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Title: Best Shield?
Post by: Skorpien on March 09, 2011, 05:28:54 pm
Hi i have a Question. I was long loyal to 2 Händers but no i will have a 1 Händer. Im a Newbie by Shields so i have the Question: Whats the best Shield and who stands how long that the Shield hold bevor it breaks  :?: :?: :?:





SRY MY ENGLISH IS NOT SO GOOD! :(
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Christo on March 09, 2011, 05:29:45 pm
Just get a lame Huscarl uber shield with deflector forcefields like everyone does. Gotta' love diversity, and variety.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Tai Feng on March 09, 2011, 05:31:30 pm
Huscarl shield. Shields have zero diversity.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Jarlek on March 09, 2011, 06:00:20 pm
The Huscarl shield is the best shield overall, although if you have the skills, get a steel shield.

BUT!

The shield that gives you the most bang for the buck is the Heather shield.
This version (there are three versions)
(click to show/hide)
It completely blocks projectiles from the front and most of your forward sides. It has enough health to last and the resistance is high enough for only the strongest of bolts to pass through (with decent Shield skill none will pass).

So while Huscarl should be your main shield, this would make a nice backup/grinding/reserve/leveling shield.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Korgoth on March 09, 2011, 06:04:19 pm
Along with that OP Huscarls Round Sield get an OP Sidesword and live the most OP setup in cRPG
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Torp on March 09, 2011, 06:09:16 pm
i disagree with everyone!

know how to play? get a buckler!

if you're aware of your sorroundings, it canblock projectiles, it will never break, with decent shield skill and again some battle awareness, noone will get around it, and then it is much faster than all other shields.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Skorpien on March 09, 2011, 06:21:05 pm
THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING ME!!!! :)
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Ache on March 09, 2011, 06:29:59 pm
Noch besser skorpien, bleib bei 2h oder polearm und lern blocken.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Skorpien on March 09, 2011, 06:31:19 pm
Die 1 Händer killen aber immer viel mehr. Z.b. dieser: _scorpion_ der is einhänder und hat immer so 25-30 kills!
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Mala on March 09, 2011, 08:21:50 pm
Or the buckler for the additional style factor.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Chasab on March 09, 2011, 08:41:30 pm
knightly heater shield.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Kherr on March 09, 2011, 09:28:45 pm
What about the brown heater shield?
Heater Shield
weight 5.5
requirement 3
hit points 410
body armor 12
spd rtng 96
shield width 22
shield height 39
3,156 gold

It has the same hitpoints as the huscarl and only a little less body armor. If you fight against shieldbraker (axes, ...) you need hps and not armor. The heater is also very fast, 96 compared to the 81 of the huscarl. But you can get an arrow in your feet and it is not as good as the huscarl against side attacks.
Think about heirlooming a shield. That increases hit points and armor, but not speed.

I would not use a shield with high armor, and very few hp. The knightly heater and the buckler (and others) break very fast against shieldbreaker.

I would also skill the shield skill above the shield minimum. I tested it (I crushed the same shield with different shield skill levels) and it seems you get about 8-10% durability for each shield point (yeah... it will be faster also).

Edit:
Test the Norman 480 hp shield... last long.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Stokes on March 09, 2011, 10:11:16 pm
Does anyone know the difference between armor and hitpoints for shields? Which stat translates into being able to take more hits: a higher armor rating or a higher hitpoint rating?

Also I know a shield's speed helps defensively, like you can raise it faster, but does it allow you to attack any faster? (IE, I can lower my shield and strike faster than I would with a low-speed shield)
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 09, 2011, 10:13:09 pm
Quote from: Stokes on March 09, 2011, 10:11:16 pm
Does anyone know the difference between armor and hitpoints for shields? Which stat translates into being able to take more hits: a higher armor rating or a higher hitpoint rating?

Also I know a shield's speed helps defensively, like you can raise it faster, but does it allow you to attack any faster? (IE, I can lower my shield and strike faster than I would with a low-speed shield)

Convoluted due to game play mechanics. Shield Armor is great if it is on your back, as it will reduce damage if shot in the back (I have confirmed this). Armor will also contribute to the damage reduced from a weapon striking against the HP of your shield. How this exactly compares to one another however is fuzzy on what the desired ratio is.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Kalam on March 09, 2011, 10:14:44 pm
Elite cavalry if you have 6 or more shield skill.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Zisa on March 09, 2011, 10:51:23 pm
BEST SHIELD = TEAM MATES
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Kherr on March 09, 2011, 11:00:26 pm
Quote from: Stokes on March 09, 2011, 10:11:16 pm
Does anyone know the difference between armor and hitpoints for shields? Which stat translates into being able to take more hits: a higher armor rating or a higher hitpoint rating?
Depends on the weapon. So if you fight against a low damage non shieldbreaker, e.g. a knife, it will never break a steel shield cause of the high shield body armor. But if you fight against a shieldbreaker, e.g. an axe, the body armor will be more or less ignored (dont know exact value) and the hps will be reduced.
So against non shieldbreaker a high body armor would be best, against a shield breaker a high hp shield. I would choose a high hp shield.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 09, 2011, 11:02:32 pm
Quote from: Zisa on March 09, 2011, 10:51:23 pm
BEST SHIELD = TEAM MATES

I actually agree. I remember a particularly amusing fellow in black armor that kept intercepting arrows that were directed towards my archer. This allowed me to win the archer sniper-fest due to not having to waste time dodging. I always love unexpected teamwork.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Seawied on March 09, 2011, 11:03:43 pm
Quote from: Kalam on March 09, 2011, 10:14:44 pm
Elite cavalry if you have 6 or more shield skill.

I have 4 or 5 on my char and it works fine. I agree with you: its an overlooked shield, and its great for its price!
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Nindur on March 09, 2011, 11:18:07 pm
You need 3 shields, huscarl for a situation with alot of archers, elite cav with shield 6 or better for melee, and me and manowar use the knightly heater shield, for all types of situations so take that into consideration :)
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: haxKingdom on March 10, 2011, 12:05:26 am
the huscarls covering area is over"board" (pun). i prefer the knightly heater which has less hp but more armor. also its a tier lower, much faster and can be used on horse.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Christo on March 10, 2011, 12:07:25 am
Quote from: Ninja_Korgoth on March 09, 2011, 06:04:19 pm
Along with that OP Huscarls Round Sield get an OP Sidesword and live the most OP setup in cRPG

Add throwing to that, and you're 99.99% right my friend.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Furax on March 10, 2011, 12:14:34 am
Noone gives board shield love? Highest HP and biggest size. Also everyone thinks they will be able to outspam you, so..free hits/kills=)
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 10, 2011, 12:16:16 am
Quote from: Furax on March 10, 2011, 12:14:34 am
Noone gives board shield love? Highest HP and biggest size. Also everyone thinks they will be able to outspam you, so..free hits/kills=)

I can attest to the board shield being priceless against normal "shield breakers" like 2Her axes. They are also priceless in sieges for plugging gaps and significantly delaying attackers, especially if you have one or two buddies with the same shield and delaying mentality.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Kalam on March 10, 2011, 12:16:22 am
Quote from: Furax on March 10, 2011, 12:14:34 am
Noone gives board shield love? Highest HP and biggest size. Also everyone thinks they will be able to outspam you, so..free hits/kills=)

I do like Board and Heavy Board (the latter seems to do better against the barmace) but they have the same issue all non-round shields have: they seem to fall prey to wrap-around more easily.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Berserkadin on March 10, 2011, 12:49:31 am
Quote from: Ninja_Korgoth on March 09, 2011, 06:04:19 pm
Along with that OP Huscarls Round Sield get an OP Sidesword and live the most OP setup in cRPG
And then whine about 2-hand/polearms bein OP
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Gristle on March 10, 2011, 06:56:01 am
Quote from: Kalam on March 10, 2011, 12:16:22 am
I do like Board and Heavy Board (the latter seems to do better against the barmace) but they have the same issue all non-round shields have: they seem to fall prey to wrap-around more easily.

Heavy Board is my personal favorite, but I definitely fall prey to side attacks a lot.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Vibe on March 10, 2011, 07:31:24 am
Get Huscarl shield and Sidesword because you know, they have the same theme and fit perfectly together.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Skorpien on March 10, 2011, 08:14:14 am
I dont like Board-Shield. Its only good vs Archers but its so slow and he breaks fast vs Shield-Breakers
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Gristle on March 10, 2011, 08:25:12 am
Quote from: Skorpien on March 10, 2011, 08:14:14 am
breaks fast vs Shield-Breakers

Are we using the same board shield?
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 10, 2011, 08:30:40 am
Quote from: Gristle on March 10, 2011, 08:25:12 am
Are we using the same board shield?

I doubt it, both looking at the stats, and testing, you can see that they have the most durability and soak better against 2Hers. Granted, if you are unused to them, then you will not take many swings against your opponent due to you being afraid of being slow, and thus the 2Her will wreck your shield.

However, if I can defeat a 2Her axe maniac with a Heavy Board Shield, Short Broad Sword, 104wpf and 15 Agil, then anyone out to be able to do so as well. I am rubbish in melee...

With my regular Board Shield, this only becomes easier due to the speed increase, and the HP does not drop that much.

EDIT: He may have been using the "Worn Board Shield" or whatever it is called, I have seen that break on occasion, and have broken more then a few with just my str archer shooting arrows into it.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Gristle on March 10, 2011, 09:58:40 am
Old will break quick to anything, Plain won't survive more than 3 shield breaker hits, but Board Shield and Heavy Board Shield can take a mighty, mighty beating.

As I understand it, weapons with a bonus against shields ignore the shield's resistance. I don't know for sure, but it does explain why steel shields can break in just 1 or 2 hits against a strong axe. Against those weapons, it comes down to which shield has more hit points, and the board shields are definitely above average there.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: bruce on March 10, 2011, 12:14:05 pm
Bonus vs shield is just increased damage.

However, with the way armour works in crpg, bring tons of damage and armour doesn't matter jack, too low damage and you do no damage. It's like that with body armour, it's like that with shield resistance, too. That is why high HP shields are better in general... well, ok, steel shield has enough armour that all the standard suspects without shield bonus do little to no damage, but once you have enough damage to overwhelm its armour it falls quite fast. For instance a plated round shield is easier to break with a 2h sword then most shields are, because 50 armour rating is pathetic (while 60 is good).
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Ache on March 12, 2011, 12:51:15 am
2h macht immer mehr Kills als 1h weil der Schaden höher is.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Anal Bleeding on March 12, 2011, 05:03:11 am
Best shield is dented old round shield.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: ManOfWar on March 12, 2011, 11:59:14 pm
I use heater shield
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Sean_Drew on March 18, 2011, 08:37:21 pm
Maybe we should test different shields on duel server ...

I try something now, if there are some online on duel server.

I would like to know if bonus against shields , kill the shield body armor , or if these weapons make only more damage ...

Maybe shields with high body armor are not so bad !? I can´t believe that body armor has nothing to say , when it goes against shield breakers ...

I test it now .... back soon :-)

Edit :

Ok .... the normal Board shield with: hit points 430 body armor 10 , seems to hold double time against shield breakers , than the steel shield ... ( 69 body armor , 225 hit points ) .

Looks like shields breakers , like axes ignore the body armor.

Steel shield breaks after 4-5 hits from axe, Board shield after 8-10 hits ... But i try some other stuff.
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Dravic on March 18, 2011, 09:33:35 pm
Sean, how many points in Shield do you have?

I had 8 at 28 lvl (or 27, i dont remember xD) and with Steel Shield it was able to survive above 120 hits before "shield picture" reached 2. breaking stage (= 1. Full 2. First stage 3. Second Stage 4. Third stage 5. Shield is broken).

Didn't have time to test it further... ;)
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Sean_Drew on March 18, 2011, 09:59:01 pm
I have 7 shield , at test ( now ) , and about 5 hits steel shield is broken. Against shield breaker like 2h axe.

Board shield , heavy board shield , and even Fur covered shield is much better against shield breakers !

The bad thing about it .... these shields are slow too ...

But i try the high hitpoint shields now , with my 1h shielder. There are too many shield breakers out there ;-) And i mostly play in Team. So more hitpoints are better for me, than fast shield ...

Edit : Maybe i try a medium shield with some body armor , but more than 200 hitpoints .... the 600 hitpoint shield is very slow ....

Edit 2 : @ Dravic : Do you think with 8+ Shield there is something different ? That makes steel shield nearly unbreakable ? Can´t test it , cause i reach only 7 shield with this char ...

Edit 3 : I tested Steel Shield , Steel Buckler , knightly heater shield, Board shield , heavy board shield , plain board shield , nordic shield, fur covered shield and huscarl round shield ...

I must say the buckler is nothing for me .... when under fire from 2 sides the arrows come around easy from the side. And hits from side too. I like greater shields. And now , shields with more hitpoints, body armor i ignore. But speed is still importend for me , i search a medium shield now ....
When i search for a medium shield which is not too slow , the Heater Shield is really a good allrounder. Some hitpoints against shield breakers ( 410 hitpoints ) , and faster than the big shields like heavy board , or huscarl ( 96 speed ) , on the other hand not so extrem protection. But i try this shield now .... in real fighting ;-) We will see if it is good enough ;-)

Edit 4 : I just saw .... there are 2 ( ! ) Heater Shields ..... wonder which one is better for me .... the one with 360 hp 100 spd ( green )  , or the other 410 hp 96 spd ( orange/brown ).
A cheap beginner shield is the nordic shield with requirement only 1 and 100 spd / 240 hp.

Hm .... i just saw the 3. heater shield ( why do they have all the same name ? ;-) ) , but this one with 260 hitpoints is not enough for me. Its not so fast too. Only 90 SPd.

Ok .... i have written enough .... everyone can take what he wants out of this thoughts ( or nothing and just get the Huscarl ;-) )


Last Edit : I think i stay with the orange/brown heater shield ( the one with 410 hp / 96 spd ) for a while ... it´s a good allrounder between speed and durability. If you wear only light armor , it´s pretty fast to fight with. Like it.  :D
Title: Re: Best Shield?
Post by: Sphinxer on April 05, 2011, 03:49:14 am
Quote from: Anal Bleeding on March 12, 2011, 05:03:11 am
Best shield is dented old round shield.

Yeah get banned using it :P