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Title: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: WarLord on April 10, 2012, 11:53:00 am

Hey boys and girls,

I´m thinking of not retiring anymore and I am planning my final build for level 33.

Those 2 are in my mind:

Level 33 (35 569 612 xp)

Strength: 24
Agility: 18
Hit points: 71

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 0
Athletics: 6
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 160
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

and:

Level 33 (35 569 612 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 21
Hit points: 66

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 7
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 7

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 168
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Most of you probably know I´m a long spear-abuser and ashwoodpike-fagn, but I also use other 4-direction polearms aswell.

I played a few Gens as 24/15 spearman and I found 15 agi and 140ish wpf enough, so 18 agi and 160 wpf at level 33 sound more than enough. And 6 instead of 5 Iron-Flesh are also tempting, 5 HP more in total with the 24/18 build sounds so good.

Most people on the other hand already suggested a the "pro-balanced" 21/21 build, because they all think agi is more important.

But, is 8 WPF more on level 33 really worth it?

Just tell me your thoughts.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Vibe on April 10, 2012, 11:58:33 am

160-168 WPF has pretty much no effect. I'd go with 24/18, but it's up to you to decide whether you want to be a bit faster or a bit stronger.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 10, 2012, 11:58:56 am

The WPF are probably not worth it, but the athletics could easily be decisive in a lot of fights.Especially as longspear aboozer :D

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Kafein on April 10, 2012, 11:59:37 am

The 21/21 build will lets you wear more armor without turning you into a turtle in case you end up being too rich.

But for a polearm char I'd personally go 24/18 or even rather 27/15 if you still could, because especially with a pike/long spear, the only thing you care about is the amount of damage you do.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Vibe on April 10, 2012, 12:00:13 pm

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Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Kafein on April 10, 2012, 12:02:32 pm

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Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Gurnisson on April 10, 2012, 12:05:28 pm

Yep, get that one. Don't listen to kafein about long spear using, you need at least 6 ath to properly pike down enemies at every opportunity and being able to get behind your teammates to be protected

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Malaclypse on April 10, 2012, 12:13:13 pm

If I were going for a pure 33 polearm user, the build I would use is:

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Out of the two you posted, I'd go with the 21/21 one with just 5 WM and 7 IF.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Kafein on April 10, 2012, 12:16:52 pm

Quote from: Gurnisson on April 10, 2012, 12:05:28 pm

Yep, get that one. Don't listen to kafein about long spear using, you need at least 6 ath to properly pike down enemies at every opportunity and being able to get behind your teammates to be protected

Well it's not exactly the same thing but it works too. With 15 agi you have to be more careful and follow your teammates closely. You also really need a backup weapon in case you can't follow your team. But with 27 str there's pretty much no one you won't 2 or 3-shot, and killing people with a 0wpf 1h isn't that hard when you hit like a truck.

A high STR pikeman is more like a anti-inf char with limited anti-cav action, while an AGI pikeman is essentially a cav repellant that sometimes acts as support in melee fights. Well that's how I play them.

Finally, high STR lets you use the fearsome Long Maul more effectively. That's a huge plus on city maps and siege.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Gurnisson on April 10, 2012, 12:31:09 pm

Quote from: Kafein on April 10, 2012, 12:16:52 pm

A high STR pikeman is more like a anti-inf char with limited anti-cav action, while an AGI pikeman is essentially a cav repellant that sometimes acts as support in melee fights.

And a balanced build gives you both. I've used a +3 pike quite a bit and using it with low agi would be suicide (you can't trust crpg teammates most of the time). I time the strikes to hit with full speed bonus to the head which is one-hits with 7 ps anyway. With 6-7 ath you can win 1 vs 1 with a pike using lolstabbing, kick-stabs to the face and jump-stabs. Good luck winning 1 vs. 1 with 4 agi, or even better, good luck running to another group of teammates. I'm telling this by experience btw, I've had 27/12, 30/9, 21/18 and I'm now 24/12. The 21/18 is definitely the best for piking out of those. An agi pikeman is to weak and is pretty much a gimmick character, while the strength one relies too much on teammates (which doesn't work in crpg :P)

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Angantyr on April 11, 2012, 05:19:47 pm

I often wonder the same myself for when I (probably) stop retiring in a gen or two, 24-18 or 21-21, both are good and the differences are marginal, a bit more speed or a bit more hp and damage. It's a tough one.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Materia on April 11, 2012, 05:43:04 pm

Quote from: Vibe on April 10, 2012, 12:00:13 pm

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Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Torben on April 11, 2012, 05:51:46 pm

was very happy with my 24/18 build. its worth it.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Elmuri on April 11, 2012, 06:49:17 pm

I'm going fo 15/27 at lvl 33

Strength: 15
Agility: 27
Hit points:

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: ?
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 0
Athletics: 9
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: ?

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 160
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

I'm still wondering how should I use final 2 skill points. Atm I have 3 if and 7 wm. Is there any use to put more wm or should I just go for 5 if?

(sry for using your thread)

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Atze1 on April 11, 2012, 07:01:41 pm

Level 33 (35 569 612 xp)

Strength: 27
Agility: 15
Hit points: 76

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 9
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 152
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

5 WM / 5 ATH are enough. Im really fast with my build (24/15) also using heavy armor ( Weight: 22.5 kg)

--> at lvl 33 youre a fast tank ( with the right armor + IF ) and a good dmg dealer ( 9 PS )

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Cris on April 11, 2012, 07:07:54 pm

I'd go for 21-21, not for the extra WPP but for the extra athletics, I rarely see an archer out running me on my alt with 7ath. Plus 7 feels much sweeter than 6, even backward speed is great - 6ath feels normal-fast, 7 feels fast. but thats is just me.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: SixThumbs on April 11, 2012, 07:11:25 pm

I was either considering 18/27 or 21/24, I still have several million to decide though.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Grumbs on April 11, 2012, 08:45:00 pm

I have now at lvl 33

Strength    24
Agility    18

Available points: 2
One Handed    1    1 point per wpf
Two Handed    1    1 point per wpf
Polearm    158    10 points per wpf
Archery    1    1 point per wpf
Crossbow    1    1 point per wpf
Throwing    1    1 point per wpf

Skills
Available points: 0
Iron Flesh    5
Power Strike    8
Shield    1
Athletics    6
Riding    0
Horse Archery    0
Power Draw    0
Power Throw    0
Weapon Master    6

I like it but don't have a whole lot to compare to, pretty much always done 21/18, just got 1 more power strike now and more HP. Notice you don't get the full 160 wpf like the calculator says, you get 158 at lvl 33. It might be better to max IF before WM anyway, I mostly went with WM incase they tweak the skill eventually

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Player_01 on April 11, 2012, 08:58:38 pm

On a pure longspear/pike and or polearmsman build. I prefer to sacrifice that 6 extra skill points to get some extra "umpf". Since you said 15 agility seemed quick enough for you in your opening post, I will suggest:

Strength: 30
Agility: 15
Hit points: 75

Skills to attributes: 14

Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 10
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 120
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Absolutely insane poking power coupled with decent speed. I'd personally do this if I went level 33, or 27/18. As far as the 0 WPF goes, to me. Unless you're a shielder/hybrid/ranged, WPF isn't a requirement (to me). I feel I am fast enough on my 24/18 pikeman. (At level 30, not to confuse you)

It all comes down to your preference though, my two cents.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: SeQuel on April 11, 2012, 09:35:24 pm

You never need anything over 120 WPF max. If you're good you don't need anything more that is.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Piok on April 11, 2012, 09:40:17 pm

Strength: 18
Agility: 24

Ironflesh: 4
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 8
Riding: 8
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 115+
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
My Agilancer built when it will be at LVL 33 :mrgreen:

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Senni__Ti on April 11, 2012, 09:41:03 pm

Been 24 18 lvl 33 for awhile now, its nice, but I do find myself wishing for more ath and speed sometimes :P (recently I'm feeling pretty slugish).

Also 8 ps (for me anyway,) is not all that reliable, half the time I'm going even with 6ps, and then occasionally I one hit a guy in transitional :o.

Given the choice again I would probably go for 21 21.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Huey Newton on April 11, 2012, 10:03:51 pm

Level 33 (35 569 612 xp)

Strength: 39
Agility: 3
Hit points: 100
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 13
Power Strike: 13
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 120
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Lysander on April 11, 2012, 10:47:15 pm

Quote from: elmuri on April 11, 2012, 06:49:17 pm

I'm going fo 15/27 at lvl 33

Strength: 15
Agility: 27
Hit points:

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: ?
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 0
Athletics: 9
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: ?

One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 160
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

I'm still wondering how should I use final 2 skill points. Atm I have 3 if and 7 wm. Is there any use to put more wm or should I just go for 5 if?

(sry for using your thread)

I would keep the 3 IF and put the rest of the skills into wm. My opinion. Greetings

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Elmuri on April 12, 2012, 08:48:25 am

Quote from: Lysander on April 11, 2012, 10:47:15 pm

I would keep the 3 IF and put the rest of the skills into wm. My opinion. Greetings

Thanks for your opinion, that was my original plan and maybe I'll stick to it :)

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Lysander on April 12, 2012, 10:22:46 am

Quote from: elmuri on April 12, 2012, 08:48:25 am

Thanks for your opinion, that was my original plan and maybe I'll stick to it :)

It's a nice build. Would you tell me your equipment you are playing with? I'm really interessted in it.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Elmuri on April 12, 2012, 02:45:54 pm

+3 Open sallet, +3 Sarranid mail shirt, +2 Gilded hourglass gauntless, Mail chausses and my weapon is +3 Long war axe

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Lobster on April 12, 2012, 06:41:24 pm

So how many Gens will this be now Warlord ?

Gz on your final build

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: BcBKC on April 12, 2012, 09:09:42 pm

Strength: 24
Agility: 21
Hit points: 65
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 1
Athletics: 7
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 1
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 122
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Weapon master and iron flesh aren't worth it. Go for the extra 3 stats and 1 powerstrike/athletics.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: BlueKnight on April 12, 2012, 09:29:12 pm

It's important for polearmers to move fast. Don't want to give any examples. I vote for 21/21

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Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Nehvar on April 12, 2012, 10:13:03 pm

I'm currently Lv33 with the following build.

Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Hit points: 65

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 8
Weapon Master: 6

Two Handed: 158

Given a free respec I would probably go 21/21, maxing PS and ATH and balancing between IF and WM. I find that while six athletics is too slow for me, eight is not significantly better than seven. Not enough to warrant frequently feeling 'out-gunned' in melee anyway. Also, you can't catch most archers while wearing armor [kuyak], even with eight athletics. So there's no benefit there either.

So yeah, my recommendation is 21/21 if you like WPF like I do. 24/21 if you don't. Seven athletics is enough.

**Edit: Of course, this is from the perspective of a two-hander that primarily uses a highland claymore and a HBS. I do have a polearm alt but I have nowhere near the time on him as I do my main.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: kinngrimm on April 12, 2012, 10:32:01 pm

you will easily reach 33, i would plan for 35(doable over sure a longer time)

and go for a 21/24 build

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that way you have good ath and will be rarely outspamed

EDIT: i go for 36, will be at 35 in 2-4 months from now and then it takes at least another year i guess even more to get to 36 ^^

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Elio on April 12, 2012, 11:25:32 pm

Since I played a long time 21/21 at lvl 29, 30 and I finaly understood that athletics have much more importance than maneuverability of weapon,
I can now start my final build 24/21 as medium armored heavy polearm, without WM!

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With :

Armor : 45h 52b 33l
Weight armor : 17,2 kg (2,4+13,5+0,5+0,8)
Total weight : 20,9 kg
Weapon : My lovely Mighty Long Bardiche (3,7 kg, spr 90 and 48c visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Grumbs on April 12, 2012, 11:36:23 pm

The problem with these builds without weapon master is theres a chance you will get gimped at some point, and these builds are for the ultra long term. Taking 0 weapon master and still attacking fast seems like its virtually exploiting the system

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Elio on April 12, 2012, 11:48:01 pm

Quote from: Grumbs on April 12, 2012, 11:36:23 pm

The problem with these builds without weapon master is theres a chance you will get gimped at some point, and these builds are for the ultra long term.

Well, not really, first you start a basic build 18/18, 18/21 with 4, 5 WM then you respec at lvl 29/30 and go for 18/21 :arrow: 21/21 then :arrow: 24/21.

I'm level 30 with 111 wpf and 1.6:1 K:D ratio with 423/257 for now. I respeced around 10 times to try many combinations, even 15/27, 18/24 and I finally found that 21 agi is a good choice with my gear.

Quote from: Grumbs on April 12, 2012, 11:36:23 pm

Taking 0 weapon master and still attacking fast seems like its virtually exploiting the system

Not really, I could never beat on duel an agi whore with 150 wpf and over and with my slow weapon. My build is much for a support build rather than an hybrid lone warrior. It's a style of play, mine.

Title: Re: "Final" Build for Level 33
Post by: Angantyr on April 13, 2012, 02:44:15 am

21/21