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Title: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 12, 2011, 10:25:44 pm
im making a dedicated 2h build 24/15 and so far i find it hard to have a decent fight mabe every 5th map due to ranged.

im tempted to put the pointsn intended for IF in PT just so i can atleast scare some archers off the roof  :mrgreen:

i really dont want to do that i want only my claymore/maul to do the work, but at this point seems inevitable.

So my question for the pure 2h/polearm ppl (if there are any) what do you do to survive the barrage of things flying towards you.

thx for the input.

p.s. i dont wanna carry a shield if possible
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Dinc4rr on March 12, 2011, 10:33:20 pm
Carry a wooden shield, it doesn't need shield skill.Jump when archer gonna shoot at you.Won't be as protective as huscarl shield but it will be alot better than no shield.
Don't run alone in open field towards 3 archers- kinda style.
Being pure melee doesn't mean you are rambo berserker conan jesus.= when you face many ranged, let shielders take the field first.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: bruce on March 12, 2011, 10:36:36 pm
The first to reply to you is a horse archer hahahah.

Btw, never jump when being shot. It's predictable where you will land and you can't start moving the same second. With a crossbow I always viewed it as a free kill.

Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Torp on March 12, 2011, 10:37:57 pm
You rely on strength which makes you slow and an easy target.

Get more agility and more athletics, follow the edge of the map around so your enemy don't see you and then hit them from behind and rape them in their tiny *****!
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Dinc4rr on March 12, 2011, 10:38:11 pm
Quote from: bruce on March 12, 2011, 10:36:36 pm
The first to reply to you is a horse archer hahahah.

Btw, never jump when being shot. It's predictable where you will land and you can't start moving the same second. With a crossbow I always viewed it as a free kill.

THat method perfectly works against archers tho.
Against crossbows not yea.
Just move randomly left and right and wait for the xbower to(hopefully) fail his shot.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Z_E_N on March 12, 2011, 10:40:14 pm
Best thing to do is to take cover and wait until the map dies down a bit.
 
2h really shines when its like 5v5 or 10v10
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Sir_Xormanec on March 12, 2011, 10:45:50 pm
In order to dodge arrow fire
you have to do the whirlpool shuffle
(means do a 360 twist whislt moving led and right up and down)
also do not jump during this
you WILL BE SHOT
:D
works only if you have decent footing skills and have not got a pure str build
and do some blocking and fake attacks :D
it makes it look cooler
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Wulzzz on March 12, 2011, 10:47:18 pm
Quote from: Z_E_N on March 12, 2011, 10:40:14 pm
Best thing to do is to take cover and wait until the map dies down a bit.
 
2h really shines when its like 5v5 or 10v10

Exactly.
Many 2h just want to be conan and just ask for less ranged(preferably melee only server ofc)
lol... i kinda find each round at least one 2h user with a huge sword and no shield who wants to rush alone over open field...


Also: carry siege shields if you can..they don't need upkeep.
They are great support for your advancing teammate archers=bigger threat to the enemy ranged.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: EponiCo on March 12, 2011, 11:01:03 pm
I have armor and IF, I just shrug most of them off. Well, that applies to arrows mostly, heavy crossbows and throwing still hurt like hell. But getting hit by heavy crossbow twice is kind of rare, throwers are a pain, but mostly someone else will look like an easy kill for them and you can rush them while they look the other way.
It's not really a problem getting many kills as pure 2h for me, but most rounds I die. I have no problem with that, though, you just wait a bit in cover, rush at the right moment and take as many people down with you as you can.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Sphinxer on March 12, 2011, 11:03:31 pm
At the start of the round , stick with a shielder and stay behind him , when you get a fight , support him 2 v 1 and make sure he lives ! :P

To avoid throwers , if they throw stuff at you while you're closing in , jumping straight ahead toward them will help you .. why ? There's that bug where the hitbox of the legs isn't properly working while jumping so if the thrower aim at your body and you jump it often go through .. I get that a lot when people are fighting me.. they close to me then jump and there's nothing I can do except switch to melee.

Xbow are just a pain for everyone , sorry about that but they won't miss you twice , and if they do , they suck :P

So stick to someone who was a shield until he dies , then avoid open area.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: DKriza on March 12, 2011, 11:20:13 pm
This topic is not about dodging, its about inability to hurt ranged on roofs, and game play as melee.
It is possible to play pure melee, but really annoying when only thing you can do is run around houses and wait for ranged to get down ( and that  never happens ).
And that is the main point, you have to put points in PT( or crossbow ), and make a hybrid, or dig yourself a grave at the end of the round.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 12, 2011, 11:30:14 pm
First of all thx for the input some really usefull advice.

Secondly what Kriza said the inabillity to acces roof without a shiled is still a big issue say i survive the first 2 min. spamfest.

Example (happened today): there is 3 vs 5 situation were outnumbered and going quite well untill i noticed an archer on a inacessible roof meaning he or someone else torn down the ladder, but as the rules state he can be up there and spam out until hes the only one left, but he has an enormus influence on the battle, hes shooting at me chasing down somebody else. Now i have to hide and cant even try to eliminate him so tell me pls how can i deal with that? Should i just hide around witing for flags where he has advantage again? Or just build another agi xbow build and not worry about such things?

is pure melee build obsolete and outdated, is it all about the hybrids?
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Kophka on March 12, 2011, 11:39:22 pm
Pure melee is actually still very viable. You're a 2 hander?
(click to show/hide)

No ranged, great speed, great strength, pretty damn tough. Pair it up with a claymore or war axe, and you're in the slayin' business.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Kophka on March 12, 2011, 11:42:50 pm
Quote from: DKriza on March 12, 2011, 11:20:13 pm
This topic is not about dodging, its about inability to hurt ranged on roofs, and game play as melee.
It is possible to play pure melee, but really annoying when only thing you can do is run around houses and wait for ranged to get down ( and that  never happens ).
And that is the main point, you have to put points in PT( or crossbow ), and make a hybrid, or dig yourself a grave at the end of the round.

Thankfully, there seems to be a new trend emerging for map makers by eliminating roofs and camp-towers, or making them much rarer, at least. Huzzah!
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 12, 2011, 11:47:56 pm
Quote from: Kophka on March 12, 2011, 11:39:22 pm
Pure melee is actually still very viable. You're a 2 hander?
(click to show/hide)

No ranged, great speed, great strength, pretty damn tough. Pair it up with a claymore or war axe, and you're in the slayin' business.


Well i might as well change my 24/15 buld to 21/18

im lvl 26 now so i still can get to 21/18 execpt i already have 5 in WM.

that still doesnt answer the roof huggers problem tho.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 13, 2011, 12:03:38 am
Teamwork as your golden rule.

You are not fast, you do not carry a shield, you do not have a range weapon, so hang back and either bodyguard someone or be thoughtful in where you go. As a 2Her being front line is only advisable when flanking. Play smart, and you will be a terror on the field.

And coming as an archer, don't chase us when we are in a pack, as it ends up with us scattering and then playing shoot the donkey with you. Leave that to the cav and shielders and other archers. Your job is to sneak around and create chaos, or massacre other melee and cav (Learn the jump/spin attack against cav and you will be a blessing to your team).
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: EponiCo on March 13, 2011, 12:12:22 am
This.
Simply put use your killing power to ... um, kill people, and don't get caught into chasing people in the open or archers when there's still other people that you can kill. Heck, if you are chasing someone for a longer time while the battle is still going you are doing it wrong in the first place, especially if you are outnumbered just let him run away and try to backstab the guys that attack your teammates.
Well, sometimes you are stuck in a situation where you don't know what else to do, or have to hide from archers, just deal with it, the amount of kills you can make before you run into such a situation is pretty much worth it.
If I knew there'd be a lot of roofcampers I'd just take 2 ladders myself. This slows you down quite considerably, but then someone can reach them easily.
Of course if I'm archer myself I sometimes love to make sure that melee people see me. Half of them totally forget that there's an axeman swinging at them if they see some 1 hit kill target who can't block ... almost ... in ... their ... reach ... *slash*
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Gnjus on March 13, 2011, 01:14:44 am
Quote from: Mr_Moist on March 12, 2011, 10:25:44 pm
How to survive as pure melee?

You don't. Your purpose is to die, so archers/cavalry can get their insane scores.



Quote from: Wulzzz on March 12, 2011, 10:47:18 pm
i kinda find each round at least one 2h user with a huge sword and no shield who wants to rush alone over open field...

...and we're sure youre enjoying yourself while you (who also RUSH ALONE OVER OPEN FIELD, it's reserved only for my old friends of your calibre, why would other people be allowed to do the same with any success?) sharpshoot him in motion with no problem at all.........good for ya, hero.



Quote from: DKriza on March 12, 2011, 11:20:13 pm
This topic is not about dodging, its about inability to hurt ranged on roofs, and game play as melee.
It is possible to play pure melee, but really annoying when only thing you can do is run around houses and wait for ranged to get down ( and that  never happens ).
And that is the main point, you have to put points in PT( or crossbow ), and make a hybrid, or dig yourself a grave at the end of the round.

What you/we are trying to do here is explaining a bunch of gays that pussy is a beautiful thing.......i don't think we will have any success, to be honest.



Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on March 13, 2011, 12:03:38 am
Teamwork as your golden rule.

Awesome. A dedicated cocksucker talking about teamwork. You and your kind (who in the last 2000 years were absolutely incompetent of doing anything on their own, even taking a piss let alone fight like men, but in this mod are able to go Rambo and win rounds by yourself) are implying to melee infantry that they should "use teamwork". This game is becoming more and more awesome on a daily basis.



Quote from: EponiCo on March 13, 2011, 12:12:22 am
This.
Simply put use your killing power to ... um, kill people, and don't get caught into chasing people in the open or archers when there's still other people that you can kill.


Another brainfart who can't read and comprehend. Please do us a favour and jump out of a window, preferably with your head down first.



Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: MrShovelFace on March 13, 2011, 01:22:20 am
use jumps to cover the last few feet when taking cover behind a wall. The speed boost can and will often save your life. If you land short then you are SOL
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: EponiCo on March 13, 2011, 01:26:30 am
Oh, Gnjus the eternal crossbow camper once again going on how ranged is for retards.
Self awareness is the first step towards betterment but you shouldn't generalise it on everyone.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Kophka on March 13, 2011, 01:31:23 am
I love how Gnus stops in randomly to abuse everyone, contribute nothing to the conversation besides some bile and bitterness, then move on. It always makes my day to imagine him chuckling while he never checks the thread again :D.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Bobthehero on March 13, 2011, 01:48:25 am
Wear plate armor, oh... wait...
Get more str more IF makes me survive quite a while, dont have to be a cowardly ninja to survive on the battlefield.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 13, 2011, 01:51:10 am
Haha Gnjus putting points across in his unique way  :mrgreen: Epic

Whatch it archers posting in this thread youre in danger!
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Christo on March 13, 2011, 01:56:20 am
Ladders need to go from cRPG. They should be used only in Strategus.

Those who'll say "omg no ladder is just fine" are either the ones who are playing Minecraft with them, or roof camping Archers.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 13, 2011, 01:59:57 am
yap no ladders, unbreakable ladders, roofs acessible to anybody any of those things would work just fine.

the only down side is archers fighting from the ground means even more melee spam and deaths from friendly arrows, but well cross that bridge when we get to it if ever...
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Dach on March 13, 2011, 02:26:25 am
I'm pure melee too  :D

with a friend  :wink:
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Joxer on March 13, 2011, 03:16:00 am
Dont listen to gnjus, he is a known my old friend :) My protip: Always move like you're under fire. Even if you're not.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 13, 2011, 08:10:51 am
Quote from: Mr_Moist on March 13, 2011, 01:51:10 am
Haha Gnjus putting points across in his unique way  :mrgreen: Epic

Whatch it archers posting in this thread youre in danger!

Danger of what? Watching yet another game of him being ganked by the squad of archers that I am with that use teamwork? Or perhaps another game of me watching him getting ganked by a gang of melee users? If he can post three screenshots, all different, of a scoreboard with "dominating" archers and Cav then I will die from shock, but until then I will take perverse pleasure in continuing to single him out to shoot at him (never kill him, just sink an arrow into him to tick him off). Makes good target practice.

His most deadly weapon is his verbal abuse . . .

Quote from: Joxer on March 13, 2011, 03:16:00 am
Dont listen to gnjus, he is a known my old friend :) My protip: Always move like you're under fire. Even if you're not.
Smart, I like it! This also make ninja cav work harder to kill you.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Torp on March 13, 2011, 08:30:54 am
Quote from: Joxer on March 13, 2011, 03:16:00 am
Dont listen to gnjus, he is a known my old friend :) My protip: Always move like you're under fire. Even if you're not.

bad idea, if you zigzag you lose speed and you run twice the distance.
You just have t be aware of your surroundings and move in a straight line to reach your target in half the time.
That will also decrease the chance of an archer spotting you
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Gnjus on March 13, 2011, 08:51:30 am
Quote from: EponiCo on March 13, 2011, 01:26:30 am
Oh, Gnjus the eternal crossbow camper once again going on how ranged is for retards.
Self awareness is the first step towards betterment but you shouldn't generalise it on everyone.


Check that again mate.
Also dont put words in my mouth that i never actually said.


Quote from: Kophka on March 13, 2011, 01:31:23 am
I love how Gnus stops in randomly to abuse everyone, contribute nothing to the conversation besides some bile and bitterness, then move on. It always makes my day to imagine him chuckling while he never checks the thread again :D.

Not my fault if your IQ is lower then Paris Hilton's, or even some random sheep's, and you cant see the contribution which i bring on a regular basis.  :)


Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on March 13, 2011, 08:10:51 am
Danger of what? Watching yet another game of him being ganked by the squad of archers that I am with that use teamwork? Or perhaps another game of me watching him getting ganked by a gang of melee users? If he can post three screenshots, all different, of a scoreboard with "dominating" archers and Cav then I will die from shock, but until then I will take perverse pleasure in continuing to single him out to shoot at him (never kill him, just sink an arrow into him to tick him off). Makes good target practice.

First bold: im not sure wether i should rofl, lmao or just lol here.
Second bold: if i actually bothered with taking in-game screenshots as much as the other folks id post 50 of 'em right away, and not just 3. I do, however, hope that you will stick to your word and drop dead once it happens. The only good archer is a dead one, goes for real life too.
Third bold: No offense mate but other then being a dedicated defender of the cocksuckers here on forum i really dont know who you are in-game, probably one of those archers who run away from melee. I know most of em by name and appearance by now but youre obviously so bad that i havent memorized you at all.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Wulzzz on March 13, 2011, 10:00:58 am
Quote from: Gnjus on March 13, 2011, 01:14:44 am
...and we're sure youre enjoying yourself while you (who also RUSH ALONE OVER OPEN FIELD, it's reserved only for my old friends of your calibre, why would other people be allowed to do the same with any success?) sharpshoot him in motion with no problem at all.........good for ya, hero.

Ohhh yea i do love it.
I hope you love your xbow too  :oops:
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: BlackMilk on March 13, 2011, 10:15:05 am
Quote from: Bobthehero on March 13, 2011, 01:48:25 am
dont have to be a cowardly ninja to survive on the battlefield.
lolwut, explain it to me...
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 13, 2011, 12:40:27 pm
Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on March 13, 2011, 08:10:51 am
If he can post three screenshots, all different, of a scoreboard with "dominating" archers and Cav then I will die from shock,

This is really bullshit you wrote im assuming to piss off Gnjus.

Ofcourse cav is topping the charts they mostly are and archers and xbowmen too.

Pay attention and see who is left in final 10 most rounds. i bet there wont be many melleists

Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on March 13, 2011, 03:47:06 pm
answer: get a shield
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Sepelio on March 13, 2011, 03:55:06 pm
I play 2h and its not too hard to survive. It depends largely on the map. Let your team mates go first as fodder while you hide for a little while. Hopefully the shielders will smoke the archers out. You can then go in and cut things up.

A cheap shield is the best solution though. You still get shot in the foot every now and then, but its better than being shot in the face. I often just drop the shield once I've closed the distance.

Another option is to buy siege shields and use them to help your teams archers get into a good position to kill enemy archers, thus covering your back in the long term.
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 13, 2011, 05:34:16 pm
Quote from: Mr_Moist on March 13, 2011, 12:40:27 pm
This is really bullshit you wrote im assuming to piss off Gnjus.

Ofcourse cav is topping the charts they mostly are and archers and xbowmen too.

Pay attention and see who is left in final 10 most rounds. i bet there wont be many melleists

Well, to the first line, yes I wrote that to tweak him as I find his attitude to be utterly adorable. It always brings a smile to my lips when I read one of his rants.

Second line I do agree that the skilled cav top the charts if no anti-cav players are to be found (like RS, they are usually murder against Cav due to the jack-in-the-box training they have, the jump-spin attack). Ninja-cav though do top charts even if people are gunning for them.

As to the third line, in the NA servers there are usually 2Hers topping the charts, and archers fall smack in the middle to near the top (a vaunted few do make top five, but those are usually the jedi players who also make half of their kills in melee too and can kill even with a stick, or the beyond-skilled snipeshots like carebear who is one of the few people I know who can go to melee with the bow and win). In the EU I notice there is an insane level of range spam (and I freely admit I play my cav character there most of the time), but in NA it is the melee troops that have the highest kills more often then not.

At the end of the day though, I find most builds can top with a skilled player, so I am happy for the most part (Though random things like crushthrough do bug me).
Title: Re: How to survive as pure melee?
Post by: Prpavi on March 13, 2011, 06:13:14 pm
Well i never play NA servers mysel nor do i plan so i dont give a crap whats going on there.

Ok maybe my fault is that i totally forgot cRPG is being played out of EU and didnt specify it.

The situation now is looking not really bright for my 2h build, just getting shot up all the time, maybe im just not intelligent enough to dodge them or to use "smart" tactics so im going turtle next gen and after that probably my douche agi 2h or polear/xbow build.

guess we cant all be Neo right  :wink: