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Absolutely true! Price has become a serious factor in what weapon you can use. Cheaper weapons means more money for good armor. So try to factor in price when you pick a weapon.
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I like the Long Arming Sword. This forgotten sword (don't see it mentioned anywhere...) is within a couple points of the best swords (in terms of damage and speed) but is slightly longer than the side sword and 3k or 4k cheaper! This lets you have 3k worth of more armor, etc. It works well for me, and is a good choice for horseback as well.
Long Arming Sword
cost: 5k
spd rtng 98
weapon length 102
swing damage 30, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
There is also the Knightly Arming Sword, which I use and I think is more comparable to the high-end swords
It reads:
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 31 cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
And it costs about 6.8k.
In the end, however, it heirlooms slightly better than the other swords. It makes up a missing damage point so that it ends up even in slash damage with the 32 base swords by the 2nd heirloom, and it's only one behind the side sword in thrust at masterwork.
According to the thread on this forum that lists heirloom levels, the Masterwork Arming Sword reads:
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 28pierce 102 length
And the Masterwork Side Sword reads:
Gen3= 103spd 36cut 29pierce 95 length
To me, that's a tough call and I am favoring the Knightly Arming Sword slightly at the moment not even taking price into consideration. Conceeding 1 thrust damage and 4 speed for 7 extra reach seems like a good trade.
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thanks for replys, ive tried them all besides warhammer, but im leaning towards the idea that they are pretty much all the same. Im gonna go with steel pick due to the piercing dmg and my character being a high agil shielder
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Well, no. None of them are the same really.
They each offer some tradeoff. A bonus for a penalty.
For example, between the 3 main swords:
Side Sword is the shortest and fastest. It has the hardest hitting slash and a medium thrust.
The Long Espalda is the longest and is of medium speed. It has the strongest thrust but the weakest slash.
The Knightly Arming sword is of slightly lesser length than the espalda, and is the slowest. It is tied for the strongest slash but has the weakest thrust.
In the case of the pick, you trade off a very large amount of range and the ability to perform a thrust attack for good speed (only one less than the side sword, faster than the other 2) and high piercing damage on every attack.
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You guys are missing the best 1 hander out there the Sarranid Cavalry Sword.
Sarranid Cavalry Sword 5308
weight 1.35
requirement 8
spd rtng 95
weapon length 105
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 19 pierce
I first started with the warhammer and found it too short, tried the Side Sword found it quick and still a bit short. Used the long Espalda and liked it, then I used the Sarranid Cavalry Sword and I friggen love it.
Its longer then the long Espalda which comes in very handy fighting good and fast agility players, it deals more swing damage then the Espalda, sure its slower and has a lower stab but after using it for a bit you get used to that. But probably the best part is that its cheaper then all the top swords. I am looking forward to heirlooming mine or trading for it when it comes to be available.
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Don´t forget to think about the range.
What´s the use of a high damage weapon , that swings only through the air instead of hitting the enemy.
I think the weapons about 60-70 range .... maybe 80 are too short to fight against high athletic 2h, which are strafing around.
So ... what weapons are about 98-100+ range ?
The second is your playstyle ...
Do you like to stab ? Or do you hate it ? If you like stab .... try weapons with high piercing damage, like long espada eslavona. It has long range for 1h , and high piercing damage, which is good against high armor ( at least when it´s heirloomed ) .
If you don´t like stab. Try weapons like nordic champions sword , or knightly arming sword.
If you hate stab , and don´t want to stab at all, try something like elite scimitar. It has no stab, but good speed and lenght. But think about cutting damage against high armor isn´t so effective like piercing damage. Many players have 46+ armor. But with one hit extra you can reach the same damage with cut. And a hit against the head makes more damage i think ...
So cut is allright too.
If you don´t want to pay much, try something like italian sword ...
It´s all about what you like, but don´t forget the range... it´s boring if the 2h make just one step back after hitting, and you swing through the air , just to be hit from the next 2h swing, which has longer range. Don´t use too short weapons.
If you are very fast , like 8+ athletic , you can try to be a facehugger, with a very short weapon. But i don´t like such a playstyle ;-) It´s about what you like. Try it out.
You have the choice !!! It´s fun to find out ...
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Forget the Wakizashi, it may be fast, but its very short.
If you want a fast one, you should try Niuweidao. I have a Masterwork Niuweidao and i'm really happy with it.
looked up threads but couldnt find, so sorry if i write offtop
could someone explain me how to upgrade your weapons? or give me, please, a link
p.s. is armour upgradable?
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looked up threads but couldnt find, so sorry if i write offtop
could someone explain me how to upgrade your weapons? or give me, please, a link
p.s. is armour upgradable?
It is a retirement bonus. If you retire at 31, you get a bonus upgrade to a weapon or armor. You can upgrade an item 3 times.
As well as the item bonus, you get +100xp per tick.
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Tortoul, you can heirloom any weapon that you can equip when your retire.
Example: Johnny only has 3 riding, so when he retires he CANNOT heirloom his courser but he CAN heirloom his rouncey.
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Tortoul, you can heirloom any weapon that you can equip when your retire.
Example: Johnny only has 3 riding, so when he retires he CANNOT heirloom his courser but he CAN heirloom his rouncey.
It is a retirement bonus. If you retire at 31, you get a bonus upgrade to a weapon or armor. You can upgrade an item 3 times.
As well as the item bonus, you get +100xp per tick.
thank you, guys
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i prefer scimitar to niuweidao. but can't decide which is better: scimitar with spd 101, range 97 and 30 dmg or elite scimitar with spd 100, range 99 and dmg 31. does elite scimitar worth its price and repair price?
help me please, oh expert)
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My favorite 1 hander is really the Iberian mace. Looks awesome, hits hard, and it's cheap. I think I'm the only one that uses it in NA, so it has that going for it too. :D
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You may want to look into the 1h axes. They offer a good advantage against other shields and hit like a truck when heirloomed.
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I went against the grain and chose the Battle Axe, I also use IF, so perhaps taking advice from me isn't recommended but I was at the top or near the top of the charts last night in the battle servers for my team consistently - and there were some amazingly good players on - seriously.
Heirloomed twice, just hit 30 so 4.4 million to final heirloom on it.
Powerful Broad One Handed Battle Axe - weight 2.35 - requirement 9 - spd rtng 98 - weapon length 73 - swing damage 39 - Bonus Against Shields
at 3rd Heirloom it will be 99spd, 40cut and probably heavier
Build at lvl 30
Strength 21
Agility 15
2 pts converted
One Handed 146 wpf
Ironflesh 7
Power Strike 7
Shield 5
Athletics 5
Weapon master 5
Ussually wear chain to low tiered heavy, or else just the pilgrim disguise outfit which I can kill plate very effectively in due to mobility and hitting power with that axe - break their shield then break their face.
Good Luck On Your Build - I really hated going pure 1 hand at first since I used to be hybrid thrower but once you get the hang of it it's good. Situational though and some maps will be tough, but all in all a solid choice. Suck up close to your opponent, keeping them from circling behind your shield is the main issue. Some opponents are just spam fodder while others take a long winded battle, but played right you can easily take on 3 people at once and walk away with a shred of life - and of course your dignity.
Break the mold and go warhammer - it was a hard decision for me but I chose axe because it was cheaper than the rest and allowed me to wear slightly better armor. The knockdown feature is a blast and I always enjoy using a knobbed mace when I'm running as a peasant.
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I have to throw in for my favorite, the Italian Sword. It looks cool, is relatively cheap and has decent stats:
weight 1.25
requirement 9
spd rtng 99
weapon length 98
swing damage 30, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
It's a good middle-of-the-road sword. It's not great at anything, but pretty good at everything.
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i prefer scimitar to niuweidao. but can't decide which is better: scimitar with spd 101, range 97 and 30 dmg or elite scimitar with spd 100, range 99 and dmg 31. does elite scimitar worth its price and repair price?
help me please, oh expert)
Those stats are incorrect. The main difference: Scimitar has 97 range and the Elite scimitar has 100. However, the Scimitar has 101 base speed and the Elite has 99.
I struggled with this dillemma for a month or so. In the end i chose the Elite Scimitar over the normal Scimitar because of that extra bit of range.
I was so used to 100 range that the 97 range of the normal Scimitar made me miss a lot of swings, especially when mounted. Apparently i tend to swing at the extreme end of the range of my weapon, between 98 and 100 range.
My take on this: on foot, if you get used to the 97 length, the normal scimitar is better than the Elite Scimitar. But on a mount, those three points extra range make the Elite scimitar worth it. It's a hard decision though.
When 3x heirloomed, the Masterwork Scimitar has 103 (!) speed, being the fastest sword together with the Masterwork Side Sword.
If you like spamming, the Scimitar is just spamtastic. The Elite Scimitar is more of a compromise between length and speed. Both are excellent swords. I say try 'em both out, they aren't expensive to buy and see which one you prefer before you heirloom either.
Heirloomed, the normal Scimitar catches up with the Elite Scimitar. So it's all about those 3 points of range vs 2 points in speed. Oh and the normal Scimitar is really cheap for the stats it has. So if money is an issue for you, the Scimitar might be perfect for you.
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I'm currently stuck between two 1-handers myself. The Long Espada Eslanova, with base stats of 98 speed, 103 length, 31c30p damage, and the Sarranid Cavalry sword with base stats of 95 speed, 105 length, 35c/20p. Both have advantages, and as of now I use the Cavalry Sword before I get a multiplier, and Espada Eslanova after. The Cavalry sword is slow- even at 3rd gen heirloom it's only got 97 for speed- but the length keeps me using it and again, sometimes even when I'm at 5x. It feels like most people don't expect it to be quite so long, and I get a fair deal of hits and kills off with it where the Sidesword would likely fail me.
Really there's no reason you can't use both the Scimitar and the Elite if those are what you're interested in, though. Use Scimitar when you lack a multiplier, or whenever you feel like, and Elite when you have at least a 2x
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Phazey
Those stats are incorrect. The main difference: Scimitar has 97 range and the Elite scimitar has 100. However, the Scimitar has 101 base speed and the Elite has 99.
My take on this: on foot, if you get used to the 97 length, the normal scimitar is better than the Elite Scimitar. But on a mount, those three points extra range make the Elite scimitar worth it. It's a hard decision though.
When 3x heirloomed, the Masterwork Scimitar has 103 (!) speed, being the fastest sword together with the Masterwork Side Sword.
If you like spamming, the Scimitar is just spamtastic. The Elite Scimitar is more of a compromise between length and speed. Both are excellent swords. I say try 'em both out, they aren't expensive to buy and see which one you prefer before you heirloom either.
Heirloomed, the normal Scimitar catches up with the Elite Scimitar. So it's all about those 3 points of range vs 2 points in speed. Oh and the normal Scimitar is really cheap for the stats it has. So if money is an issue for you, the Scimitar might be perfect for you.
Malaclypse
Really there's no reason you can't use both the Scimitar and the Elite if those are what you're interested in, though. Use Scimitar when you lack a multiplier, or whenever you feel like, and Elite when you have at least a 2x
i've mixed up stats, sorry. i'm only 1st G, so i dont know much about heirlooming etc. and you really helped me with my problem. thanks a lot)
i like this two also because they have no thrust and this makes them spamtastic), sometimes a disadvantage, but i hate unpurpose thrusts
i have an incredible ping so i guess i am not going to mount:( at this case however i use both, a simple scimitar is more suitable to heirloom, i think.
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Italian sword is by far the best one I've found yet - apart from side sword but it's gonna get nerfed
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I really like the Sarranid Cavalry sword and the Elite Scimitar