From my inventory:
Masterwork Side Sword 9368
weight 1.3
requirement 8
spd rtng 103
weapon length 95
swing damage 36, cut
thrust damage 29 pierce
How is 103 speed with 36 cut and 29 pierce damage OP? :mrgreen:
I'll gladly trade it for a MW long espada.
Or leave speed since it's not a big sword and lower the damage to 30.
if your going to nerf it, just nerf the speed, leave damage alone
:shock:
Man. It's a fairy little renaissance rapier looking sword. The cut damage it has is stupid and illogical. It only does 1 less damage than the niewiedao (sp?) which is a heavy cleaving blade, only 3 less than the frickin cleaver. It makes no sense whatsoever.
x2.
I like fairy-like renaissance type swords, but I do believe they should get thrust damage and crappy ass cut damage, much like the regular espada.
Its not a rapier, its palash like backsword.
In a "normal" battle with my 1h I need 3 or 4 shields
Even the most stupid person in this community should know by now that a mediocre player going polearm-spammer or twohandstabber or crushthroughretard will be on top of the scoreboard all the time.
It is so easy to kill a 1h in 1 vs 1
- outspam (katana)
Block, counter attack, win (if its a ninja, against people that wear armour you might have to repeat)
- spam swing run and backpedal (long hafted blade, maces etc.)
Dont play into his game, let him backpedal out of reach and then turn and run for teammates. Or block, block, counter attack/feint, win.
- destroy his shield with one hit (poleaxes, great long axe)
The counter to shields kills shield users? Wow, who'd have thought.
- crush through his shield (barmace)
Barmace is being nerfed. Currently is completely ridiculous.
- dance circle backpedal and stab (greatsword)
somewhat agree, but completely unrelated to 1hs. Again good blocking and feints should be enough to see you through. If you have good blocking and feints and still got beat you just got outplayed.
- super nerd authistic feint spam (awlpikes)
Hold right mouse button down till you hear the "thump". Also spam works excellent against people that feint too much.
All these options are totally easy to do and need absolutely no "skill".
And are totally easy to defeat.
In a "normal" battle with my 1h I need 3 or 4 shields, with shield skill 5, and against most of the enemies I am even fighting without shield because its easier.
You're doing it wrong.
With 7 powerstrike I need 4 hits on the average 2h/poleguy, I have to block him many many times, and one single mistake what doesnt take much with my horrible internet connection and the general crpg lag and stuttering animations and my girl is dead.
Nice, so we should buff 1hs to compensate for your crappy connection and pc? Oh and if you're getting killed in 1 hit, get some decent armour.
Its silly to discuss 1h and overpowered, its the class thats hardest to play. (Maybe except some weird people who choose to play with pike only and fight 1 vs 1 all the time against shielders but thats their problem for being a nerd and not understanding their role on the battlefield).
Always classy calling someone a nerd on a gaming forum. Psst, you're posting on a gaming forum, you're a nerd as well.
On realism, there are many ridiculous things in this arcade game, be it 2h stab with 6 yards reach or run around and spam your huge sword or axe with an insane speed and never getting tired.
Side sword.Look at the designs. Here's another one.
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Its not a rapier.
Even the most stupid person in this community should know by now that a mediocre player going polearm-spammer or twohandstabber or crushthroughretard will be on top of the scoreboard all the time.
It is so easy to kill a 1h in 1 vs 1
- outspam (katana)
- spam swing run and backpedal (long hafted blade, maces etc.)
- destroy his shield with one hit (poleaxes, great long axe)
- crush through his shield (barmace)
- dance circle backpedal and stab (greatsword)
- super nerd authistic feint spam (awlpikes)
All these options are totally easy to do and need absolutely no "skill".
In a "normal" battle with my 1h I need 3 or 4 shields, with shield skill 5, and against most of the enemies I am even fighting without shield because its easier.
With 7 powerstrike I need 4 hits on the average 2h/poleguy, I have to block him many many times, and one single mistake what doesnt take much with my horrible internet connection and the general crpg lag and stuttering animations and my girl is dead.
Its silly to discuss 1h and overpowered, its the class thats hardest to play. (Maybe except some weird people who choose to play with pike only and fight 1 vs 1 all the time against shielders but thats their problem for being a nerd and not understanding their role on the battlefield).
On realism, there are many ridiculous things in this arcade game, be it 2h stab with 6 yards reach or run around and spam your huge sword or axe with an insane speed and never getting tired.
Olol not this shit again.
L2P seriously. Any half decent Sword&Board can kill a good 2 hander.
If seeing players constantly switch builds has taught me anything, it's this: any good player in a melee build is perfectly capable of killing everyone else.
I use balanced side sword. And its good against noobs and medium players. But I still can't kill best twohanders with it. SO NERF 2HANDERS for lulz!
On the serious note, side sword is quite expensive, and often I lose 500 gold per round just for having side sword with me. So, you bunch of twohanders calm down and live with the fact that shielders also have expensive weapons, just like u do. As for realism: DO U SERIOUSLY THINK U CAN SO EASILY SWING UR HUGE HEAVY TWOHANDERS IN REAL LIFE LIKE U DO IT IN CRPG? LOL
Side sword is less expensive than most top tier 2handers/polearms
True. It's just that you need a shield to go with that one handed sword to make it viable. If I was going to use it without a shield I'm better off taking a 2h weapon.
A sidesword with an elite cavalry shield is allready more expensive than the danish greatsword.
I agree with you guys. Fast, can deal a lot of damage, and it's usable with shields..
Yeah, I want a personal tac. nuke too.
If you know the Ru_Conquista group in EU battle servers, you know what I'm talking about. They can slaughter masses by abusing that weapon's current stats. Insane.
Even with a poleaxe, I start fighting with them, shield needs a lot of hits to kill, (high shield skill, I guess), and the speed I have to counter is worse than katana/spammitar in my opinion.
you mean nerfed the long espada? Ya that was my sword before the patch....Yes, my fault, i ment nerfed. :) I will use it anyway after I retired, cause it has style and the range is still a good reason to choose the long Espada.
That sword was my baby! But then they nerfed it and buffed the side sword so it was time to move on :/Maybe, but you still can heirloom it and then it's quite powerful and it has it's speed back.
The only way to get a hit on a 2h/polearmguy for me is that the 2h/polearmguy makes a mistake.
The only way to kill a 2h/polearmguy for a 1h man is that the 2h/polearmguy makes many mistakes, because a 1h doesnt do much damage.
the side sword has doesnt make a big difference, 1hs damage is not much, thats the main prob of this class.
60 prof, 5 PS? Errrr... what do you expect?
1h should have lower damage but slowly with the new weapons implemented the gap of 2h damage and 1h is always getting thinner.
When steel pick has 33 pierce and morningstar 38 only 5 difference.
When warhammer 31 blunt and bar mace/long iron mace have 33 to 35 blunt 2 to 4 difference.
Yea nice gap between the 2 weapon styles...
1h should have lower damage but slowly with the new weapons implemented the gap of 2h damage and 1h is always getting thinner.
When steel pick has 33 pierce and morningstar 38 only 5 difference.
When warhammer 31 blunt and bar mace/long iron mace have 33 to 35 blunt 2 to 4 difference.
Yea nice gap between the 2 weapon styles...
thats more then awlpike =/
1h should have lower damage but slowly with the new weapons implemented the gap of 2h damage and 1h is always getting thinner.
When steel pick has 33 pierce and morningstar 38 only 5 difference.
When warhammer 31 blunt and bar mace/long iron mace have 33 to 35 blunt 2 to 4 difference.
Yea nice gap between the 2 weapon styles...
You compare the cheaper 2h with the expensive 1h. Try this Light Spiked Club 20 pierce...
Sidesword vs. Cookies/Poleaxe = 32 vs 40, that makes some difference (+50% or more damage against armor).
How am I comparing cheap 2h vs expensive 1h?
Were did I mention cut damage in my post? please show me.
Steel pick has nearly same damage of a 2h/pole piercing weapon while being able to use a shield.
Warhammer has very little difference in damage of a 2h/pole blunt weapon while being able to use a shield.
How am I comparing cheap 2h vs expensive 1h?
Were did I mention cut damage in my post? please show me.
Steel pick has nearly same damage of a 2h/pole piercing weapon while being able to use a shield.
Warhammer has very little difference in damage of a 2h/pole blunt weapon while being able to use a shield.
Pretty sure 1handers are not meant to do the same damage as 2 handers.
thats why many 2hander look down when turning around and hitting your legsI tend to hit the legs but it is not on purpose, it is because of the position of the camera. I see the action better from above my character and this makes him strike low.
Do I really need to say the prices? steel pick 7k (5th best) Morningstar 4k (almost "peasant weapon").
You may complain that 1h has top tier blunt while 2h only gets top tier swords but that certainly doesn't mean 1h weapons on general aren't doing only 2/3 or 1/2 the damage of their 2h counterparts.
Either dmg or spd is gonna need a reduction of 3 maybe have a poll to see which?