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Title: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Tarasque on February 25, 2012, 06:46:55 pm
hi, I am at the momment 31 with my main char ( 1h+shiled, clasic 21/15 build) 4generation, I have a Masterwork Knightly Arming Sword, now dunno if retire or just go to lvl 33, if i retire i do not know what to heriloom, maybe a shield? what is your recomendation?
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: zagibu on February 25, 2012, 07:00:16 pm
I would retire and loom some armorpiece. I generally get tired of my chars shortly after level 31, so I retire them and create another build.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 25, 2012, 07:09:06 pm
If you are even asking yourself this question, it means you should retire. Mail Mittens or some common glove is nice to loom, or your favorite armour maybe.

Level 33 characters are something you do when you are absolutely happy with your build.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: gazda on February 25, 2012, 07:21:12 pm
if you have enough money, you shouldnt retire
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Digglez on February 25, 2012, 07:30:49 pm
gen4? well unless you are a wealthy trader and have like 20+ total loom points....RETIRE
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on February 25, 2012, 08:13:58 pm
Even if you have all the items you need, millions of gold, and a two digit number of generations under your chare you should still retire. Imo it gets boring if you dont
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on February 25, 2012, 09:15:37 pm
I'd say retire. Keeps the game spicy.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Digglez on February 25, 2012, 10:06:17 pm
Quote from: Fluffy_Muffin on February 25, 2012, 08:13:58 pm
Even if you have all the items you need, millions of gold, and a two digit number of generations under your chare you should still retire. Imo it gets boring if you dont

hybrid build
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 26, 2012, 10:52:38 am
When i reach 16 gen i will never retire :D
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Jarlek on February 27, 2012, 02:14:55 am
Quote from: Digglez on February 25, 2012, 10:06:17 pm
hybrid build
Hybrid build is best build.

My current 1h/2h/pole shieldercav build is so fun to play with. When I decide to stop looming, this is what I'm gonna make my final build as :D
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Rhaelys on February 27, 2012, 04:13:19 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on February 25, 2012, 07:09:06 pm
If you are even asking yourself this question, it means you should retire. Mail Mittens or some common glove is nice to loom, or your favorite armour maybe.

Level 33 characters are something you do when you have everything triple heirloomed.

Fixed.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Tarasque on February 27, 2012, 10:58:29 am
Quote from: Zapper on February 27, 2012, 02:14:55 am
Hybrid build is best build.

My current 1h/2h/pole shieldercav build is so fun to play with. When I decide to stop looming, this is what I'm gonna make my final build as :D

and how is possible to have a build to play with so many weapon proficiencies?
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Digglez on February 27, 2012, 11:35:31 am
Quote from: Tarasque on February 27, 2012, 10:58:29 am
and how is possible to have a build to play with so many weapon proficiencies?

spend points on weaponmaster/! GASP!U$(*)(*#&????


Polearm for cav doesnt need that many points to increase effectiveness quite a bit, like 50-90.


Myself I'm 1h & throwing split, 125/100
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Rhaelys on February 27, 2012, 11:45:29 am
Quote from: Digglez on February 27, 2012, 11:35:31 am
spend points on weaponmaster/! GASP!U$(*)(*#&????


Polearm for cav doesnt need that many points to increase effectiveness quite a bit, like 50-90.


Myself I'm 1h & throwing split, 125/100

Weapon Master is a fine skill to invest points into if you're doing multiple proficiencies or ranged proficiencies.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Jarlek on February 27, 2012, 08:32:30 pm
Quote from: Tarasque on February 27, 2012, 10:58:29 am
and how is possible to have a build to play with so many weapon proficiencies?
Gee, I dunno. Weaponmaster maybe?

Take a look at it:
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Quote from: Rhaelys on February 27, 2012, 11:45:29 am
Weapon Master is a fine skill to invest points into if you're doing multiple proficiencies or ranged proficiencies.
Quoted For Truth. Never take WM if you only got a single melee category to put it in.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Dravic on February 27, 2012, 09:01:14 pm
Quote from: Zapper on February 27, 2012, 08:32:30 pm
Quoted For Truth. Never take WM if you only got a single melee category to put it in.

... unless you like some more attack speed and more damage.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Rhaelys on February 28, 2012, 12:12:59 am
Quote from: Dravic on February 27, 2012, 09:01:14 pm
... unless you like a barely noticeable, especially in battle attack speed and slightly more damage. And having less HP because you put points into WM instead of IF on a single melee proficiency build.

Fixed.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Teeth on February 28, 2012, 12:16:15 am
Anyone knows if this damage calculator works correctly? http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Tarasque on February 28, 2012, 12:16:16 pm
umm .... I will try this build in my next gen, or should I remove WM and put 5 on IF and One handed: 111?

    Strength: 24
    Agility: 15

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 3
    Power Strike: 8
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 5
    Weapon Master: 2

    One Handed: 123
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Dalhi on February 28, 2012, 01:03:51 pm
If you are planing build on 30 lvl I'd recomend 21/15, you won't profit too much from extra 1 PS while you sacrifise some HP points (talking about build with 5 WM), it's 11 HP points wich is a lot, you won't kill anyone while you aredead when alive you can sloughter 10 enemies  :P. I never tried 0 WM builds, but I had some hybrids, I had one months ago with 110 wpf in 1h and it was awfull... maybe with one of the maces or warhammer it would work as their hits connects surprisingly early but for swords I wouldn't reccomend doing that, your swings will feel slower then your oponents, one can say that with proper timing, waiting for a proper moment to strike it's fine, but it's bullshit  :P. That means even more shield hugging and especially when you are surounded by enemies you need to strike fast since your ath won't allow you to backpedal and control them with your footwork at level that would grant you avoid some lucky hits. Do whatever you won't, but I strongly recommend not to use any of cripple builds.

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Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Tarasque on February 29, 2012, 10:09:11 am
Dalhi you are right, I agree too that the 21/15 "clasic build" is the best choice.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on February 29, 2012, 10:11:59 am
im xbowman so i dont have much wpf in 1h, i have today 80, would be 100 i think, but to compensate speed i use nuiweidao+3, so it has 102 speed))
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Polobow on March 01, 2012, 10:22:50 am
You should atleast get to gen16 to get the max xp bonus, will save alot of time going to 33 (Then again, if you start at a earlier gen it probally doesn't matter, but meh.)
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: zagibu on March 06, 2012, 08:52:37 am
Quote from: Polobow on March 01, 2012, 10:22:50 am
You should atleast get to gen16 to get the max xp bonus, will save alot of time going to 33 (Then again, if you start at a earlier gen it probally doesn't matter, but meh.)

That's a myth. Exp bonus doesn't mean you can catch up with someone who never retires. Do it for the looms/refresh of character, don't do it otherwise.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: slothscott on March 06, 2012, 10:03:25 am
Iirc correctly you'd stop retiring at 3 if you wanted to reach 35 as fast as possible.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: zagibu on March 06, 2012, 07:43:43 pm
Quote from: slothscott on March 06, 2012, 10:03:25 am
Iirc correctly you'd stop retiring at 3 if you wanted to reach 35 as fast as possible.

No, you'd stop at 1. Do the math, it's pretty simple.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Phazey on March 07, 2012, 11:38:45 am
Make an alt. Keeps it spicy!   :wink:

I should probably stop retiring my main... but i don't want to. Going 18/18 again next gen, i think. Or 15/21 so i can ride an arabian pony.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Spawny on March 07, 2012, 02:02:59 pm
Quote from: Phazey on March 07, 2012, 11:38:45 am
Make an alt. Keeps it spicy!   :wink:

I should probably stop retiring my main... but i don't want to. Going 18/18 again next gen, i think. Or 15/21 so i can ride an arabian pony.

Terribad idea for 1h cav imo. You're much closer to the enemy, making 1 mistake lethal.

On the other hand, you do have a chance to escape from 15/21 lancers on champion circus ponies.
Title: Re: continue to 33 or retire?
Post by: Phazey on March 07, 2012, 05:50:27 pm
Escaping from lancers is never a problem for me, actually. Both the steppe horse and the arabian warhorse have good maneuverability, allowing you to dodge incoming lancers and even bodyblock their horse, stopping them and getting one or two swings in. All you really need to do is cut them off and block their fist blow.
Quote from: Spawny on March 07, 2012, 02:02:59 pm
making 1 mistake lethal.
Well the hitpoint difference between 21/15 (56 HP), 18/18 (53 HP) and 15/21 (50 HP) is quite minimal, because 1h cav doesn't have any points to spare for ironflesh (unless you drop shield or go low athletics, which i would never do).

My favorite 1h cav build has always been 18/18.

For me it all comes down to powerstrike vs athletics. 21/15 has 7 powerstrike but only 5 athletics, making you too slow to chase archers and kinda sucks when facing multiple opponents. However, the 7 powerstrike is nice and makes most swords viable, even against the heavier armoured guys.

18 / 18 hits the sweet spot: power strike 6 is 'just good enough' to make swords a viable weapon, but has athletics 6, which is faster than most infantry and 'just enough' to at least be able to harass most archers.

I've tried 15/21 only once and didn't like it because, on foot, having only 5 powerstrike isn't enough to reliably hit heavier armoured guys. Too many glances. But the athletics 7 is sweet.

Anyways, enough of my offtopic rant on builds. Keep retiring and keep making new alts, it's fun and also it's really nice to have several different characters to pick from.