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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 15, 2012, 10:15:17 am
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The removle of side swings to the LV has been a pretty huge nerf on a weapon that has only ever been, okay.
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I've spent a bit of time going over this, thing.
I've come to a completely different conclusion than my original one.
Leave it unbalanced, leave it slow as balls, keep its completely useless poke, and in compensation for it only really having one attack direction that can't be used from the high ground on hills, or on stairs and even when you can use it, the jengy piece of antediluvian shit gets jammed in the ground of wiffs on some duded accidentally trolling your behind, or funnier still you smack some poor bloke behind you with it when he walks into your swing and he Ms you out of ignorance and rage.
So keeping all that in mind, the idea is that when you finally, mostly through luck land a shot on some poor bastard, the thing is a real melon popper and you get all mono-directional medieval on his ass.
By buffing its over head damage it makes it different from the Swiss Hal, but leaves it with its plethora of draw backs. It shouldn't make it op because you still send a telegram anytime you bloody swing it, getting over headed by the LV either means you a) can't block or b) just got poked by a pike, very rarely it means c) I clang bangered you good (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28769.0.html).
So in closing, it shouldn't make it OP, but it will give it a lovely little niche roll as a team killing machine... I mean as a support weapon. Great for standing your ground and smashing those pesky shields on the shield wall.
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This weapon is completely fucked now. It can only be used against retards and some times in massive groups, but half the time it catches on a friendly behind you and gets blocked in the cluster fucks.
The thrust does no damage its like the thrust on the katana. Its a trap, if you use it and it gets blocked it a free hit for your opponent. The speed of the Swiss makes it work, but this is super slow, has a thrust that does nothing and only 2 attack directions... oh wait, 1. Its the only weapon in the game that only has an over head. FUCKING FIX IT FFS!
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Also I just did some testing of the over heads catching on the guy behind you. The weapon is a good foot above their head... This has been an issue for a long time, its been bitched about tirelessly. But it really fucks the strat battles up have 2h and pole arm over heads reduced to useless once your in an actual formation.
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love the voulge or suffer countless cactus BJ!!!!
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And another thing!
Was thinking about the Voulge and reading about it vs Glaives and other medieval polearms.
Put its speed up to 88 and the weight up to 5 (or at least 4.5) leave all the other crap the same, that will at least give it something.
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The poll results seem quite clear.
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I think a lot of people chose the last option, because it just was too funny :P
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Well my looms do consist of a LV at the moment lol.
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The crowd demands to remove them NOAW! :lol:
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Fine, I hate democracy.
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Return to life my blessed creature.
"LIVE DAMN YOU LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H3dFh6GA-A
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I won't be satisfied with these petty damage increases. Give it back side swings. Get rid of the overhead and thrust if you have to keep it at two attack directions.
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I won't be satisfied with these petty damage increases. Give it back side swings. Get rid of the overhead and thrust if you have to keep it at two attack directions.
lol, I assume that's a fine troll your trolling. How trolly.
I should go remove the, leave it how it is option. Never good to let people voice their ill thought out opinions, that's why forums will be banned when I am king, and all your moths will be sewn shut!
FRANK 2012! Vote Now Vote Often!
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lol, I assume that's a fine troll your trolling. How trolly.
No, not at all. Without the sideswings the Long Voulge just isn't the weapon it was born to be. I have a +2 sitting in my inventory, waiting for the day they bring them back. Overhead and thrust are awful, tasteless jokes. The true Long Voulge Master Race will not be satisfied with anything less than bringing back side-swings.
An opinion that is different than yours is not automatically trolling, Frank.
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Oh I didn't take it like that, it was just the idea of side swings only. I would love to be able to leap about loping peoples heads off :D
I found an interesting bug yesterday. Use it in DTV and you to will see the bug, the bots think its going to stab no matter what attck you use, so they just walk at you and get slapped in the head, now if only I was rolling a 27/12 :/ my 18 6PS can one hit the first 3 waves and then it all goes to poo.
But I do agree it is a truly awful weapon that I am now fixated with :( I really don't get why the left to right was removed, was it really op? I mean its so slow! Once they are at the tip of the LV you can't attack them any more you have to run away or do what I do and yank out a dagger.
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I thought they nerfed it because it is a relatively inexpensive weapon that isn't terrible. Thus it was the perfect choice for low end pole-arms in strategus.
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Yeah that is more or less what they did. But they accidentally made it more or less complete shit.
I've had it said "Frank you get kills stop having a cry" to which I retort "wahhh, wahhh" one can get kills with a trident but that doesn't mean it isn't the arse end of the universe. Before it was okayish, I'm just asking for a return to 'okayish'. Hence a buff to cut. Really though left to right swing would be pimp, but given its longer than the Swiss Hal, its kind of hard justify.
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Yeah it was perfectly balanced. Was just a strategus balance issue. I say bring it back to what it was (less damage if you must be bogus about it), and just make it cost more.
Military Scythes got pooped on too, but at least they're still functional against 30 armor and below.
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I found an interesting bug yesterday. Use it in DTV and you to will see the bug, the bots think its going to stab no matter what attck you use, so they just walk at you and get slapped in the head, now if only I was rolling a 27/12 :/ my 18 6PS can one hit the first 3 waves and then it all goes to poo.
The bots in DTV can only block down, not any other direction.
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Since when? I call bullshit!
On the matter of strat balance, I'm really not sure the LV needed the nerf for it, but it's not my call to make. So many different things need to be balanced in strat. The way most strat fights turn out I think the in its current state it will be a very low use weapon, the swiss hal is a night mare to get going with in the massive cluster fucks, the over head is rarely used. I think if it got more bang for buck on the few shots it lands it would in some way make up for all the other crap that it has stacked against it.
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No one is talking about the Long Volouge, how distressing.
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so... any word on say... a buff :D?
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New point, this thing is the easiest weapon to chamber I have ever used. Its easier than the long maul. Its chamber gap is as wide as sallys gap.
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Has anyone actually watched Frank use his? Its amazing what he can do with it, really from just watching frank a few times it could use less cut damage if anything.
I've seen this man kill people with just the back swing on an over head, granted it was a teammate, but it was Breathtaking .
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lol hahaha you son of a bitch.
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I will lower the kilts, IF! I recompense my beloved is given a little love rub. I mean the Long Volouge...
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How dare you!
Talk about the Long Volouge now or I will kill you in your dreams!
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Buff it.
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Yeah! listen to george!
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Yeaaaah! Nerf the Lon......
Down with Fran.... damnit still not right.
Bate with nate! Bate with nate! (nailed it)
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You devil!
BUFF THE LONG VOLOUGE!
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Just an idea what if they gave it side swings and overhead but no stab?
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Buff it!
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either buff it or let it have sideswings
seriously it's a voulge, one of the most deadliest weapons of the medieval times that the franks used.
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Just make it shoot laser beams ffs. Then buff it's cut damage.
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FREAKING LASER BEAMS OUT OF ITS FREAKING STABBY BIT!
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Buff torch by letting it be thrown!
Wait I mean long voulge lets throw that too!
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just add side swings and it will be fine
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No I like the sound of thorwing better. I'll deploy a weapons rack and hurl them like the Simpson's cat lady hurls cats.
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Totally came up with a better idea than all my other ideas woot. Lower its req to 15str. Then you can use it to it's full potential as the over head version of the pike ;D
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It should be possible to remove other people's facial hair with long voulge.
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hells yeah, and it should blow the clothes off female characters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMQLrnbBgE&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmVtjaTHinE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7dSsZDPUs&feature=fvst