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Title: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on March 23, 2012, 04:12:59 am

After buying a Danish Greatsword on my Main, whose a Polearm Build... I kind of fell in love with it. So I've decided I'm going to make a STF character that's a 2-Handed Build. So I now I need you folks help!

Basically two questions I need help with? One, which build do I use (Agility or Strength)? And two, which Greatsword do I purchase?

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Ok, so for some reason... I'm really wanting to go with an Agility Build for my 2-Hander. I know AGI Builds do less damage. But for some reason, I like the idea of having 170+ WPF and being able to swing my Greatsword faster than most players. But it may be such minimal increase in speed (compared to having 140 WPF), that it won't really affect anything. Plus I'm a rookie, and my not be able to take advantage of the better swing speed anyways. I may sound like a huge noob saying all this... so let me just shut up and show you my builds... and then let you guys have your say.

I basically have 3 builds I'm about to ask you folks opinion on. Two are Agility Build, and one is a Strength Build. The two AGI builds are about the same (one has more HP, the other more Athletics). If you guys think the AGI builds are better, I'd love an opinion on which of the two you think are stronger. And I'm really just giving the STR Build as a reference... just to have something to compare the AGI Builds to. Anyways, here's the 3 builds.

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I tend to favor Build #1 over #2. The 8 Athletics just seems like it'd be awesome! It and the 173 WPF are what make me want to go an AGI build. You could run most ranged guys down. And I'm sure it's a great advantage to footwork. But I'm new, and super (I mean really) suck at footwork... so it won't really be an advantage to me in that aspect.

The other thought is that 5 Athletics is plenty enough, and that I should go 5 Iron Flesh to give me another 6 HP... for a total of 60 HP. In which case, #2 would be better. And being OCD, I do tend to like my HP to be rounded off to the nearest 5 (i.e. 55, 60, 65, etc.). I know that's crazy, but it's the truth.

Now for the Strength Build.

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Basically I threw out this STR Build just as a reference. I know I could meet somewhere in the middle and do a 24/15 or 21/18 build. But I just wanted to show the two extremes, and simply get you folks opinion on STR or AGI.

Of course the STR Build will do more damage and have more HP. But I will also swing my Greatsword slower (with less WPF), as well as run slower.

Now another plus of the STR Build is the use of Mauls for Crushthroughs and Knockdowns. And that could be a pretty big bonus. Carrying a Greatsword and a Maul could be a deadly combination!!!

So which build should I go with? And please critique a build you choose if it'll help me out!

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I know the simple answer is the Danish Greatsword. It does seem the best. But it is the most expensive to purchase. And the even bigger factor... it's the most expensive to upkeep. And coupled with at least medium armor... I'd be looking a pretty expensive upkeep bill (for a new player still needing to build his funds). So let's look at some alternative Greatswords.

So let me throw out 3 other Greatswords. I'll compare each of them to the Danish GS as a reference, seeing that many feel it's the best. I'd really love your opinions on which you think is the best... or which GS you simply prefer to play with.

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So with all that easy info at your fingertips... which do you think is better?

Here's my thought. I'd go with the Highland Claymore, no questions asked if it wasn't for it being so much shorter (by 7). If it was slower, but only near the same length, I wouldn't even question it. I think it looks awesome... hilt, guard, pommel, sheath, and all.

So saying "No" to the Claymore... I'm left with a choice between the Sword of War and the Heavy Great Sword (against the Danish GS). It's a tough one between these two. The Heavy GS only has 1 less in speed, length, & damage... and it's cheaper, so less upkeep. That seems like a no brainer. But in truth, it's only 1,200 gold cheaper. That's going to amount to minimal upkeep difference.

Your thought may be like mine... why not just buy the Danish GS, bite the bullet on the Upkeep, and have the satisfaction in knowing you have the best GS. But I guess what I'm asking here is... do you folks really think the Danish GS is the best? Or is there some differing opinions out there? If so, I'd love to hear them.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: k4ts0u on March 23, 2012, 10:32:45 am

I ll give you my newb pov on that matter.I ve played 3 generations by now but i have done some research on gs builds because i am focusing on that.

Regarding the builds there is not any "best" build. Each one have their advantages and disadvantages. I have played str builds by now 24/15 mostly and i found that ok. 5 Athletics are decent but you should not chase people and stick with the grp. The dmg output is rly nice and you can sacrifice wpm points for more health if you like. I will test the 18/21 build next gen because i want to see the agi side as well. If i were you i wouldnt choose 15/24 because i think it has rly low dmg but thats up to you. To sum up you should test both and figure yourself which playstyle you prefer.

As for the weapon choise you can add the Great Sword to your list.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: BlackMilk on March 23, 2012, 10:34:29 am

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Xant on March 23, 2012, 10:44:57 am

Athletics and PS are the most important things in the game -- always have them maxxed. Personally I'd take this over any of those builds.

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Hit points: 53
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 8
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 3
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 133

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Fartface on March 23, 2012, 10:45:52 am

Blackmilk his build is good.
However i usualy go 15/27.
3 if
5 ps
9 ath
No wm is needed if you go detic 2hander.
Or 39/3
3 if.
13 ps.
1 ath.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Vibe on March 23, 2012, 11:16:48 am

I see full WM builds are a thing of the past for EU too.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Stabby_Dave on March 23, 2012, 01:20:22 pm

You can never go wrong with 21/18 or 18/21 builds.

As Xant said always max out PS and Ath and then spread the other points out between IF and WM depending on preferences.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Fartface on March 23, 2012, 01:25:41 pm

only went full wm when i was lvl 33 , on my 15/27 build:P

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Vibe on March 23, 2012, 01:40:49 pm

Quote from: george on March 23, 2012, 01:25:41 pm

only went full wm when i was lvl 33 , on my 15/27 build:P

Yeah maxing WM is quite useless... but a voice inside me tells me I should max it every time. Don't know why.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: rustyspoon on March 23, 2012, 01:52:56 pm

I've been having a lot of fun with this build:

Strength: 21
Agility: 21
Hit points: 62
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 7
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
Two Handed: 111

You're reasonably strong and fast. The best of both worlds. I've been using a plain old bastard sword with this build. It's hilarious how fast you are.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on March 23, 2012, 02:31:05 pm

Awesome info guys! Thanks... very helpful!

So basically the consensus I'm getting is that WPF matters the least (compared to Power Strike & Athletics). That's good to know, cause basically all 3 of my builds were built around high WPF (especially the AGI Builds). I thought having a high WPF would give a big advantage to your weapon swing speed. But apparently, it's very minimal... and damage and maneuverability are much more important.

I'll re-work my build(s), and get back with you guys. Once again, much appreciated!

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Fartface on March 23, 2012, 02:41:56 pm

Full wm will only work when you go like katana spam , thing is with like 178 2h wpp and 9 ath my german greatsword his thrust were horrible to fight agains realy.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: IceManX on March 23, 2012, 04:50:08 pm

First, u will not have the "Great Maul" and a Sword together. Great Maul has a req. of 3 Slots and Sword has 2. Great Maul also is the Maul with the 21 Strength Requirement.

Aim for the Danish or for the Sword of War. Heirloom them to Masterwork. I am owning a Masterwork Danish, but if I could decide again I would take the Sword of War. It has a Speed of 94 masterworked - which is rly fast for a Longsword like this!
And yes this speed is noticeable.

Test out a build perhaps with a toon and make it to lvl 30.
Also u can test with ur Main and then Respecc or when u have lvl 31 retire.

I dont know where u play, I only play on EU-Servers and most people are using builds with more Agi than Strength.
Only ones that use high Str are the ones that use a Maul often/sometimes (like me).

Go for 21/18 is u wanna use a Maul and want to have a little bit more dmg and health. Or go for 18/21 if u wanna be a little bit faster (u will also make dmg and have durability).

But dont try out a build like 24/15... u will be rly slow compared to the others. The dmg between 18/21 is noticeable, but with 24/15 u will be outspammed and outwalked by the Agi-Builds. Thats why u should better take 21/18, the difference between dmg and speed is not so big.

Or u try an Agi build like 15/24, u will be fast as hell, but the dmg is rly low.

In short:
21/18
18/21
15/24
If u wanna be someday lvl 33-34 u can try to max out the stat was is missing u.
Like 21/21, 18/24, or even 15/27

I am planning on going to lvl 33 and then having a build with 21/21 (5 Inf, 7PS, 7Ath, 7WM)

And one last important thing:
Always max out the PowerStrike, Athletics and the Weaponmaster.
Its stupid having 24 Agi and not having the 8WM or 8Ath and so on ;)

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Xant on March 23, 2012, 06:03:48 pm

IceMan gives some really bad advice. You will never ever get "outspammed" by anyone as long as you know how to play, certainly not if you have a 24-15 build. Maxing weaponmaster is not very smart either. You can max weaponmaster or get 1 extra athl or PS. Maxxed WM is a nice extra but the 0.001% faster swingspeed and 0.5 extra damage isn't worth it compared to the other stuff you could get. I still like taking 3ish WM, since it's not completely useless, mainly because of the extra damage. But the more points you have, the more it'll cost to raise it.

