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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Soldier_of_God on April 06, 2012, 01:47:25 am

Title: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 06, 2012, 01:47:25 am
I like Maces. i LOVE maces. Thats why im going to make a brand new model for CRPG.
 
IM DOING A CALLOUT FOR ALL TEXTURE ARTISTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THIS A TRY. I AM NOT A TEXTURE ARTIST, IM A 3D ARTIST. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED

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heres my inspiration

Stats of the (Knightly Mace) 7500 Gold or so.

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WIP MODEL PICS

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Standard Flanged Mace

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Big Head

TODO:

1.) Make basic model - Done
2.) Convert to Blender, and Optimize -in progress
3.) Convert to BRF for Mount And Blade - not done yet
4.) Have texture maps done - not done yet



ATTENTION FROM GAME DEVS WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I WANT FEEDBACK AND POSITIVE ASSURANCE THIS WILL BE ADDED IF I CONTINUE. THX
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: zagibu on April 06, 2012, 01:58:52 am
Why does it have two different weapon lengths? Is it a telescopic mace?

Maybe 30 blunt would be enough? Or lower speed a bit?
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: XyNox on April 06, 2012, 02:07:54 am
I like maces. I want this:

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Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 06, 2012, 02:09:11 am
Quote from: zagibu on April 06, 2012, 01:58:52 am
Why does it have two different weapon lengths? Is it a telescopic mace?

Maybe 30 blunt would be enough? Or lower speed a bit?

Yeah, thats a possibility. maybe 31 B, and 94 speed? for me, really, having a longer mace thats fairly fast, and is balanced is the most important. that currently does not exist, and i feel it should.

Quote from: XyNox on April 06, 2012, 02:07:54 am
I like maces. I want this:

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YES! that would be beastly! as a matter of fact, i believe theres a Mount and Blade model for that. there are tons of LOTR weapon packs and mods
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Christo on April 06, 2012, 02:10:30 am
Quote from: Soldier_of_God on April 06, 2012, 02:09:11 am
YES! that would be beastly! as a matter of fact, i believe theres a Mount and Blade model for that. there are tons of LOTR weapon packs and mods

lol.

Good luck adding those.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Logen on April 06, 2012, 02:44:42 am
A balanced mace? No way.
Oh wait, there is a way to balance a mace...
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Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 06, 2012, 03:05:50 am
Or you could make a mace that is balanced for game play purposes, which inst too far off from real life...
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Okkam on April 06, 2012, 01:38:27 pm
Studded warclub is not so glamorous for you?

Ahh, you wanna balanced weapon with high blunt damage, high speed and knockdown... Why you do not ask for crushtrough? Also it must be usable on horse and cost 1 gold.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: a_bear_irl on April 06, 2012, 01:42:16 pm
the one in the OP would be way too good, but i would like more variety in 2h weapons, though i dunno what to add aside from maces and a hammer or something
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Kato on April 06, 2012, 01:59:32 pm
Quote from: Soldier_of_God on April 06, 2012, 01:47:25 am
Stats of the (Knightly Mace) 7500 Gold or so.
weight: 3.2 -good weight
difficulty: 15 - high difficulty
speed rating: 95
weapon length: 90 -fair length, still shorter than most.
thrust damage: 0 blunt - no thrust
swing damage: 32 blunt - fair damage, but nothing too op.
slots: 2
Knockdown

Does anyone else feel the same way?

Nope
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Bulzur on April 06, 2012, 04:51:24 pm
What an horribly strong weapon.
No thanks.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: karasu on April 06, 2012, 05:13:43 pm
Quote from: Logen on April 06, 2012, 02:44:42 am
A balanced mace? No way.
Oh wait, there is a way to balance a mace...
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Oh the whirlwind possibilities with this one.  :oops:
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 13, 2012, 06:02:15 am
Just to be clear, what i posted was a SUGGESTION. the idea is that there should be another mace, something that does blunt, and is balanced, with fair length. essentially, a variant of the LIM that looks more attractive and is better in a duel.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: zagibu on April 13, 2012, 07:48:56 am
Make the model, suggest some stats and they are likely to add it in one of the upcoming patches.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 15, 2012, 02:32:40 am
So, you are saying if i make the model (i have 3 years in 3d art, 3dsmax), texture it, and whatnot, it will most likely be added?
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: zagibu on April 15, 2012, 05:06:08 am
Yes. They constantly add new stuff, and if you can make a good looking 2h mace that isn't redundant, they will certainly add it.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace please.
Post by: Zanze on April 15, 2012, 06:18:37 am
Probably if you drop the speed to 90-92, drop the damage to 30 or 31. Weight to 3. Length can stay, or if not get a little bit lower. (85ish-90ish)
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 15, 2012, 09:05:03 am
Noted. I just plunked 4 hours into making this model. im not sure how im going to texture and bump map it yet ,since wings 3d is soooooooooo different than 3dsmax, but i can at LEAST make the model.

the model has three personal touches...

-extra stud ring
-longer mace wings
-custom pommel.

if i can get this done, this will be the most bad ass mace ever!
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Camaris on April 15, 2012, 01:56:30 pm
If you get this done and will be looking good you are my personal god if they add it to the game.
I really really want a balanced mace thats not so supershort like the normal mace.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 15, 2012, 04:34:38 pm
nvm new page.

I would really like a big 2h winged mace, would be awesome :D
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Teeth on April 15, 2012, 05:16:36 pm
We need a longish (90 length or so) mace that is usable on horseback, maces are fucking cool.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 15, 2012, 06:04:21 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on April 15, 2012, 05:16:36 pm
We need a longish (90 length or so) mace that is usable on horseback, maces are fucking cool.

Stats of the (Knightly Mace) 7500 Gold or so. - these stats are good, and they justify a high price for this mace.
weight: 3.2 -good weight
difficulty: 15 - high difficulty
speed rating: 95 - staying
weapon length: 85 -changed to be more fair; still usable by horseback.
thrust damage: 0 blunt - no thrust
swing damage: 32 blunt - about as good as i can go. if im making a new model and pouring my heart in it, i want it to be good.
slots: 2 - will definitely be a 2 slot weapon.
Knockdown
1h/2h -like morningstar
Usable on Horseback - like morningstar

Really, this is meant to be a blunt alternative to the morninstar, that trades damage for speed and balance.

Quote from: B3RS3RK on April 15, 2012, 04:34:38 pm
nvm new page.

I would really like a big 2h winged mace, would be awesome :D

See the pictures, do you like the first set or the second? the second features an oversized head.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: ArchonAlarion on April 15, 2012, 06:46:01 pm
This weapon should be unbalanced. It is slightly less weight than the morningstar, but also slightly longer.

Otherwise, the gold price of 7500 is negligible compared to the benefits of choosing the knightly mace over the morningstar. Even then, unbalanced is often a neutral thing because it gives you unpredictable feints, so maybe even upping the price to ~9500 would be more fair.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Camaris on April 15, 2012, 08:04:05 pm
Morningstar got 38 Pierce and Bonus vs Shield.
This one only got 32 blunt and Knockdown instead of bonus vs shield.
If you make it unbalanced you could stay with long Iron mace or Bar Mace.
This weapon would have no fucking sense if its unbalanced.

Im ok with higher price but no way over 10k.




Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 15, 2012, 08:26:08 pm
Quote from: Camaris on April 15, 2012, 08:04:05 pm
Morningstar got 38 Pierce and Bonus vs Shield.
This one only got 32 blunt and Knockdown instead of bonus vs shield.
If you make it unbalanced you could stay with long Iron mace or Bar Mace.
This weapon would have no fucking sense if its unbalanced.

Im ok with higher price but no way over 10k.

Quote from: ArchonAlarion on April 15, 2012, 06:46:01 pm
This weapon should be unbalanced. It is slightly less weight than the morningstar, but also slightly longer.

Otherwise, the gold price of 7500 is negligible compared to the benefits of choosing the knightly mace over the morningstar. Even then, unbalanced is often a neutral thing because it gives you unpredictable feints, so maybe even upping the price to ~9500 would be more fair.

ok. 9700 gold. but it has to be balanced.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: B3RS3RK on April 15, 2012, 08:54:48 pm
I think the second looks somewhat more appaling.Even though I personally was more hoping for flat wings, you know, without all those kind of spikes.Like the 1h Winged mace :D

at the stats...If It has to be balanced, make it 93 speed(Still faster than most comparable weapons), and give it back 90 length.AS price I think 8k would suffice.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: zagibu on April 16, 2012, 12:27:15 pm
With this handle, the mace would simply slip from your hands. Also, how many polies does it have?
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 16, 2012, 05:22:01 pm
about 1000.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Camaris on April 17, 2012, 09:56:06 am
Quote from: zagibu on April 16, 2012, 12:27:15 pm
With this handle, the mace would simply slip from your hands. Also, how many polies does it have?

Yeah the handle looks strange.
Perhaps make it more like that one.
Its an awesome 2h Mace.

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Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Jarlek on April 17, 2012, 02:51:34 pm
Guys. There's NO reason to discuss stats. The devs will make them themselves and there's nothing we can do to choose them.

If you make the model, texture, bump maps etc, they can add it. That's all that needs to be done.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Okkam on April 17, 2012, 03:12:55 pm
price 7500 Gold
weight: 3.2 -good weight
difficulty: 14 - (like morningstar)
speed rating: 93 (like morningstar)
weapon length: 85  ( +3 more than morningstar)
thrust damage: 0 blunt - no thrust (like morningstar)
swing damage: 35 blunt (because blunt is better than pierce)
slots: 2 - will definitely be a 2 slot weapon. (lile morningstar)
Knockdown (much better than morningstar's bonus versus shields)
1h/2h -like morningstar
Usable on Horseback - like morningstar
UNBALANCED! (LIKE MORNINGSTAR!)

See? This is stats of another overpowered weapon's like morningstar, but much better.

If you wanna balanced mace - it must be no longer than 70cm
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 18, 2012, 06:56:42 am
Updated todo list.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Camaris on April 18, 2012, 10:05:15 am
Quote from: Okkam on April 17, 2012, 03:12:55 pm
price 7500 Gold
weight: 3.2 -good weight
difficulty: 14 - (like morningstar)
speed rating: 93 (like morningstar)
weapon length: 85  ( +3 more than morningstar)
thrust damage: 0 blunt - no thrust (like morningstar)
swing damage: 35 blunt (because blunt is better than pierce)
slots: 2 - will definitely be a 2 slot weapon. (lile morningstar)
Knockdown (much better than morningstar's bonus versus shields)
1h/2h -like morningstar
Usable on Horseback - like morningstar
UNBALANCED! (LIKE MORNINGSTAR!)

See? This is stats of another overpowered weapon's like morningstar, but much better.

If you wanna balanced mace - it must be no longer than 70cm
But why dont take Barmace then?
And why is it allowed to have a 80cm balanced 1h blunt but its not possible for 2h?

Another Option would be:

Price 9400 Gold
weight 3.2
difficulty 16
Speed Rating 93
Weapon Length 85
Thrust Damage 0
Swing Damage 35 Pierce
1h/2h Mode
Usable on Horse
NO BONUS

The model would have to look like it could pierce.
Would be the 2h-Bec.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Cup1d on April 18, 2012, 11:35:45 am
Quote from: Camaris on April 18, 2012, 10:05:15 am
But why dont take Barmace then?
And why is it allowed to have a 80cm balanced 1h blunt but its not possible for 2h?

1. Because you can't use barmace with shield or on a horseback (and this is huge bonus)
2. Because shield in left hand works like balance (anyway - this 80cm long weapon is a fantasy of balance team, if you remember old model, it was much shorter)

3. Agree with No Bonus - No Penalty system
4. Twohanded warhammer can't be used on horseback, because it has 108-120cm overall lenght and was heavy and slow. Agree that we need twohanded warhammer in cRPG as top-tier 2H weapon with blunt damage BUT WITHOUT silly crushthrough
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Vexus on April 18, 2012, 11:51:08 am
I would love a bigger version of the military hammer as 2h.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
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Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Rebelyell on April 19, 2012, 07:21:58 pm
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Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Ronin on April 19, 2012, 11:26:14 pm
This mace idea seems nice, and I wholeheartedly support it. But I don't get it why is it in game balance discussion? Do we desperately need a mace to provide some kind of balance?
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Spanish on April 19, 2012, 11:48:27 pm
I think they placed it here because they  believe the model will be placed in the mod just that it will affect some game balance issues at to the proposed stats they wish to imbue in such an item thus it's in this thread.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 20, 2012, 03:17:57 am
Yes. originally it was a suggestion thread, it is now a WIP. But before i plunk 10+ free hours into making a halfway presentable model, i want to make sure this meets the approval of a game dev, and will be supported. i dont like wasted effort. until then, it is a game balance issue. once the "issue" is resolved, then it would go into the general section, i would think.

Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: zagibu on April 20, 2012, 09:42:40 pm
Quote from: Soldier_of_God on April 20, 2012, 03:17:57 am
Yes. originally it was a suggestion thread, it is now a WIP. But before i plunk 10+ free hours into making a halfway presentable model, i want to make sure this meets the approval of a game dev, and will be supported. i dont like wasted effort. until then, it is a game balance issue. once the "issue" is resolved, then it would go into the general section, i would think.

You will never receive an answer. Make a stellar model, and they will probably include it. But the model also needs textures and a specular and bumpmap.
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 22, 2012, 08:22:20 pm
If its not too much, can you post a few example threads of models specifically made for c-rpg that were added?
Title: Re: A new 2h Mace? (Model project to add mace, WIP)
Post by: zagibu on April 22, 2012, 09:59:04 pm
The Chichak is an example. It was made by Dede, if I'm not mistaken.