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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 07:38:28 am

Title: Patch complaint
Post by: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 07:38:28 am
I was Lvl 35 and now I'm 25, not good, but okay.
I lost a shitload of WPP due to the generation bonus and less WM and lower level, still bearable (198 -> 132)
I wasted money for buying a large warhorse because I'm way too slow for normal melee, but wait, warhorses have riding 5 now so I need agility 15 which I havent got because I tried to get 18 strenght like in my old build.
You nerfed Masterworks NCS' damage, but still there is a shitload of xbowmen running around who need zero WPF for it shooting everything to pieces because no one is able to afford a decent armor (all dedicated xbowmen excluded)
Upkeep is way too high. I played two rounds Gauntlets fucked up 1700 gold lost. Are you kidding?

For me that patch is one big FAIL.

What cRPG really needs:

Return to the old system
Nerf xbows a slight bit in damage and make the crosshair bigger, so that it's impossible to snipershoot everyone with 0 WPP.
Keep the friendly horsebump
Keep the multiplier system its good, but make a total xp count or something.
Maybe scale the lvls otherwise but keep the total xp amount. (So you can still make a soft level cap because the needed experience will be probably unreachable or only reachable for the hard core grinders)
Cap archer WPP to real WPP

Thats it

PS.: I'm not even one of the most fucked up guys, I know people who were lvl 44 almost 45 grinding for like half a year with no retirement, who are now lvl 30. Their advantages and grinding effort simply vanished, and instead of that they can't afford their equipment anymore.

Really, this patch is not good for the players, and not good for cRPG. Everyone is happy if he has some new stuff, and no one wants to lose it again, so upkeep is shit.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Braeden on January 05, 2011, 07:43:12 am
I was level 36 now level 25.
I lost a ton of WPP
I can't use half my weapons anymore because I don't have 21 str yet.
Can't afford my horse in skillpoints or gold cost.
My longsword now costs 2.5x more, so its way more costly to maintain.
I've had three things break in five minutes of playing, so I'm using medium cost equipment.

All in all, I pretty much love everything about the patch.  Makes the game fun again.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 07:44:38 am
Is this sarcasm? Or not?
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Baggy on January 05, 2011, 07:50:32 am
Look at his TP, hes a good troll.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: JesseGreen on January 05, 2011, 07:51:05 am
there never should have been lvl 45 people to begin with, but whats the point of having plate in the game if wearing it will set you back 10,000 on a loss?
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Baggy on January 05, 2011, 07:52:42 am
Uber gear is for uber strategus clans.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: tankmen on January 05, 2011, 07:54:39 am
Quote from: Baggy on January 05, 2011, 07:52:42 am
Uber gear is for uber strategus clans.
sounds like it, if fiefs help maintain gear then those with them already are safe
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Baggy on January 05, 2011, 07:55:47 am
Its all a sneaky plan to get us to play strategus :D
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on January 05, 2011, 07:55:57 am
I've been enjoying the patch so far. I certainly don't mind the lighter armor. The upkeep system has been kind to me so far. Exp has been nicely fast. Cav are a bit ridikkulos fast, but they're also expensive as heck so no biggie. I'm pretty happy.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 07:58:16 am
There were not that much lvl 40+ characters, and those who were above that, definetly earned it, because you had to hardcoregrind at least 2-3 months for that. It's simply unfair, how come I'm now as worse as someone who is playing for 1 week? With removed gen wpp, lower lvl for everyone and almost no equipment because it's simply not affordable.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Braeden on January 05, 2011, 07:58:37 am
I was completely serious.
Reducing the overpoweredness of high wpp, high level and expensive equipment will do far more good than evil imo.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: LLJK_DirtyCajun on January 05, 2011, 08:01:24 am
Basically quit your bitching and actually learn to play using some new slight constraints.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: partyboy on January 05, 2011, 08:03:04 am
The patch rules, but if you don't like it maybe you should spec Party Peasant
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 08:04:04 am
So it's better to simply erase all advantages for someone who played for long time with dedication and make everything equal. For me this feels almost like a punishment. And I don't want to imagine how it is for people who had even higher lvls. I never saw the problem of high lvl people, even they had no chance against a good and coacting team.

I promise some players will leave this mod, because of the patch.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Baggy on January 05, 2011, 08:04:20 am
Quote from: partyboy on January 05, 2011, 08:03:04 am
The patch rules, but if you don't like it maybe you should spec Party Peasant

lolwut?
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Grey on January 05, 2011, 08:13:05 am
imo quit bitching
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Lorn on January 05, 2011, 08:13:24 am
Quote from: Baggy on January 05, 2011, 08:04:20 am
lolwut?

He's a troll, that build can also lead to bans so I wouldn't recommend it.

I shall sum up the first post of this thread:

"WAH WAH WAH I NO HAZ EASY MODE BUILD ANYMORE!!! WAH WAH WAH!! PATCH KILL GAME!!!! WAH WAH WAH RAGE QUIT!!!"

Quote from: Grey on January 05, 2011, 08:13:05 am
imo quit bitching

This.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Loki on January 05, 2011, 08:18:50 am
So archers get an agi nerf, wpp nerf, damage nerf (pierce->cut), and a speed nerf?  Jesus christ, what was so broken about archers?
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Gorath on January 05, 2011, 08:20:57 am
Quote from: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 08:04:04 am
I promise some players will leave this mod, because of the patch.

You say this like it's some kind of bad thing.

With Braeden on this.  Love the patch.  Having a bonus blast in IRC with everyone having a group laugh at all the whining and /quit rages as well, so w00t!
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Braeden on January 05, 2011, 08:26:52 am
Level 40 and even higher characters were never intended to be possible.  This is not a change to a whole new world.  This is a restoration of balance to a game which was accidentally broken by retirement.

And if you don't think level 45 characters were unbalanced...Level 36 characters were ridiculous against anyone lower level.  I know I was dehorsed on multiple occasions only to kill literally everyone nearby before an archer finally hit me.  And I wear Lamellar.  I mean, seriously.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Rhuell on January 05, 2011, 08:41:41 am
I look forward to playing with the patch once all of the kinks are worked out; it may take a few adjustments with each of my alts, but it is easy to adapt.
woot first time ever posting anything anywhere :D
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: HeroZero on January 05, 2011, 09:32:12 am
Gorath - "I want everything to be the same way it was! With the same 50 people and never get bigger...NO I DON'T WANT TO GROW UP MOM!"

This patch has just created a huge gap between the super elite and the normal players.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: FICO on January 05, 2011, 09:52:38 am
people, this is no world of warcraft, nor did you pay for this.
it's more teamplay than grinding till you get uberequipment and than pwn all the peasants while loling at puny scum


stop being......  vagina or penis :rolleyes: and start playing



or build yourself a mod you like
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Mildar on January 05, 2011, 10:01:20 am
You are playing games. Every grind you will ever do will be good for nothing once. deal with it
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Gorath on January 05, 2011, 10:06:06 am
Quote from: HeroZero on January 05, 2011, 09:32:12 am
Gorath - "I want everything to be the same way it was! With the same 50 people and never get bigger...NO I DON'T WANT TO GROW UP MOM!"

Ai dun wan gro up, wan be a toiz r us keed
wer ders a milyun bilyun tois dat ai kin plae wif
frum baix 2 playnz 2 v d o gaimz
iz teh gr8st toi stor der iz
ai dun wan gro up, cuz ef ai deed
ai cudint b a toiz r s keed

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Quirian on January 05, 2011, 10:29:45 am
Umm yeah, thats a very grown up way to handle complaints, I suggest something, and game admins troll in here...

Anyway patch isn't that bad, you simply have to use peasant clothes, to get money  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Babelfish on January 05, 2011, 12:27:04 pm
Jesus...

I really do not like min-maxing kids. Instead of bitching about losing your edge, try to enjoy the game that is now more balanced & team oriented then ever before.

Seriously, take one quick glance on the battle server;

There will be cavalry playing in groups..
Infantry got pikes and are doing their best for the team..
Archers are doing their part..

People are working together, for the first time in, well ever.

Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: tankmen on January 06, 2011, 12:03:35 am
i was a moderate level(33), i dont mind the patch, and lets face it, whats fair about an armored archer on an armored horse shooting while moving as though hes standing still n standing still he can snipe you? before the patch archers were game changers, cav were game changers and infantry were the kills, now its work with your clan and try to win
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Belmont on January 06, 2011, 12:18:14 am
All in all, I really like this patch because it adds a lot of good features such as; banner team-balancing (easily the best feature), friendly horse bump, level cap (however, I do feel high levels should have been rewarded with level 30+ instead of just 30), wpf limits (could be increased a little, but still good) and new item balance EDIT: new stab animation is also a welcome change (would like to know how much extra range is gives). However, I have to heavily disagree with bow cut damage (animation is fine IMO) because now most archers will swift to crossbows, a slower but way more powerful weapon with pierce damage. I also dislike the current upkeep system as it forces me to pay an insane amount of money to use my heirlooms, which would be fine if we could had the chance to re pick them. I heirloomed my items a long time ago and I cannot help but to feel punished for my decision as I will be unable to use them soon. I would gladly pay 100k to re pick all my heirlooms.

Not everyone can agree 100% with a patch, that's why we have suggestions (my suggestion topic (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,360.0.html)) and sooner or later there will be a middle ground that most of the players can agree with.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Baldr on January 06, 2011, 12:32:06 am
I love the patch

I played a light/medium armour infantry before the patch and now I see all the tin-cans that just out HP'd me in a spamming frenzy, they are now my bitches. 2h'ers that cant block and barely even know the range of their own weapons. This patch just takes away the training wheels for the nooblites, no more armour to hide behind... LEARN HOW TO BLOCK! Its beautiful to see evolution in progress.

I haven't had much of a problem with crossbows.. but honestly folks bows are just underpowered took 5 arrows to take ME down, I am not an archer just to make that clear; But they should have a little bit of dmg buff IMO.
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Dwarden on January 06, 2011, 12:39:57 am
imo the crossbows really need sway after prolonged aim ... way to easy just aim area endlessly till target appear to hit
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Boss_Awesome on January 06, 2011, 12:41:18 am
I like the patch, the game was getting pretty "same old" but now it is exciting.  I like games where people can "lose shit".  Also, I am glad that archers are nerfed but the cut damage thing is just stupid and makes no sense at all.  It's like making a rapier do blunt damage... 
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Stormcrow on January 06, 2011, 12:51:59 am
The new crpg patch reminds me of another game i used to play. what was it again? oh yeah native warband where you pay for gear everyround and everyone has the same weapons skills and everyone sucks.

in short new patch= old native warband

thanks chadz for reinventing the wheel...twice....and the second time you actually made it worse
Title: Re: Patch complaint
Post by: Darkkarma on January 06, 2011, 12:54:11 am
Quote from: Stormcrow on January 06, 2011, 12:51:59 am
The new crpg patch reminds me of another game i used to play. what was it again? oh yeah native warband where you pay for gear everyround and everyone has the same weapons skills and everyone sucks.

in short new patch= old native warband

thanks chadz for reinventing the wheel...twice....and the second time you actually made it worse
:lol:

nah though