And the benefits are linear. You get as much damage/swingspeed from a jump to 70 wpf from 50 as you do from a jump to 170 from 150. Only difference is that the former costs like 20 wpf points and latter costs 200.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Tore on March 23, 2012, 06:37:49 pm

STR: 15
AGI: 27

5 PS
9 ATH
3 VM or IF

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Ronin on March 23, 2012, 07:51:19 pm

Hmm there is a difference between 111 and 178 wpf. Even for 111 and 140 in my opinion. Somehow 111 might be spammed by a 178, while 140 will be not. I think, best way to learn is to try it out.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Logen on March 23, 2012, 09:56:21 pm

Listen to xant ~~he is dumb as hell~~ he tells the truth, spam has nothing to do with wpf difference

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mlekce on March 23, 2012, 10:27:04 pm

just dont bother trying 27/15 build it sucks. you still need 2-3 hits to kill archer. Total waiste of time and skills.
5 athl is too slow,5ps is also too weak.
i tried 16/24 and it was too weak,i currently have 27/11 but i was thinking to go to 15 agi but i might respec because i get outspammed every time.
18/21 is ok and 21/18 is ok too,18/18 is ok too. No IF is also bad idea you will die from 2 hits or 2 arrows.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Fartface on March 24, 2012, 07:04:46 pm

Also even with an mallet , in 39/3 build.
With 0 wm and only 1h ath and 111 wh wpp in tincan armours.
Unless they're hiltslashing katana spammers couldn't hit me twice in the time i slashed them once , talking about my rightswing ofcource.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: owens on March 25, 2012, 04:15:03 am

21/15

5ath (if using heavy armour 6ath is worthless)
5wm (Thsi is lots)
7PS (lots)
7IF (lots)
around 145wpf(at lvl 30)
This build is finished at 29 at level 30. go 5 riding or 5 PT or 5shield.

Or invest in more str this is a great build for medium to heavy armour and depending on the state of the battlefield when you reach level 30. If archery is a plague get the shield skill if throwing is ok go throwing but be wary that you will have to sacrifice wpf. Don't drop below 120. Investing in more str is sensible but leaves 1 point not used so if you mean to continue past level 31 its a good idea if not I wouldnt.

I went cav last time I used this build. Some of the Sarranid axes do serious damage from horseback but upkeep can be high when paying for your rouncey and you will be vulnerable to ranged and polearm users but for cleaning up infantry its great.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on March 25, 2012, 09:21:07 am

First off... mind you, this is a STF build (so no retiring or looming, or higher levels).

So basically the consensus from everyone (but Iceman, and I'm not saying he's wrong, just that he's in the minority) is that Weapon Master is not that important. Now that's Weapon Master... not necessarily WPF. But with it taking so many points just to make WPF go up (in the later stages)... it's more valuable to spend that point on Power Strike, Athletics, or Iron Flesh... instead of spending a point on Weapon Master, and having it make your WPF only go up by 5 total points (which equals no damage... and the most minute increase in swing speed, if any).

So with this info... basically I see it as this. You have STR Builds & AGI Builds. With STR Builds you max out PS & IF... meaning your builds advantages are high damage & high HP. With AGI Builds you basically just max out Athletics... meaning your only advantage is running speed. To me... that's 2 advantages to 1 advantage... in favor of STR Builds. Now not that maxing out Weapon Master for AGI is a disadvantage... is just not nearly as big as an advantage as adding points to PS, IF, & Athletics.

So with this info... you'd think the easy answer would be to go for a STR Build. Hell 27/12 even... or 24/15 at the least. Cause if you are only maxing out Athletics on a AGI build... and not Weapon Master... why not just go a 27/12 STR Build and really max out your PS & IF.

But here's the thing... something about running fast just seems awesome! Is it just me?! So I think I'm going to go with an 18/21 build. What do guys think about this build below?

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Not the happiest about the damage output of this build (with only 6 PS). But you can't do it all (meaning you can't make a 30/30 build, or we all would). I'm happy with the HP (65). I'm happy with 7 Athletics. But I'm curious if that may be too much? Will it actually be effective? And I'm wonder if 5 or 6 in Athletics will be just fine. If so, then I may would rework it as a STR Build.

The 140 WPF for 2-Handed is nice. It's not too low, so I'm just way out sped by 170+ WPF guys (though I know the speed difference is minimal... but I suck, and can tend to swing late anyways... I'd think a little speed boost will help me somewhat). And with a Danish GS, hopefully I'm able to do enough damage with only 6 PS. And in truth a 21/18 build wouldn't do that much more damage (with only 1 PS more). Now a 24/15 would... but for some reason, I just like the idea of 7 athletics. But I'm wondering if 7 Athletics is over-kill?

And the other disadvantage to only having 18 Str, is that I can't use the Great Maul (which requires 21). But it takes 3 slots, which wouldn't allow me to pair it with a Danish GS. Also with the Danish GS costing 16k, I really need to keep the cost down. Running around with a Great Maul & a Danish GS (if that was possible) would be really expensive... seeing the GM cost nearly 10k. I think I'll just pair it with the Regular Maul which only runs at 1,500 gold. Cost will stay down... and I'll still have a nice alternative when facing a stout Shielders.

So what do you guys think about this 18/21 build? Is the 7 Athletics pointless (mind you I usually wear medium armor to keep cost down)? Should I go 21/18, or even 24/15 (with 5 Athletics, which is not slow, just not fast)?

I appreciate you folks help... and all the great (very helpful) info you guys have given.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on March 25, 2012, 05:29:12 pm

Dang... this STR Build is looking nice!!! Why do I want to run so fast (and go AGI)?!?! Someone honestly tell me if 7 Athletics is over-kill... so I can go with this build below.

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Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Zandieer on March 25, 2012, 06:10:09 pm

Quote from: Mallets on March 25, 2012, 05:29:12 pm

Dang... this STR Build is looking nice!!! Why do I want to run so fast (and go AGI)?!?! Someone honestly tell me if 7 Athletics is over-kill... so I can go with this build below.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Hit points: 75

Skills to attributes: 8

Ironflesh: 8
Power Strike: 8
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 2

Two Handed: 125

My irl friend has been using that build for ages. And he's kicking ass. While I'm 18-21 pole with 140wpf, he is 24-15 2hand 120wpf and kicks my ass with a poleaxe. Yes, 1 wpf. He's really fast, even with 1 wpf. It's more about the player than the stats, really :wink:

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Xant on March 26, 2012, 04:59:24 am

Mallets, 7 athletics is not overkill in the least. That 18-21 build looks solid. There is no such thing as "overkill" when it comes to athletics. 7 is where you'll be slightly faster than the average player. Average athletics tends to be 5-6. The higher your athletics, the better. 8 and 9 athletics is where it really gets fun.

As for the wpf, you're not out sped by the 170 wpf guys because of their (and your) wpf. Really. You're not. It's because they're a) turning into their swings b) have their footwork down. With more athletics you can use your movement speed to hit faster. A 30 wpf difference will, quite literally, have no effect whatsoever on your swingspeed. Definitely not enough of a difference to cheat you out of your 'turn' (attack-block-attack-block rhytm).

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on March 26, 2012, 05:18:14 am

Awesome! Thanks Xant! We'll it's settled. The 18-21 AGI Build it is then!!!

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And thanks to all you folks who've helped out with some great information. And whether I took your advice or not... I appreciate the time you took to help!

You know... all this is kind of foolish! I've went through all this trouble (and so did you guys) to still get slaughtered after luckily blocking someone's first attack! :P

Oh well... maybe with this build I can go 1-5 instead of 0-5!!! 8-)

Honestly... this game is great! I've never had so much fun at sucking!!! Once again, thanks so much!

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Xant on March 26, 2012, 05:34:59 am

Yep, go for that build and it won't be the build holding you down at least. Many of the best two hand players have used that build. Now you just need to practice! After enough playtime you'll know which way you want to tweak the build, if you do. If you feel like you're not doing enough damage/not fast enough. But 6 PS is definitely enough with a Greatsword. A masterworked sword will also practically add ~1 PS, once you get one.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Vibe on March 26, 2012, 08:22:23 am

18/21 is very solid, 7 ATH is enough to be very fast even in medium-high armor (and really fast in light), but I would still watch your total weight as to not reduce your running speed too much.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Fartface on March 26, 2012, 08:25:25 am

Lower IF by 2 or 3 or the WM , believe me having a shield nowadays is so handy.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: BlackMilk on March 27, 2012, 04:50:55 pm

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 15
Agility: 24
Hit points: 60
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 0
Athletics: 8
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 148
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

vs.

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Hit points: 59
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 8
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 116
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

which one is better and why?

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on April 11, 2012, 04:35:29 am

Ok... so I was suppose to with this 18/21 build I mentioned above. Here it is for reference.

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I really like the way that build looks. As of now, I'm level 27, and my current build looks like so.

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Now let me explain my issue. Here's my dilemma... I'm actually satisfied with my incomplete 18/15 build. I don't find any great lack in Power or Speed. I'm satisfied with my ability to kill, and my running & swing speeds. Of course I'd love more in both... but I can't have that. So now... which do I improve... Power or Speed? So now I'm torn between going the 18/21 build (above) or this 24/15 Build.

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Now basically I've mentioned all this before... but I done so before even starting on the build. Now I have a little experience... and here is what I'm finding with my current build.

With 6 PS, I'm finding myself killing guys decently. One hitting cloth and some light armor guys. And two hitting some medium armored folks (if I get lucky).

If damage seems enough, then you'd think the simple answer would be to stay with 18 STR and go 18/21.

However, I'm finding myself running just as fast as most player as well. Mind you I'm a NA player, but I'm certainly not left behind with 5 Athletics. And more often then not, I'm out in front, cause I'm faster than the majority of melee players.

So now at level 27, I'm at a point where I have to make a decision where my next Attribute points should go. Do I go for 2 more PS and 10 more HP? Or do I go for 2 more Athletics and 15 more WPF? Basically Power or Speed?

I know, just as above, some folks will side Power... some Speed. I'm sorry to bring it all up again. But I'm finding my dilemma in the fact that I find my build satisfying as is. I'm not finding much lack in my Power or Speed with an incomplete 18/15 build.

So what I need to know now is... which do you think I'd find the greatest noticeable advantage? 2 more PS & 10 HP? Or 2 more ATH & 15 WPF? My main question is this... which set will be the most noticeable jump from my current state? Will 8 PS guarantee me 2-hit deaths for Medium Armored enemies? Will 7 Athletics make the world of difference compared to 5 Athletics?

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A little character info on Son_of_Mallets (my 2-Hander Build) might help you give info that would help me.

I play on NA servers. I mainly play Battle. At least that's what this character is for. I'm not looking to duel (plus I suck)... but would love to have an advantage in 1-on-1 fights (who wouldn't).

I carry a Danish GS & a Maul (I like having the option of Crushthrough when facing Shielders. So maybe the 24/15 STR Build would better).

I'm normally wear about 11.5 weight. My armor being the Black Lamellar Vest (9.1 weight), Spiked Helmet (1.8), Khergit Leather Boots (.5), & Leather Gloves (.1).

But when I'm at x3 or above, I wear the Rus Scale Armor (18.1) for 20.5 total weight. Hopefully when I have a good gold stockpile, I'll always wear this.

I'm just learning to block. Over the last week, the game has slowed down significantly. I can see attacks coming now. Doesn't mean I win or live... but I'm getting better.

While I'm sure more PS will mean more kills. I do like running down light/cloth armor guys who try to run away from the group (I try to stick with a group most of the time). And if I can catch these lightly/cloth armored guys, I'll definitely be able to kill them with 6 PS (at least 2 hit them).

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I hope all this makes sense?! And I hope you guys can help?! Any info and personal experience would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks,

Mallets

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Xant on April 11, 2012, 06:55:04 am

Quote from: Mallets on April 11, 2012, 04:35:29 am

Will 8 PS guarantee me 2-hit deaths for Medium Armored enemies? Will 7 Athletics make the world of difference compared to 5 Athletics?

Athletics will help you more. It'll let you sneak in free hits against players when it normally wouldn't be your turn to hit and let you choose your fights. Just running 0.1% faster than the 5 guys chasing you means you won't be caught by them. Running 0.1% slower means you'll get hit, stunned and then ganged by them all. Same goes for when you chase. The difference will naturally be more than 0.1% as well.

But really, I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Most of the arguments have already been said.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on April 11, 2012, 09:47:35 am

Quote from: Xant on April 11, 2012, 06:55:04 am

But really, I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Most of the arguments have already been said.

Yeah... I just hate having choices! It's the worst for me! So indecisive! Basically I'm hoping one of you guys would just come over to my house and click points into STR or AGI. 8-)

Thanks for the help again Xant!

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Vibe on April 11, 2012, 10:06:18 am

flip a coin

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Ronin on April 11, 2012, 03:18:39 pm

Hmm, since talking on greatswords; have you considered using a german greatsword? Two handed swords' one of the adventages over polearm is long thrust range. Also it has a very tricky animation. With 18/21 build, you can utilize from the athletics speed bonus to damage and hit like a pro. my only mw weapon is German greatsword, and I never regret it. I even use it with my 15/24 xbow/twohanded build. It is a pro weapon I believe.

Also: Never go for a sword of war. It's speed does not worth it, that it's appearance makes it an easy weapon to block. Just my personal opinion.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on April 11, 2012, 04:31:49 pm

Quote from: Ronin on April 11, 2012, 03:18:39 pm

Also: Never go for a sword of war. It's speed does not worth it, that it's appearance makes it an easy weapon to block. Just my personal opinion.

Yeah, and it looks ugly compared to the Danish/German (at least I think so). And it's really all about looking sexy on the battelfield!

Thanks for the info, will have to try the Greman.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Ronin on April 11, 2012, 05:41:13 pm

Great I'm selling a +3 german at market, Go buy it now :P

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Kelden on April 11, 2012, 09:58:20 pm

I have done 15/24 and my damage output was fine using a non mw danish, if you go 15/24 use a greatsword, if it's mw it will be even better.

IF 2
PS 5
Ath 8
WM 8

Wpf adds damage and slight speed and weapon handling, it will be more noticeable with a slower greatsword.

You will have superior/= range and mobility++ over your opponents and will be able to catchup to archers and throwers in a flash, they will get maybe 1-2 shots when they see you closing and if they miss its no mercy, you can also dance around lance and sword cav allday.

Use the danish or german to take maximum effect of your range and you will need the high base damage to go with it.

If 15/24 is a little too much for you try 18/21, you will have slightly more hp and do a little bit more damage, anything less and you should change your playstyle to a more heavily armored infantry.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on April 12, 2012, 12:07:12 am

Cool, thanks for all the info guys! As I had originally decided... I'm going with the 18/21 Build.

Sorry again for all the run around. I just didn't think that I'd be satisfied at 18/15... and that I'd see a major flaw and it would make me choose one way or another. But I found both damage and speed to be acceptable at that point... so I just didn't know which way to progress. Agility it is!

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Ronin on April 12, 2012, 02:12:12 pm

Quote from: Mallets on April 12, 2012, 12:07:12 am

Cool, thanks for all the info guys! As I had originally decided... I'm going with the 18/21 Build.

Sorry again for all the run around. I just didn't think that I'd be satisfied at 18/15... and that I'd see a major flaw and it would make me choose one way or another. But I found both damage and speed to be acceptable at that point... so I just didn't know which way to progress. Agility it is!

It is a very wise choice. Perhaps the best! If you do not have any masterwork weapon, I can give you my mw german from time to time on servers if I see you. I don't use it now anyway.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: zagibu on April 12, 2012, 10:30:40 pm

Quote from: Xant on April 11, 2012, 06:55:04 am

Athletics will help you more. It'll let you sneak in free hits against players when it normally wouldn't be your turn to hit and let you choose your fights. Just running 0.1% faster than the 5 guys chasing you means you won't be caught by them. Running 0.1% slower means you'll get hit, stunned and then ganged by them all. Same goes for when you chase. The difference will naturally be more than 0.1% as well.

Yeah, you can jump in, hiltslash-spam a dude, then run away from his comrades like a ~~coward~~ pro player.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on April 16, 2012, 04:59:18 am

Being an 18/21 AGI Build (7 Athletics)... how much weight is too much weight?

I wear different armors depending on my multiplier. Normally, I'm wearing Black Lamellar Vest (9.1 weight), at x1 & x2. At x3 & above, I'm wearing the Rus Scale Armor (18.1). For both sets, I'm wearing the Spiked Helmet (1.8), Rus Cavalry Boots (.8), & Leather Gloves (.1).

Basically, I want to know if I'm foolish for going to the Rus Scale Armor? Should I stay lighter? I really like that I can take licks with it. But I'm curious if I'm really hindering myself by going this route.

I know the simple answer is... play more and find out. But I just all-around suck still... so I'm just curious what the professional opinions will be.

Also, I like carrying the Maul (5 weight) along side my Danish GS... for when I come across shielders. Am I foolish for bring it along, seeing it adds 5 weight?

Lastly.... just a theoretical question... I really think I look sexy in the Rus Scale Armor... if I decide I want to stay with it... would a 2-Hander with 20 or so weight be better suited for a STR build, since my running speed will be slower cause of the weight?

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Vibe on April 16, 2012, 08:14:01 am

Get better gauntlets, leather gloves is too low. Gauntlets is still the best armor/weight. I wouldn't go above rus scale with 18/21 build.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: bosco on April 16, 2012, 05:48:09 pm

Quote from: Mallets on April 16, 2012, 04:59:18 am

Lastly.... just a theoretical question... I really think I look sexy in the Rus Scale Armor... if I decide I want to stay with it... would a 2-Hander with 20 or so weight be better suited for a STR build, since my running speed will be slower cause of the weight?

Maybe try a 24/15 build next? I'm currently playing one generation with 27/12 in full plate and MW Danish. In battle, it's a bit too slow to backpedal, so I'll go 24/15 next gen.

But I mostly play STR builds because there is nothing making me rage more than hitting people with weak armor on the head and them not dying.

And I'm not 1337 enough to duel 2h pros for a prolonged amount of time, so I gotta make sure they drop dead after two hits while soaking up damage myself.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Ronin on April 16, 2012, 06:12:10 pm

Quote from: bosco on April 16, 2012, 05:48:09 pm

Maybe try a 24/15 build next? I'm currently playing one generation with 27/12 in full plate and MW Danish. In battle, it's a bit too slow to backpedal, so I'll go 24/15 next gen.

But I mostly play STR builds because there is nothing making me rage more than hitting people with weak armor on the head and them not dying.

And I'm not 1337 enough to duel 2h pros for a prolonged amount of time, so I gotta make sure they drop dead after two hits while soaking up damage myself.

27/12 is not good for duels. For duels, I think AGI dominant builds have always better chance, if both players are very experienced.

27/12 however, is a great build for Sieges in my opinion. Where athletics doesn't matter much, and 9 power strike and high health makes your real tough. If you like it that way don't go for 24/15 if yopu ask me. After you hit medium armored enemies, they can be still alive with 4-5 health left. Which makes no difference between 8 PS and 6-7 PS sometimes. I know, cause I tried 24/15.

If you want a faster build, I think 21/18 or 18/21 is better. Not 100% sure which one is better, though. But I tried an arbalester with a build of 15/24 and 90 wpf in two hand. It was only one-hit weaker than 24/15 pure 2hander build, in terms of damage and survival.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Vote on April 17, 2012, 02:09:45 am

After several testings on duel server I can say that build 15/24 is not good for 1 on 1 fightings versus well armored enemies because you need many hits to get him down like 4, 5, 6... while you die in 1-3. On the other hand you can get alot of kills on battle and siege servers but mostly vs low armored enemies or gangbang. I tested that build with body armor values 55-65 and mw danish.

But Xant has right too, low athletics isnot good on a battle server because you will get ganged, imo 18/21 or 21/21 at level 30 must be best builds.

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Mallets on April 17, 2012, 02:54:09 am

Quote from: Vote on April 17, 2012, 02:09:45 am

But Xant has right too, low athletics isnot good on a battle server because you will get ganged, imo 18/21 or 21/21 at level 30 must be best builds.

I've taken Xant's advice and shooting for an 18/21 (currently at lvl 27). Yeah, I believe this is the case as well... that's Athletics is very important. Hence the question that I'm hoping will be answered...

... is it foolish to wear 20 total weight of armor with my 18/21 build? Am I just killing my 7 Athletics by wearing heavy-ish armor?

As mentioned above... I ask all this cause I really think I look sexy in Rus Scale Armor (which weighs 18.1). And I love that it takes several hits to kills me. But just curious if I'm taking away my greatest strength... mobility & speed... by wear approximately 20 weight of armor?

Title: Re: Greatsword Build Help
Post by: Tzar on April 17, 2012, 03:00:52 am

just aim for 21/21 its bound to win it has everything you need :!: