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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: tillmash on March 24, 2012, 07:40:47 pm
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Hello again forum,
Just wanted to say a few things about honour in this game, semi- rage thread, but i think most would agreee with me.
Have you ever been having a decent battle/dual/fight/standoff with someone?, only to have it interuppted by a yours or theirs teamate coming up behind you or them and ending either of their lives. I'm guessing you have, and I'm guessing it has pissed you off greatly.
What i find the most rage inducing factor in this mod is the complete and utter disrespect for honour. At the risk of stating the obvious, it's as if everyone is bloody obssessed with getting kills, which is absurd anyway, since there really is no personnel benefit in getting kills.
All I want, and I feel other people will want, is just some simple honour and respect, next time ya see your teammate fighting someone else, don't all pile in and try to get the last hit, let them fight it out, there is always plenty of people around to kill.
Next time someone is dehorsed, don't all come rusing towards him to try to get the kill, it's pointless and only serves to increase that players rage.
Don't you fell that the mod would be more enjoyable with more fair fights, instead of constantly worrying about someone coming behind you and stabbing you mid dual?
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I believe there are servers for one-on-one "honourable" duels.
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I know there are dual servers, but I mean just during a proper game of battle, i believe a little bit of honour can make the game more pleasant for everyone.
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Yeah I agree. 80% of my deaths come from behind me, and that's not because im running away, I fight to the death, usually by someone other than the person im fighting. :evil:
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a little bit of honour
What?
That died here ages ago, sorry.
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I will stab you all in the back if the opportunity presents itself with little risk to myself, just like real life.
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I know there are dual servers, but I mean just during a proper game of battle, i believe a little bit of honour can make the game more pleasant for everyone.
The Fallen Brigade actively discourages members from dueling., it is a tactical mistake. In the real world, you will find that "honor" is a subjective term that differs from culture to culture.
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The Fallen Brigade actively discourages members from dueling., it is a tactical mistake for Fallen members
Fix'd
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In battle you play for victory and thats it. "Honour" is the reason I dont like to go to melee sever because I dont know if someone gets angry if I go 2vs1
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Honour doesn't give me x5.
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The Fallen Brigade actively discourages members from dueling., it is a tactical mistake. In the real world, you will find that "honor" is a subjective term that differs from culture to culture.
Then my view of the fallen brigade has most definatley been tainted, views like this only server to create a bad attitude in game, and therefore a bad community.
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Well I don't like it when people try to build catapults in siege.
Honour doesn't give me x5.
"Honor neither feeds my belly nor shoes my horse."
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How is a duel honourable:
-if he is a pikeman?
-if he is a lower level?
-if he has different ping?
-if he you have a shield and his broke?
-if he is an archer/thrower/crossbow-user?
-if you start the "duel" facehugging?
I could go on.
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There is no honour in war, remember that.
If MR_FISTA spots someone not paying attention to their surroundings I will punish them with a swift hit from my Long hafted Knobbed Mace.
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Then my view of the fallen brigade has most definatley been tainted, views like this only server to create a bad attitude in game, and therefore a bad community.
Bad attitude is also subjective.
People who facehug in the duel server while waiting for the duel to begin, yes those people I have a problem with. people who swing recklessly through team mates even with low ping, that I have a problem with too. Revenge TKing or TWing is a bit of a jerk move as well, there are a lot of examples of bad attitude.
For me, bad attitude is trampling your team mate to steal a kill, but good attitude is helping your friend win a fight. Battle Servers re-enact battles, small scale skirmishes, they are not a tournament on "may the best duelist win." There is a duel server, and to be frank I find your attitude to be bad if you expect and berate Battle Server Players to play like Duel Server Players. If I am fighting someone, and I see you "waiting" to let me finish and don't help me, I find that behavior to be "bad" as it means you are not a team player.
Considering the Fallen Brigade is based on how well you can work as a team if asked to, and not how well you can duel, I find your view of us acceptable as it means we are doing our job correctly and attracting the correct people and keeping undesirables out.
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Bad attitude is also subjective.
People who facehug in the duel server while waiting for the duel to begin, yes those people I have a problem with. people who swing recklessly through team mates even with low ping, that I have a problem with too. Revenge TKing or TWing is a bit of a jerk move as well, there are a lot of examples of bad attitude.
For me, bad attitude is trampling your team mate to steal a kill, but good attitude is helping your friend win a fight. Battle Servers re-enact battles, small scale skirmishes, they are not a tournament on "may the best duelist win." There is a duel server, and to be frank I find your attitude to be bad if you expect and berate Battle Server Players to play like Duel Server Players. If I am fighting someone, and I see you "waiting" to let me finish and don't help me, I find that behavior to be "bad" as it means you are not a team player.
Considering the Fallen Brigade is based on how well you can work as a team if asked to, and not how well you can duel, I find your view of us acceptable as it means we are doing our job correctly and attracting the correct people and keeping undesirables out.
I don't mean the honour to be extreme, it's okay to go an help your mate, it just doesn't take 11 of you to help them, massive dogpiling is what i have a problem with.
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I don't mean the honour to be extreme, it's okay to go an help your mate...
Then you may want to re-consider your wording on the following, as it is contradicting yourself a bit there:
Have you ever been having a decent battle/dual/fight/standoff with someone?, only to have it interuppted by a yours or theirs teamate coming up behind you or them and ending either of their lives. I'm guessing you have, and I'm guessing it has pissed you off greatly
Don't you fell that the mod would be more enjoyable with more fair fights, instead of constantly worrying about someone coming behind you and stabbing you mid dual?
I suppose we just don't see eye to eye on this. to each their own I suppose.
I do agree that dog-piles do more harm then good, and kill-stealing mentalities are terrible.
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Then you may want to re-consider your wording on the following, as it is contradicting yourself a bit there:
I still stand by the back stabbing aswell, that is just rediculous.
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I still stand by the back stabbing aswell, that is just rediculous.
I call that punishing a player for lack of awareness, putting himself in a bad position, and improper footwork.
This would probably be a good example of why I consider Tyrian a better Battle player then Rhade. While Rhade is a phenomenal duelist, Tyrian rarely allows himself to be cornered, and has better battlefield awareness and thus almost never is stabbed in the back (though at times he is sometimes overwhelemed, but that is different).
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Well in battle i generaly backstab - switch opponents - use my lamest tricks to finish my enemy quick : Hiltslash , macro feinting , and last but not least the stab on the german.
But i just hate it when i'm the last alive there are like 20 enemy players left and the infantry goes pussy and doesn't attack and the archers are shooting from behind the infantry and the cav is attacking you all at once after i asked for duels quite some time. And then you get some gay response as go to duel server or honour serves me nothing responses atleast let me finish all there infantry before shooting me hmm!
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In relation to the backstabbing I'm going to have to agree that it's an awareness problem. If I'm engaged 1v1 with someone and I see a teammate coming up from behind I'm going to start fighting in such a way that they'll be less likely to see my buddy come up from behind and get a 'cheap' shot so that they turn around and I can take one also.
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Winning a round > Honour
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Well in battle i generaly backstab - switch opponents - use my lamest tricks to finish my enemy quick : Hiltslash , macro feinting , and last but not least the stab on the german.
People macro feint in cRPG? Haha get outta here!
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The Fallen Brigade actively discourages members from dueling., it is a tactical mistake. In the real world, you will find that "honor" is a subjective term that differs from culture to culture.
Which is strange since its easier to kill someone 1 on 1 than 2 on 1
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Which is strange since its easier to kill someone 1 on 1 than 2 on 1
With some randomer helping? You bet.
With someone on TS that you have fought with before, will know which side he will take, and are talking to? I beg to differ.
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Once i let someone get back up after he got bumped, i got bumped and the bastard killed me whilst i was down... :cry:
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I'm with Tears on this one.
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Just delay your thrust ,and let your teammate do attacks that arent thrust.
Force your opponent to force a block , then if he picks your your teammate finishes if he does your teammates you thrust.
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There is no Honor in this game. It's a team-based game mechanic. Your team wins, you progress faster than those on the other team. I'm not going to stand by while two girls sally one another away and fight while the rest of us serve to protect their duel. Screw that.
I would rather stick my pike in there, kabob you on it, kick you off my pike and grab the teammate who was busy to do something productive like, I don't know, help the rest of us actively engage in team warfare? I understand where you're coming from, but dueling is counter-productive in all gamemodes (of course not Duel servers). Your goal in battle is to eliminate your target as quickly as possible and then go on to the next one and hope your teammates can do the same. If I see a teammate tied up with someone, I'm going to kill that someone, and save my teammate whether they wanted to duel or not.
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Whenever my teammate is fighting someone, I first say, "Pardon me, do you mind if a stab this person you are fighting?" After that, I apologize to the person I am about to stab, for I am sure that it hurts. Then after he is dead, I send condolences to his widow. It is only proper.
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Whenever my teammate is fighting someone, I first say, "Pardon me, do you mind if a stab this person you are fighting?" After that, I apologize to the person I am about to stab, for I am sure that it hurts. Then after he is dead, I send condolences to his widow. It is only proper.
Don't forget that we break for tea time, and only officers are allowed to stab the officers of other clans.
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In battle you play for victory and thats it. "Honour" is the reason I dont like to go to melee sever because I dont know if someone gets angry if I go 2vs1
yeah, i hate this on melee server too, i go there mostly for few vs 1 or 1 vs few situations with occasional nice duel, if i want honorable fights I stay on duel server.
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Battle and siege are team sports. Your little duel means nothing. The only thing that matters is your team. The team winning depends on how many of your team lives and you wasting your life in a little duel for "honor" is just the same as pissing your teams chance of victory down the toilet. If killing someone from behind while they're having a duel means that my team has a better chance of winning and a better chance of getting a x5, then i'm going to do it.
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Archer, crossbowman don't have any honour and deserved to be stab in the back.
Ninja, are ninja and therefore haven't any kind of honour (or there not real ninja, just some agiwhore, but agiwhore are almost the same as ninja, by way, just backstab them before they backstab you)
Horseman only aim for poor isolated/unaware target, they just deserved to be raped once they fall down.
Won't speak about pikeman, they're build is made for a least 2 vs 1
And the rest? They move on pack only to overwhelmed he enemy.
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I don't mean the honour to be extreme, it's okay to go an help your mate, it just doesn't take 11 of you to help them, massive dogpiling is what i have a problem with.
Agree/QFT. 3-4 on one, maximum. Otherwise it gets too messy and actually becomes an advantage for the One.
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Honour...
Do what you can to win for the team.
Showboating, bro love, throwing a round, and soft play is...
dishonouring your team, especially if the loss comes about because of your actions.
dishonouring your opponent, as they may 'win' when they should have lost, thus you are depriving them of the experience and opportunity to learn from defeat, i.e., you are really saying 'you are not good enough for the full game'.
Also it's a game, expect various levels of boredom and other shenanigans and you should be ok.
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LOL i remember my team trying to gank some random dude on eu4 , they charged with the 7 while i stayed back. Every one of them died to that 2hander so i was last alive against the 2hander. So dropped my weapon and letted him kill me just because i asked my team to give him duels and refused and then they raged on me for doing that and i laughed and i was in a happy place.