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Title: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 02:47:24 pm
I want say how I HATE you all lancers who aim for the other lancer horrsy on the battelfield.

That probably becouse half of you havent idea how to use lance proper.

Btw what do you think about that????

Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Smoothrich on March 09, 2012, 02:51:56 pm
100 percent agreed.

I can easily outlance most people, sadly 90 percent of cav use coursers and aim for horses head, so I will kill them in 1 shot but they will leave my horse at black health or something.  The only way to effectively counter this is to totally ignore enemy cav or also aim for their heads, both of which is dishonourable.  So now I'll just go back to heavy cav and tank the scrub thrusts at my horse all round every round.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Overdriven on March 09, 2012, 02:53:12 pm
Dehorsing is a valid tactic. Leaves the enemy horseman usually surrounded by cav/enemies somewhere useless and away from the fight. It's often less risky as well and easier if the enemy lancer has a shield to block your attack.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 02:53:20 pm
yea I still kills half of them but my ponny is always half dead after that.... what a point be knight lanc on the face.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Vibe on March 09, 2012, 02:54:06 pm
make horses invincible
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Cepeshi on March 09, 2012, 02:54:16 pm
There is no such thing as honor when it is about war.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 02:58:54 pm
i know but that is still pussy move for me
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: [ptx] on March 09, 2012, 03:00:38 pm
Scummy scrubs, this is why i generally avoid cav-to-cav fights on my main :mad:
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Cepeshi on March 09, 2012, 03:01:24 pm
But yeah, it is a lame move, but still, lots of people, if not most, do it.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Tindel on March 09, 2012, 03:05:25 pm
Horses are number one priority to kill no matter what spec i play.

Fuck horses
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on March 09, 2012, 03:09:14 pm
yeah i hate this also, i try to remember which guys dont go for the horse and in that case im aiming for the rider, if im not sure ill go for the horse as ill probably end up dehorsed or with nearly dead horse

ah the good old times when the lance angle was normal, and dehorsing attempts where pretty rare

Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Adamar on March 09, 2012, 03:18:17 pm
Archer here, horses are indeed a priority. KILL THEM ALL!
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Fartface on March 09, 2012, 03:20:26 pm
I was the kind of cav that gets 90% of his kills from the other lancers.
courcer , light armour , heavy lance and just get in lance duels and beat them.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 03:21:15 pm
yea its like tommy said lancers cav is less skill based now, any my old friend can ride around couch, backstab or kill others player ponny,
Its why  some good lancers left game, kiling class is not solution, curent lance system suck coz good players have to play on whay wich they dosent like.

If ther is any solution to fix it.... Its not about whole hores aiming gameplay, its about whole cav playstyle.
 
cav  works like that now:

-backstab

-couch

-bump to deatch

-aim for lancer and dei like my old friend after ponnys death

-try to hit enemy in front fight wich mainlly faill(if he isnt retarded)

i am not whining to buff cav.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Casimir on March 09, 2012, 03:29:05 pm
Sort your life out you polish wreck of a man
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 03:31:41 pm
Well, i played cavalry for 1 gen and that is the utmost reason i stopped playing it.

Haters gonna hate. Trolls gonna troll.  Envious gonna envy. Yet i will continue to triumph over.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Oberyn on March 09, 2012, 03:46:48 pm
Because you were horribly bad at it?
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Casimir on March 09, 2012, 04:00:19 pm
no, he's horribly bad at everything.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Cepeshi on March 09, 2012, 04:01:22 pm
No one is worse than me  :twisted:
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on March 09, 2012, 04:08:24 pm
the only solution is reverting to old lance angle .. but that wont gonna happen ;] anyway what i think the the lance angle changed in the gameplay

old lance angle :
- more skilled cav vs cav, you attack 5 lancers alone and if you are truly better than them you will get 5 kills
- less cav in servers, as they had really hard time vs good ones
- cav more eager to do cav vs cav fights, as its so much more fun in it
- 1h cav having more problems vs lancers
- K:D ratio, same as with new lance angle
- killing aware inf (2h), a little bit easier, due to side thrust, with proper movement you could avoid horse damage better, other inf classes not affected
- killing aware archers, a little bit more easier, as if you miss them first time, you can slow down and work on them intterupting their attack with lance until they are dead

new lance angle :
- less skilled cav vs cav, you attack 5 lancers alone you get 1-2 kills and if you are not dehorsed by now you are probably fleeing from the rest on your back
- more cav in servers, as their chances vs cav are bigger, and its easier to avoid other cav
- cav less eager to do cav vs cav fights, as they will get dehorsed most of the time (due to frontal attack only) and more focused on killing infantry/avoiding other cav
- 1h cav having less problems vs lancers
- K:D ratio, same as with the old lance angle
- killing aware inf (2h), a little bit harder, due to only frontal attack with good inf players you are going for a trade off, 2h hits horse you hit him
- killing aware archers, a little bit more harder, they are very fast on foot, if you miss you dont slow down and work on them from close distance as you will get dehorsed

anyway ;p ever since bluegreen bashed me for dehorsing him, we talked for a bit and now im aiming strictly for him as he is aiming for me ;) maybe a list of some sort with lancers that are aiming for lancers not horses would be a good idea ;]
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 04:08:44 pm
Dear Rebelyell: I can't understand anything you're saying. You're spelling/grammar is so terrible it literally makes my eyes bleed.

I took the time to read your post, so from now on I will be aiming for your horses head.

Here's a picture of a horse dying for you:
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Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: SixThumbs on March 09, 2012, 04:21:11 pm
Chagan, I don't understand how reverting the lance angle and making it easier is going to mean less cav. You also have less cav vs. cav without "underhanded" tactics because at the start of the round no one on a horse wants to risk dying immediately or even later gambling on a head on joust.

Although none of this matters to me as a 2h cav and if you target me as a lancer I'm going to force a rear and hit you in the back.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 04:23:48 pm
Dear Rebelyell: I can't understand anything you're saying. You're spelling/grammar is so terrible it literally makes my eyes bleed.

I took the time to read your post, so from now on I will be aiming for your horses head.

Here's a picture of a horse dying for you:
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i will use trolls weapon

i don't care

and where is that pic?????
i am really about to see that?
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 04:27:12 pm
i will use trolls weapon

i don't care

and where is that pic?????
i am really about to see that?
You shouldn't be allowed to post on the forums without going through a translator.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Casimir on March 09, 2012, 04:29:02 pm
He's polish, what do you expect?
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 04:32:12 pm
He's polish, what do you expect?
Google translator at the least.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 04:34:24 pm
You should cut the crap chat you silly silly jelly knight.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: isatis on March 09, 2012, 04:34:35 pm
Dear Rebelyell: I can't understand anything you're saying. You're spelling/grammar is so terrible it literally makes my eyes bleed.

I took the time to read your post, so from now on I will be aiming for your horses head.

Here's a picture of a horse dying for you:
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Fixed
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 04:46:37 pm
Me dear Kreczor I promis then I will use  vocabulary all the time,
I will take care about any single gramar thing
all the time when i post something on the forum
ect.... bla bla bla

btw gogle translator is a shit, but you  probably can't know those because you are form usa, and only one language what you know is usalisch.

btw if you want still makes offtopic here at last put something about a topic here.






Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Christo on March 09, 2012, 04:47:50 pm
Me dear Kreczor I promis then I will use  vocabulary all the time,
I will take care about any single gramar thing
all the time when i post something on the forum
ect.... bla bla bla

btw gogle translator is a shit, but you  probably can't know those because you are form usa, and only one language what you know is usalisch.

btw if you want still makes offtopic here at last put something about a topic here.

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Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 04:48:15 pm
Me dear Kreczor I promis then I will use  vocabulary all the time,
I will take care about any single gramar thing
all the time when i post something on the forum
ect.... bla bla bla

btw gogle translator is a shit, but you  probably can't know those because you are form usa, and only one language what you know is usalisch.

btw if you want still makes offtopic here at last put something about a topic here.

Your stupidity shines through once again. I'm Canadian.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 04:48:31 pm
This isn't a medieval joust, it's simulating a fucking fight to the death.  Dismounting cavalry is a very good tactic, you're not much good without your horse.  Also your horses head is 2 or 3 feet in front of you, so if I aim for your horses head I'm going to hit it way before you hit me.  I also try to bring my lance up when I hit it so it also connects with the rider.

If I see the other rider is aiming for me, and not my horse, then I will usually go for the person (because if I don't kill the horse then I'm going to die). 

Fuck your honor, killing horses is a smart tactical move, if you have a problem with it, then you have a problem with using common sense to win on the battlefield.  I'd hate to have you on my side if you are "too honorable" to do what is your best interests for winning the round.

You're probably one of those lamer's who complains when you're 1v1'ing and a teammate comes to help.  Fuck your life, go play on the duel server if you want honor.

And who's this araxiel my old friend coming to help out his retarded buddy?  Neg repping any comment that rightfully talks shit to rebelyell?  Get a life, or better yet, make a well informed argument to the contrary instead of just neg repping (nevermind, that would require actual intelligence, which is clearly lacking with you two).
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 04:51:48 pm
i have to leave that thread coz trolls and chocolate chip cookie may eat my azzz


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Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 04:52:26 pm
I could care less about your spelling, I understand what you're saying, and you're a fucking moron (and you sound angry in your first post...let me guess, you got dehorsed and ran off to the forums to complain).
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Christo on March 09, 2012, 04:53:14 pm
lol

I'm speechless.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Leshma on March 09, 2012, 04:53:53 pm
This thread is about Miralay, right?
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 04:59:01 pm
I could care less about your spelling, I understand what you're saying, and you're a fucking moron (and you sound angry in your first post...let me guess, you got dehorsed and ran off to the forums to complain).
I agree with everything this gentleman has said in this thread so far. Except I still can't understand what you're saying.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 05:02:27 pm
Lol soo peps wich i hate  hates me??

and why you rage so hard??? I think then it lame, and its lame

end.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 05:05:18 pm
I have no authority to speak for Hospitallers, this is purely my opinion only...but the templars should get rid of rebelyell and araxiel, they tarnish the reputable templar name.  Whining bitches who have no sense for tactics or battlefield strategy, and then they decide to let everyone know on the forums just how stupid they are. 

Congrats, you're a moron.

If you only take one thing to heart from this thread (which I doubt you even are trying to understand what anyone is saying), it's this:

Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove any doubts.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 05:06:49 pm
I agree with everything this gentleman has said in this thread so far. Except I still can't understand what you're saying.
At least trolls are smart to troll around. You are worse than a troll.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 05:08:12 pm
I have no authority to speak for Hospitallers, this is purely my opinion only...but the templars should get rid of rebelyell and araxiel, they tarnish the reputable templar name.  Whining bitches who have no sense for tactics or battlefield strategy, and then they decide to let everyone know on the forums just how stupid they are. 

Congrats, you're a moron.

If you only take one thing to heart from this thread (which I doubt you even are trying to understand what anyone is saying), it's this:

Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove any doubts.
I didnt whine about cavalry system, just stated my opinion and wanted you guys to stop trash talking.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 09, 2012, 05:14:36 pm
Me dear Kreczor I promis then I will use  vocabulary all the time,
I will take care about any single gramar thing
all the time when i post something on the forum
ect.... bla bla bla

btw gogle translator is a shit, but you  probably can't know those because you are form usa, and only one language what you know is usalisch.

btw if you want still makes offtopic here at last put something about a topic here.
1+ for almost saying Zlisch!
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Idzo on March 09, 2012, 05:19:06 pm
There is no such thing as honor when it is about war.

Bandit style!
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 05:20:20 pm
At least trolls are smart to troll around. You are worse than a troll.
I'm glad that my reputation remains untarnished. I'm fine with people defending clan mates but this gentleman is far past that point. Give up now young templar!
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 05:23:53 pm
It is not about defending my clan mate. You read the messages and get them but kept saying you cant understand them because of the poor grammar. If you cant understand why bother with messaging about it over and over. Not everyone's native language is English who play this game and they have responsibility on this. Your messages clearly states your mental retardation.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: MrShine on March 09, 2012, 05:25:34 pm
I John McEnroe @ this absurd thread.

If you aim for the rider and they aim for your horse, you get a kill and they hurt your horse.  You come out of that in much better shape.

Deal with it.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 05:26:09 pm
It is not about defending my clan mate. You read the messages and get them but kept saying you cant understand them because of the poor grammar. Guess what? Not everyone's native language is English who play this game and they have responsibility on this. Your messages clearly states your mental retardation.
I clearly ask him to use a translator since he cannot use english properly. Instead of using 85% of my brain power devoted to unencrpyting his syntax, I'd much prefer him to use a translator. They may not be perfect but they're much easier to decipher.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 05:26:37 pm
Just don't bother....
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 05:28:08 pm
Just don't bother....
I'm not poking fun at his nationality nor am I being racist. It is not too much to ask for for someone to use a translator so we can better understand what he's saying. If you can't comprehend this, then you're as much doomed as he is.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Araxiel on March 09, 2012, 05:29:24 pm
Well he tried and failed and that was not a reason for you to insult him. If you truly wanted to understand what he was talking about you would get it. You just tried to ruin this thread by trolling and bad-mouthing and you achieved it.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Idzo on March 09, 2012, 05:31:58 pm
I'm not poking fun at his nationality nor am I being racist. It is not too much to ask for for someone to use a translator so we can better understand what he's saying. If you can't comprehend this, then you're as much doomed as he is.

You racist scum!
Joe Sakic FTW!
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 05:32:52 pm
Well he tried and failed and that was not a reason for you to insult him. If you truly wanted to understand what he was talking about you would get it. You just tried to ruin this thread by trolling and bad-mouthing and you achieved it.
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Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kafein on March 09, 2012, 05:38:37 pm
More often than not, aiming at the horse's head in frontal lance fights results in killing both the horse and the rider. And some people really ask for it when they always block until they get a clear thrust on you. I'm usually fighting for killing my opponent. When other lancers just delay the fight like that I kill their horse and go somewhere else. It's practically the same as killing them anyway.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Jetsam on March 09, 2012, 05:43:40 pm
Aiming for the head makes the most sense. If a guy is aiming for my body and I get his horse, he drops, and I go away full health. I'd fully expect for him to hit my horse, as the best option is to hit them as soon as possible. It also leads to different tactics while using cavalry. For example, turning your horses head but keeping your lance as straight as possible will get you screwed against someone who stays straight, but if their timing is off, you'll take their horse and protect yours completely. Whether you aim for the horse or the rider, it's 100% about timing, and the key to making a lance miss you is disrupting that timing.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 09, 2012, 05:54:06 pm
I John McEnroe @ this absurd thread.

If you aim for the rider and they aim for your horse, you get a kill and they hurt your horse.  You come out of that in much better shape.

Deal with it.

not true at all because your horse is either 1hit or left at very very litttle health even if its a armoured horse. it's not worth getting 1kill for being dismounted the rest of the round.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: MrShine on March 09, 2012, 06:03:06 pm
not true at all because your horse is either 1hit or left at very very litttle health even if its a armoured horse. it's not worth getting 1kill for being dismounted the rest of the round.
Well you're the one who killed their rider cleanly right?  Just take their horse  :P

I'd argue it's the same thing if you are a shielder going up against an axe user, or in general going up against someone else who will probably get a few hits in on you.  You'll be left in a worse state when you exit the fight even if you win, so you need to decide if it's worth going into that fight in the first place or look for another target.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 06:04:13 pm
Well he tried and failed and that was not a reason for you to insult him. If you truly wanted to understand what he was talking about you would get it. You just tried to ruin this thread by trolling and bad-mouthing and you achieved it.

Then why'd you neg rep anyone who disagreed with Rebel and called him a retard for his retarded comments?

I understood what he was trying to say, and addressed it properly.  He sounds like an angry guy who rants on the forums, which is bad enough, but then he rants and raves about some retarded ass topic about killing horses?  Like I said, it's a battlefield, not a medieval jousting tournament.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 09, 2012, 06:13:23 pm
I hate inf who randomly kill horses once ridders are dead, it pisses me off, as a cav I could use a horse if mine dies...
But I do go after other cav if I think I can either kill or dehorse them (this is when I play a lancer as a HT all enemy cav are targets).
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 06:16:32 pm
Aiming for the head makes the most sense. If a guy is aiming for my body and I get his horse, he drops, and I go away full health. I'd fully expect for him to hit my horse, as the best option is to hit them as soon as possible. It also leads to different tactics while using cavalry. For example, turning your horses head but keeping your lance as straight as possible will get you screwed against someone who stays straight, but if their timing is off, you'll take their horse and protect yours completely. Whether you aim for the horse or the rider, it's 100% about timing, and the key to making a lance miss you is disrupting that timing.
More often than not, aiming at the horse's head in frontal lance fights results in killing both the horse and the rider. And some people really ask for it when they always block until they get a clear thrust on you. I'm usually fighting for killing my opponent. When other lancers just delay the fight like that I kill their horse and go somewhere else. It's practically the same as killing them anyway.

yes I understand that... and its why i hate that soo hard thats ruin whole knight gameplay,
Last time i played as a cav when we had old lance system(Yes that was OP like hell and had to be removed) and I liked all that cav lance duells, now that is pathetic and boring when you konow then your enemy will aim for hores.

I hope then you understand then is not rage post because I know then there is  now way to change it, all I wanted to say is my opinion about that taktic even when that works and helps you win.
I can see then there is fave peps who think the same way than me soo I am no't allwon out there.

Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 06:18:39 pm
Dismounting a knight seems like a really good tactic for disabling them...

Attacking other horse lancers is generally a bad idea, but if you're going to attack them it's to disable them, not to necessarily kill them.

If I dismount you 1 km from the rest of your team, you're useless.  You think people should "play nice" so that you can go kill half of their team?  So you also think that archers shouldn't shoot you in the back, and if someone has a shield and you don't, they should put it away and duel you?

Give me a break, learn to play.  There's no honor in war, the sooner you realize that, the sooner you will use tactics to your advantage.  The honorable die young.  When it's a fight to the death, fuck honor.  Bite, scratch, fight dirty, fight like a girl, do anything you can to survive.  Honor gets you (and your buddies) killed.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: 22nd_King_Plazek on March 09, 2012, 06:20:26 pm
lol, noob lancers have always attacked the horse instead of the rider. The old vs new lances angles had nothing to do with this at all. In fact for me as a 2h on horse user I get my horse stabbed less now as when I ride up alongside a lancer he cannot stab backwards into my horse.

Stop appropriating this thread on the topic of horse vs horse battle honour for your bullshit "bring back the old lance angle" cause. Nabs.

---

However as a 2h on horse user and thrower I often have to attack the enemy horse as the lancer will kill my horse in 2 hits if I do not while it will often take me 4/5 hits to kill a horse with my longsword. But if I know I am fighting someone with some honour and skill I go for the rider. Until they stab at my horse.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 09, 2012, 06:20:36 pm
Well you're the one who killed their rider cleanly right?  Just take their horse  :P

I'd argue it's the same thing if you are a shielder going up against an axe user, or in general going up against someone else who will probably get a few hits in on you.  You'll be left in a worse state when you exit the fight even if you win, so you need to decide if it's worth going into that fight in the first place or look for another target.

well i dont aim for rider anymore i just aim for horse because i have to like everyone else does to me. i just wish there was a way to make it so targetting the rider as more beneficial.

i was thinking maybe making lances unbalanced, this would stop people being able to cancel a lance into a block when they realise they got outlanced and maybe might make people aim for rider more. not sure.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kafein on March 09, 2012, 06:23:51 pm
Dismounting a knight seems like a really good tactic for disabling them...

Attacking other horse lancers is generally a bad idea, but if you're going to attack them it's to disable them, not to necessarily kill them.

If I dismount you 1 km from the rest of your team, you're useless.  You think people should "play nice" so that you can go kill half of their team?  So you also think that archers shouldn't shoot you in the back, and if someone has a shield and you don't, they should put it away and duel you?

Give me a break, learn to play.  There's no honor in war, the sooner you realize that, the sooner you will use tactics to your advantage.  The honorable die young.  When it's a fight to the death, fuck honor.  Bite, scratch, fight dirty, fight like a girl, do anything you can to survive.  Honor gets you (and your buddies) killed.

This is not war, but a game. The goal is not killing bytes, it's having fun.

I think the game would be more enjoyable for everyone if we were nicer to each other.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 06:24:10 pm
well i dont aim for rider anymore i just aim for horse because i have to like everyone else does to me. i just wish there was a way to make it so targetting the rider as more beneficial.

i was thinking maybe making lances unbalanced, this would stop people being able to cancel a lance into a block when they realise they got outlanced and maybe might make people aim for rider more. not sure.

It's risk assessment at it's finest, and you have to decide in a split second whether to go for the rider or the horse.  If you go for the horse and don't kill it, there's a good chance you will die.  Aiming for the horse's head (which is in front of the rider) is only common sense...I try to turn as I hit the horses head so that I'm turning away from them as I hit so that I'm hopefully out of range for their lance by the time my thrust has connected.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 06:25:31 pm
This is not war, but a game. The goal is not killing bytes, it's having fun.

I think the game would be more enjoyable for everyone if we were nicer to each other.

I didn't know it was a game, I though it was real life...my point still stands, you get no respect if you're whining about people using tactics and common sense in a video game.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on March 09, 2012, 06:28:19 pm
In my opinion I dont see dehorsing (even via lancing) as particularly bad. You are playing cavalry, one of your weakness' as the class is that if your horse dies thats 5-7 skill points rendered redundant. There may be more honour and skill at hitting the rider but as cavalry you should accept that without your horse you are less powerful and for that reason your horse is a good target :/ Far less risky to aim for the horse than to aim for body, especially against lancers with 160 odd wpf in pole :P
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Overdriven on March 09, 2012, 06:29:57 pm
This is not war, but a game. The goal is not killing bytes, it's having fun.

I think the game would be more enjoyable for everyone if we were nicer to each other.

The point is to win a battle. That's why I spend most of my time as HA shooting lancers horses. Because it will help my team a great deal to down them. If you want to lance each other with 'honour' go on the duel server. Killing horses by any means, including other lancers, just makes perfect sense in the battle situation.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kafein on March 09, 2012, 06:36:28 pm
lol, noob lancers have always attacked the horse instead of the rider. The old vs new lances angles had nothing to do with this at all. In fact for me as a 2h on horse user I get my horse stabbed less now as when I ride up alongside a lancer he cannot stab backwards into my horse.

Stop appropriating this thread on the topic of horse vs horse battle honour for your bullshit "bring back the old lance angle" cause. Nabs.

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However as a 2h on horse user and thrower I often have to attack the enemy horse as the lancer will kill my horse in 2 hits if I do not while it will often take me 4/5 hits to kill a horse with my longsword. But if I know I am fighting someone with some honour and skill I go for the rider. Until they stab at my horse.

It is debatable for lance vs lance, but when it comes to lance vs 1h/2h, not targetting the horse is brain damaged. There is virtually no reason someone that has no chance of outreaching the lance thrust would not block the attack. What's the point of aiming at the rider and being blocked ?

And your numbers seem very situational. 1h/2h weapons usually need one or two swings to kill a courser/arab horse without any speed bonus, so I guess this is about large warhorses or equivalent. Also, lances need the speed bonus to 1/2 shot horses. Of course the pierce damage makes them better against armored horses.

The point is to win a battle. That's why I spend most of my time as HA shooting lancers horses. Because it will help my team a great deal to down them. If you want to lance each other with 'honour' go on the duel server. Killing horses by any means, including other lancers, just makes perfect sense in the battle situation.

I didn't know it was a game, I though it was real life...my point still stands, you get no respect if you're whining about people using tactics and common sense in a video game.

My message is that even though nobody has the right to demand nice behavior, we could all benefit from it.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 06:43:32 pm
Yes, I was harsh and probably could have been more civil, but Rebel is dense and doesn't even bother reading other people's opinions.  He comes on here, bitches about something realllly stupid (he's complaining that people are using tactics and common sense...) and then ignores anyone who says to the contrary.  Some people deserve ridicule and scorn, and this is coming from someone who's very tolerant, and treats most people (even those I disagree with), with respect.

I get tired of seeing these posts and people bitching in game about "honor".  It's a video game simulating a medieval battlefield, use tactics or at minimum don't complain if other people outsmart you.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kafein on March 09, 2012, 06:47:46 pm
Yes, I was harsh and probably could have been more civil, but Rebel is dense and doesn't even bother reading other people's opinions.  He comes on here, bitches about something realllly stupid (he's complaining that people are using tactics and common sense...) and then ignores anyone who says to the contrary.  Some people deserve ridicule and scorn, and this is coming from someone who's very tolerant, and treats most people (even those I disagree with), with respect.

I get tired of seeing these posts and people bitching in game about "honor".  It's a video game simulating a medieval battlefield, use tactics or at minimum don't complain if other people outsmart you.

Well I understand his reaction. When you are kind to people but they lack the maturity to at least try to treat you as good, it can really piss me off.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Ganner on March 09, 2012, 06:48:28 pm
While it is a valid tactic, its douchebaggery at its finest.  There are some cav that will take out your horse if its a good opportunity then there are arseholes that will FOLLOW you until your horse is dead even if it takes a whole round.  Those are the cav i have an issue with(excluding HA's i know thats their primary responsibility).

TL:DR
OK - Lancing horses of opportunity
OK - HA's shooting horses
NOT OK - Consistantly and ONLY aiming for the horse
NOT OK - Following a horseman to dehorse him and then ride away
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on March 09, 2012, 06:49:50 pm
heh i had the idea that this thread is about lancer vs lancer issue, yet its filled with a bunch of non-lancers talking about it... interesting
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Oberyn on March 09, 2012, 06:51:54 pm
Just aim for both :P .
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 09, 2012, 06:55:31 pm
Ganner, if you dehorse someone you just neutered them, of course you should now ride away...some of the ideas you guys throw out are hilarious.  It's a video game simulating a battlefield, use every tactic you can to win, or you're not a good teammate.

I fail to see how it's a douche thing to dismount a horseman.  His primary method of getting from point A to point B is his horse, you take that away and now they are infinitely less useful.  Seems like a good thing to do if you want your team to win.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: MrShine on March 09, 2012, 06:56:41 pm
While it is a valid tactic, its douchebaggery at its finest.  There are some cav that will take out your horse if its a good opportunity then there are arseholes that will FOLLOW you until your horse is dead even if it takes a whole round.  Those are the cav i have an issue with(excluding HA's i know thats their primary responsibility).

TL:DR
OK - Lancing horses of opportunity
OK - HA's shooting horses
NOT OK - Consistantly and ONLY aiming for the horse
NOT OK - Following a horseman to dehorse him and then ride away

I don't know, if I was a terrible cav player (which I am) I would probably make it my goal to dehorse good cavalry players so they aren't hurting my team as much.  I still don't really see why this is a problem - your goal should always be to help your team in the best way you know.  If I had the option to take out a high profile player's horse then I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Renten on March 09, 2012, 07:03:36 pm
ITT skilled lancers complain about people going for their weakness.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Rebelyell on March 09, 2012, 07:16:52 pm
if  its about me thers +1
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: CaveSquirrel on March 09, 2012, 07:25:58 pm
Depends on the situation and movement of enemys.

If i fight 1 vs. 4 or so I mainly try to kill their horses firstly and them afterwards.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 09, 2012, 08:50:30 pm
Just don't ride away after you kill my horse.

(451_CATS does this all the time)
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Dezilagel on March 09, 2012, 08:52:19 pm
Funny... I always hate it when cav DON'T go for the horses. Most cav seem to be ignoring the horse in favor of the rider... Who is a much harder target obv. b/c of block/shield/size and position.

How many times have I not seen a friendly cav charging straight ahead the horseman circling me only to have him go for the rider and get blocked when he could have just downed the horse and have the rider chopped up by me faster than you could say "ban all HA's".
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Smoothrich on March 09, 2012, 09:00:57 pm
im pretty sure teh consensus has been reached

if you're good at the game you lance at their face
if you're bad you aim for horse like a disgrace
if you're raelly bad you're 1hand cav with a mace
sad that such scrub behavior is now commonplace
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Spurdospera on March 09, 2012, 09:21:31 pm
Horses go down first. Always funny to watch dehorsed rider having to run halfway map to get in battle.  :D
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: papageorgio on March 09, 2012, 09:32:59 pm
I do whatever kills the enemy best. If that means killing their horse before I kill them, then so be it. I'll kill your horse miles out and leave your ass stranded if necessary.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: [ptx] on March 10, 2012, 03:49:44 am
Dear Rebelyell: I can't understand anything you're saying. You're spelling/grammar is so terrible it literally makes my eyes bleed.

I took the time to read your post, so from now on I will be aiming for your horses head.

Here's a picture of a horse dying for you:
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Stop. Just stop right there.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Christo on March 10, 2012, 04:13:18 am
Stop. Just stop right there.

 :)

Didn't even notice that one.

Haha.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 10, 2012, 06:02:10 am
Stop. Just stop right there.
Well played sir. Well played.

As much of an asshat as I am about grammar and spelling (Especially the use of your, you're and whatnot) I'm surprised that happened.

I love you.

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Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 10, 2012, 06:21:28 am
100 percent agreed.

I can easily outlance most people, sadly 90 percent of cav use coursers and aim for horses head, so I will kill them in 1 shot but they will leave my horse at black health or something.  The only way to effectively counter this is to totally ignore enemy cav or also aim for their heads, both of which is dishonourable.  So now I'll just go back to heavy cav and tank the scrub thrusts at my horse all round every round.

If you horses is dead, you were out lanced.

Saying "I don't loose, people only kill my horse" is like saying, I'm not gay but I only like sex with men.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 10, 2012, 06:47:50 am
If you horses is dead, you were out lanced.

Saying "I don't loose, people only kill my horse" is like saying, I'm not gay but I only like sex with men.

only if you both went for horse.. it's impossible to hit a rider without them hitting your horse first if they aim for it right.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kreczor on March 10, 2012, 06:53:18 am
only if you both went for horse.. it's impossible to hit a rider without them hitting your horse first if they aim for it right.
also I'm bisexual. I'll kill your horse first, because I know you're shitty on the ground without it.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: ShinySpoons on March 10, 2012, 07:04:55 am
I'm.. really not sure what the complaint here is for  :| Basically, lancers getting annoyed at getting their horse lanced when charging straight on other lancers? Isn't that just...what happens normally?

On riding away from a guy you've just dehorsed, if you're in the middle of nowhere I don't see the point in trying to fight a guy who has just turned into a spearman i.e. anti-cav (unless they're really bad)
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 10, 2012, 07:09:06 am
If you get your horse lanced A) You were out riden B) You are a nub.

Seriously, don't go head to head with another lancer. Hit them from another angle. Don't bitch because your a cav scrub. As we use to say in the olden days l2p bish.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 10, 2012, 08:13:53 am
This thread is about Miralay, right?
Hahaa and about every smart lancer out there. Miralay is excellent cav dehorser in any case :P.

I'm going to lance the shit out of your horses. Because that is the only way I can be sure I can make a difference. Me aiming the rider if he targets my horse is going to end up badly so I just try to hit the other guys horse and probably him as well with the same strike. It makes sense because if he sees me having better timing he can raise his shield or downblock. If that happens I wasted my effort and good timing so I hit the horse instead and leave the guy there to have a good walk while I laugh my ass off. You can play any way you see "honorable" or whatever but I tell you I aint got the same intentions :D
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: Kerrigan on March 10, 2012, 03:11:05 pm
I used to go for the rider back when lance angle was normal. These days I aim to hit both the horse and the rider so he gets damage and the horse is dead. And why should I not do this? Almost every other cav I meet on the battlefield does this so why should I try to hit the rider if there is a huge chance he will just dehorse me first. Because it is honorable? Thats just stupid logic. I wont gain anything from that. Oh well he dehorsed me but I went for the rider so atleast I have my honor. Yeah right.  Archers use cower power (run away from infantry and shoot and run and shoot, even when they have a melee weapon) and that is considered being smart. Dehorsing someone is also smart. Fuck honor.
Title: Re: To all lancers
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on March 10, 2012, 03:19:14 pm
nerf cav

stupid lancers