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Title: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 17, 2012, 06:03:26 pm
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Hi guys!

I see many new/poor/in need of money/greedy players nowadays and I thought we could all help them by making a lottery!

It would work in following way:

People buy so-named "tickets" each worth of 5000 gold and every week/three days/insert set date I will draw one ticket which gets 90% of the money gathered through selling tickets. The rest goes to my personal bank for other editions of lottery - I might be doing a heirloom lottery one day!

How can you be sure I am not scamming? That's easy. You simply can't. No risk - no fun.
But I can asure you, that I am not scamming. You have to trust me. Can't force you to do that.

Rules and info:

1. For each lottery, you can buy only one ticket per edition. I've considered as many tickets as you want, but that would do two things: it would effectively decrease the income from win for people who bought more than half of current week's edition and make it really unfair for people who buy only one ticket.

2. The ticket costs 5000 (five thousands) gold.

3. If there are less than 2 tickets bought in current week's edition, the lottery will NOT happen and the money will be given back to the one person who bought the only ticket.

4. I am drawing the winning ticket by writing a number from 1 to X next to each participating person's nick and using www.random.org True Random Number Generator.

5. At the second post in this thread there is a "scoreboard" for winners.

6. The name of lottery is based on the fact that each ticket costs 5 thousands - and that can also be replaced by term "5k", hence the name.

7. Both tickets and prize are traded through Marketplace. The transactions are performed in following way:

Tickets:

I, as an Organisator, put cheap stuff (like stones, sickles, etc.) on the Marketplace each at price of 1001 gold - the additional 1 gold is there for easier recognising.
When one wants to buy a ticket, he or she simply buys one of my cheap items on Marketplace.
Note: those items will have following description:
"5k lottery ticket. You are buying it on your own risk - if you don't want to participate in lottery, skip this offer."
Also, check the name of who is selling the ticket. If it isn't Dravic - don't buy the item! It may be someone wanting to earn cheap money by tricking you.

Prizes:

After I receive the message on my character page saying that someone bought the ticket, I write down who bought the ticket and give the ticket a number. After one of the numbers wins the prize, I find the ticket with same number and contact the character who bought the ticket, pleasing for Forum Name (scoreboard) and for the offer for prize. (again, cheap item for x gold, where x = prize)


8. The current cumulation (amount of gold as a prize) will be written in the second post in this thread. I will try to keep it up to date, but remember, that I am not next to the computer all the time.

9. The draws are made every few days. The next draw date will be written in the second post in this thread.

Comment! Discuss! Participate!

The chances are, I forgot to write about something. Feel free to ask questions, there will be a FAQ in the first post after I gather enough questions.



Official 5K Lottery Banners:

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Use it to spread the word!

How to use one of those banner? Copy/paste the code of your favorite into your signature in your profile page.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 17, 2012, 06:11:06 pm
Current cumulation:

0 gold



Scoreboard:

1st place: Cepeshi - 108,000 gold
2nd place: Laufknoten - 12,800 gold
3rd place: -
...

The next draw:

The next draw will be made [date to be set] Monday the 20th, about 16-20 o'clock GMT+0, if there will be enough tickets bought.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 17, 2012, 06:38:20 pm
Actually, someone already bought one of the tickets.

Yay!

I really encourage you, guys, to try it.

1001 gold isn't that much, and if you win... even with 2 people in the lottery it is still 1600 gold (600 gold of pure profit) for you! Imagine the numbers, if there were 20 people participating!

:)
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 17, 2012, 06:41:16 pm
Sounds fun, maybe add a list of winners to front page?

Bought a ticket.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Lysander on February 17, 2012, 06:43:21 pm
This must be bumped.

I bought one ticket. To you contact the winner via Forum, or message system on crpg site?
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on February 17, 2012, 06:46:46 pm
sounds fun
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 17, 2012, 06:47:41 pm
First I contact the winner through c-rpg character's page - because I don't know the forum nick. In the message, besides the request to put "prize-getting" offer, I ask for forum nick to put it in the Scoreboard and/or for further contact.

This leads us to
a list of winners

- because the Scoreboard is the list of ALL winners, just put in order from the biggest to the lowest prize - sumed up, of course, for people, who won few times in a row.

EDIT

Actually, when I think about it... We could also make a more expensive tickets edition someday.

Suggest the price. I think 5k would be as OK as it can be, 10k is a bit too much for people who don't get x5 all the time.

Maybe in future... :)

For now, let's stick to 1k, at least the drawing system will be tested.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: okiN on February 17, 2012, 10:16:24 pm
20% rake? Really? That's pretty greedy, man. :P
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 17, 2012, 10:19:44 pm
200 gold per 1 ticket.

When (if) I make higher priced tickets, I will definitly make that lower.

And btw this edition is for fun not for money. 200 gold/ticket is enough to buy those scythes, sickles etc for trade :D
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on February 18, 2012, 12:54:02 am
Yeahhh, I'm so down!
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 12:02:56 pm
Wow, you are great guys!

10 tickets already sold, which takes us to 8k prize! :)

Thanks for such a feedback!
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Tiberias on February 18, 2012, 01:53:59 pm
bought one  :P
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 01:58:01 pm
Thanks.

Only 3 tickets left for today's lottery, after they are sold, I will draw the winner.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 18, 2012, 02:15:35 pm
Great idea :)

( Btw, for a free ticket every week, i will use this banner as my signature. And spam messages :) )

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 02:19:13 pm
Armpit, great banner!
Man, that's just epic signature. Thanks! Did you make it on your own?

I will use it as official 1k Lottery Banner!



When there's higher ticket price edition, I will please you for new banner ;)

PS 2 tickets left
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 18, 2012, 02:25:01 pm
Armpit, great banner!
Man, that's just epic signature. Thanks! Did you make it on your own?

I will use it as official 1k Lottery Banner!



When there's higher ticket price edition, I will please you for new banner ;)

PS 2 tickets left

Yeah. Made it myself :) Can modify/add text if you wish.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 02:31:37 pm
Really nice one.

I'd rather change the "Weekly 1k Lottery", because it is MOST LIKELY going to be less than week between draws.

I can't wait so long to giveaway the money  :lol:

Change "Weekly 1k Lottery" to "Draws are made every few days."

Will be closer to the Truth :D

Oh, and change the place where "Dravic's" is.

Make it like this:


**(as many stars as you think is ok)*1000 Gold/Ticket
Dravic's 1k Lottery
Draws are made every few days.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 04:29:35 pm
Awesome.

1 ticket left, guys!

Buy it quickly if you wanna get chance to win 12800 gold!
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Moncho on February 18, 2012, 04:37:12 pm
Bought it
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 04:42:09 pm
OK then.

I am now drawing the winner. Stay patient.

:)
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on February 18, 2012, 04:45:22 pm
*drumroll*
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 18, 2012, 04:48:55 pm
Did I win, did i win!!!

Oh yeah :( I didn't buy a ticket.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 04:49:03 pm
I am proud to announce, that the winner is...

Nah, not gonna say it untill I get his forum nick, cause I don't think many people will recognise the guy when they hear his character nick.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on February 18, 2012, 04:50:42 pm
Haha, that's not me. How soon until I can give you more money?
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 18, 2012, 04:52:06 pm
I am proud to announce, that the winner is...

Nah, not gonna say it untill I get his forum nick, cause I don't think many people will recognise the guy when they hear his character nick.

who the hell cares. just say his name
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 18, 2012, 04:54:02 pm
THAT GUY!
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 04:54:38 pm
I am proud to announce, that the winner is...

Tercio_Felipe_el_salido

Congratulations!

Good luck next time to everyone else!
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 04:58:17 pm
Now make it 5k and I will buy a ticket :) Even more if you are up for it :wink:

I am willing to do 100k.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Tiberias on February 18, 2012, 05:11:12 pm
yeh 5k is ok...but we have to talk about that 100k..if you want to throw your money away, throw it at me :P
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: karasu on February 18, 2012, 05:11:51 pm
I bet one of you guys will win. :|
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 05:15:06 pm
yeh 5k is ok...but we have to talk about that 100k..if you want to throw your money away, throw it at me :P
:lol:
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Laufknoten on February 18, 2012, 05:19:12 pm
Yay, first time I won something! :D I think 5k is okay for the next lottery.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 05:26:07 pm
Yay, first time I won something! :D I think 5k is okay for the next lottery.

Congratulations!

:)

Money has been sent.

It's official - next edition is 5000/ticket!



Selling tickets for next edition!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 05:33:16 pm
Bought one :)

Oh and you should lower the rake to maybe 10% now that the buy-in is 5k. You would still get more than twice as much as last time.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 05:37:51 pm
You're right, I will. :)

I need time to edit the 2 first posts.
Title: Re: 1K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 18, 2012, 05:48:35 pm
New banners :)

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Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 06:04:57 pm
Now those are really nice graphics.

Where did you learn to create such epic signatures? :D

GIMP/Photoshop/something else?

How much work would it take to change 1K Lottery to 5k Lottery in each of those few banners? That - and we are done :D

Also, that "*Draws are made every few days" should be a bit more visible. Bold or something? Too grey at the moment.

Other than that, signatures are epic. :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 18, 2012, 06:28:51 pm
Made using Macromedia Flash 8 :) Installed it yesterday to see if i can make some avatars, and earn some gold...

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Fixed banners:

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Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 06:43:33 pm
Thanks. I've put them into first post.

:)

Guys, once again: the second edition is running! 5000 gold/ticket, winner gets 90% of the money gathered from tickets sale.

I encourage you to participate - as you can see, first edition was succesful - the winner got his money and is, hopefully, happy with additional 12.800 chadz-o-coins belonging to him from now on.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 07:03:29 pm
Buying multipe tickets to spice things up a bit is allowed, right?

I hope so at least, because I bought 3 more :wink:

I got 4 tickets atm now.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 07:06:54 pm
It's allowed, but only if you don't mind only 1 of your tickets being considered during draw.

In other words, you are not getting bigger chances for win. Is it ok for you? if not, I can give that money back to you.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Elmuri on February 18, 2012, 07:10:34 pm
Why would someone want to buy more than one tickets then? :D
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 07:13:39 pm
to spice things up
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Elmuri on February 18, 2012, 07:16:39 pm
Ok, but anyway I bought one
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Lysander on February 18, 2012, 07:19:12 pm
bought one for 5k!
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 07:21:01 pm
Wow, guys, thanks for such a feedback!

I have some hard time updating the cumulation! Nice work!  :D

EDIT

Already almost 40.000 gold in the cumulation!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 07:43:51 pm
It's allowed, but only if you don't mind only 1 of your tickets being considered during draw.

In other words, you are not getting bigger chances for win. Is it ok for you? if not, I can give that money back to you.
I don`t see why I would not get bigger chances. I mean, it is pretty much the same thing that four different people would buy a ticket. If you allow people to buy more than one ticket than people can decide how much money they want to put into this themselves.

Also if you wonder how you should let someone have bigger chances of having their number get picked when you pick a random number, just give people one number for each ticket. For instance give me 4 numbers since I payed for 4 tickets.

If you really don`t want people to be able to buy more tickets then I would like to have my money back.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Moncho on February 18, 2012, 07:47:18 pm
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Please read the rules before going crazy, it says it clearly that you can only get one ticket per draw...
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 08:03:46 pm
It's not that bad to me, but the fact is - bigger chance for winning is unfair to people who buy only one ticket.

Just imagine, that you buy 50%/more of total amount of tickets bought. That means you get really high chances for winning and get 90% of your money back + 90% of rest tickets too easily compared to other people...

OK, when you put the offer - stones/something cheap for 15k, I will buy it.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 08:25:18 pm
Please read the rules before going crazy, it says it clearly that you can only get one ticket per draw...
Yeah, I think it is a dumb rule and that is why I want to know why.
It's not that bad to me, but the fact is - bigger chance for winning is unfair to people who buy only one ticket.

Just imagine, that you buy 50%/more of total amount of tickets bought. That means you get really high chances for winning and get 90% of your money back + 90% of rest tickets too easily compared to other people...

OK, when you put the offer - stones/something cheap for 15k, I will buy it.
It is not really unfair, according to your logic then people do not want other people to buy tickets because it would make them have less of a chance of winning. I mean, if 4 tickets are bought and then a guy comes and buys the fifth ticket, then I don`t really think it matters for that guy if those four tickets were bought by one guy or by four guys, because he would still have the same chance of winning. If he won then he would be payed by one guy instead of 4 guys, but he would still get the same amount of gold. I don`t see why it would matter who buys the tickets.

Anyways, putting some stones up for 15k.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 08:32:43 pm
Let's start thinking how to make the next edition more awesome.



I've come to an idea that may lead to pretty high cumulations, but first I want to get your feedback:

When the winner gets drawn, I send him a message saying that he is a winner and asking him a question.

The question would be: "You have two boxes to choose: one is white and one is black. Which do you choose? There is something in both."

Those boxes would be imaginary - right before asking, I would randomly assign two prizes to two different "boxes". One box would contain 100% of cumulation, and the other one would contain 50% of cumulation.

If the winner gets 100%, it's same as now. However, if the winner gets 50% of cumulation, the other 50% proceeds to the next edition as starting cumulation.

What do you think?



PS Apsod, made a poll.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 18, 2012, 08:41:34 pm
Let's start thinking how to make the next edition more awesome.



I've come to an idea that may lead to pretty high cumulations, but first I want to get your feedback:

When the winner gets drawn, I send him a message saying that he is a winner and asking him a question.

The question would be: "You have two boxes to choose: one is white and one is black. Which do you choose? There is something in both."

Those boxes would be imaginary - right before asking, I would randomly assign two prizes to two different "boxes". One box would contain 100% of cumulation, and the other one would contain 50% of cumulation.

If the winner gets 100%, it's same as now. However, if the winner gets 50% of cumulation, the other 50% proceeds to the next edition as starting cumulation.

What do you think?


lol

'hey your a winner'

'yay'

'have a question'

'you picked the wrong one, sucker, you lost 50% of all gold you would have earned'

'fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu will never buy tickets again'
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 08:42:41 pm
lol

'hey your a winner'

'yay'

'have a question'

'you picked the wrong one, sucker, you lost 50% of all gold you would have earned'

'fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu will never buy tickets again'

That's why I made a poll. :D



Feel free to suggest improvements.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 09:07:56 pm
Let's start thinking how to make the next edition more awesome.



I've come to an idea that may lead to pretty high cumulations, but first I want to get your feedback:

When the winner gets drawn, I send him a message saying that he is a winner and asking him a question.

The question would be: "You have two boxes to choose: one is white and one is black. Which do you choose? There is something in both."

Those boxes would be imaginary - right before asking, I would randomly assign two prizes to two different "boxes". One box would contain 100% of cumulation, and the other one would contain 50% of cumulation.

If the winner gets 100%, it's same as now. However, if the winner gets 50% of cumulation, the other 50% proceeds to the next edition as starting cumulation.

What do you think?



PS Apsod, made a poll.
Thanks for making a poll :)

Oh and I have to agree with Thovex, it would be very annoying for the winner if he picks the wrong box.

You could make it so that the winner could pick between getting his cash or something else, tho I think just giving him the cash would be the best. If the system becomes to advanced some people just wont bother with it at all.

Edit: Oh and with that system most people would only buy tickets if the previous winner picked the wrong box. The winner would also only get 75% of his cash in the long run.

Another thing, I don`t mind you taking rake for yourself, but don`t make the rake high because you want to save up for a huge lottery later on because if someone who was in the eariler lotteries were not in that one then he would have payed money to a lottery he is not even a part of, and the people from the earlier who were to join that one would have payed more than just some random guy who came and joined.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on February 18, 2012, 09:10:09 pm
Talk about an expensive shirt xD
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 09:12:03 pm
Talk about an expensive shirt xD

I hope it fits your body.
No?
So sorry.
Wanna exchange?
You wanna know my answer?
Are you sure?
100%?
OK.
What - what is the answer. Answer to what?
The question?
OK.
The answer is: NO!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Polobow on February 18, 2012, 09:16:11 pm
Should I allow buying more than one ticket by same person?

Yes, but limited.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 09:17:39 pm
Should I allow buying more than one ticket by same person?

Yes, but limited.

Added that option.
Poll reset.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Glyph on February 18, 2012, 09:20:35 pm
nice idea to make money more exciting!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 09:21:57 pm
Added that option.
Poll reset.
What happens if infinite gets 5 and limited 5 but no 7? Just wondering :?

Edit: My personal favourtie is limited, it would save you a lot of work if someone suddenly wants to pay for like 50 tickets. It would also be more of a compromise considering some wants it to be disallowed and some wants it to be allowed.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Glyph on February 18, 2012, 09:23:57 pm
make the limit 10 tickets, so we wont get any gambling adicts in here, people wont lose to much money, and people wont buy tickets for 2 milion so they'll almost surtainly win.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 09:24:37 pm
If there are more Yes (in total) than No, more than one ticket/person makes it into one edition for test. Now if limited gets equal or more than infinite (i will rename it to unlimited), it is the "winner". If less, then we get unlimited.

For ONE test edition. Then I will decide what's next.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 09:26:13 pm
If there are more Yes (in total) than No, more than one ticket/person makes it into one edition for test. Now if limited gets equal or more than infinite (i will rename it to unlimited), it is the "winner". If less, then we get unlimited.

For ONE test edition. Then I will decide what's next.
Nice and fair system, I like it :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 09:33:16 pm
Nice and fair system, I like it :)

I like it too. Good job OP!

Oh wait. I am OP.

I am such a narcissist.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 18, 2012, 09:35:01 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Kharn on February 18, 2012, 10:23:20 pm
Dravic, can you please also do the same thing but for one person?

I want to give you 5 grand for a 1/110 chance of getting 500 grand from you. (cost to buy an heirloom)

#random.org
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 18, 2012, 10:26:43 pm
Dravic, can you please also do the same thing but for one person?

I want to give you 5 grand for a 1/110 chance of getting 500 grand from you. (cost to buy an heirloom)

#random.org

Am I supposed to fund the other 495 grand (whatever that means)?  :lol:

Made my day.



PS OK guys, the cumulation got pretty hot - almost 60.000! I've got to go to sleep, so if you want to ticket and you've read this right now when I post it, get your ticket now, so I can refill the Marketplace with tickets before I fall asleep. :)


EDIT When I actually think about it, Kharn - nice idea. If I had some starting gold, I could make such a lottery. Will think about rules tomorrow.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 19, 2012, 12:17:08 am
Dravic, can you please also do the same thing but for one person?

I want to give you 5 grand for a 1/110 chance of getting 500 grand from you. (cost to buy an heirloom)

#random.org
Am I supposed to fund the other 495 grand (whatever that means)?  :lol:

Made my day.



PS OK guys, the cumulation got pretty hot - almost 60.000! I've got to go to sleep, so if you want to ticket and you've read this right now when I post it, get your ticket now, so I can refill the Marketplace with tickets before I fall asleep. :)


EDIT When I actually think about it, Kharn - nice idea. If I had some starting gold, I could make such a lottery. Will think about rules tomorrow.
Yeah, it is actually a pretty good idea. In the long run you would make money on it. I would give it a go myself, but I would not dare to be the one who gives 500k, simply because you can be unlucky. Tho I could do 100k, but with a 1/25 chance.

Edit: Oh and Dravic, could you return 3 of my 4 tickets. Unless of course I actually get 4 tickets. Tho we have to wait for the poll for that. The offer is up. My expensive shirt for that 15k :P
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 19, 2012, 12:32:02 am
Edit: Oh and Dravic, could you return 3 of my 4 tickets. Unless of course I actually get 4 tickets. Tho we have to wait for the poll for that. The offer is up. My expensive shirt for that 15k :P

Sure, forgot because of the poll.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 19, 2012, 01:08:42 am
Hehehe, thanks :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 19, 2012, 10:42:51 am
I've got another idea for improvement. Please give me your feedback:

How about making the draw with not only full tickets, but also "blank tickets" -  noone gets anything, the cumulation proceeds to the next edition.
That would look like that:

Numbers:

1. Ticket
2. Blank ticket
3. Ticket
4. Blank ticket
etc.

And would also lead to higher cumulations if noone gets lucky. What do you think?
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Elmuri on February 19, 2012, 11:23:34 am
Thats a better idea than the last one.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 19, 2012, 11:24:21 am
Thats a better idea than the last one.

Feedback is always welcome. That's why I always first ask, then do. :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 19, 2012, 05:00:30 pm
Yeah, it is a nice idea, but I think it is better to keep things simple to get more peeps to join :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Zandieer on February 19, 2012, 05:03:56 pm
I like the idea of this lottery :D but, 5k is pretty big for us lowly peasants... Not that I CAN'T pay it, I just wouldn't like it so much if rich people could buy more tickets, and thus having bigger chance. I mean... we peasants need the money more  :oops:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Idzo on February 19, 2012, 05:13:56 pm
i bought one ticket, if I don't get anything i want my money back  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 19, 2012, 05:24:56 pm
Don`t count on getting anything, the chance for you winning is low. And you wont get your money back once the lottery has started :P It is not to late atm tho :wink:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 19, 2012, 05:27:54 pm
Awesome guys!

We already have one more tickets bought than in the first edition, aka 17 tickets sold!

Look at the cumulation... The winner will get rich!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 19, 2012, 08:41:06 pm
When are you gonna pick a winner, once 20 tickets have been sold, or?
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 19, 2012, 08:43:07 pm
Monday at about 16-20 GMT depending how will ticket sale roll.

Chances are, we will hit 100k till tomorrow.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 19, 2012, 09:14:49 pm
Nais :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Death_Dealer on February 20, 2012, 01:31:26 am
bought one :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 01:25:27 pm
We hit a milestone: 90.000 gold!

3 tickets to go if we want to get past 100k ;)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 20, 2012, 02:10:55 pm
bought
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 04:06:57 pm
Guys, it's last chance to participate in todays edition.

Only 3 tickets left!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Arrowblood on February 20, 2012, 04:09:56 pm
got one :D
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 20, 2012, 04:13:52 pm
got 1 ticket too :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 04:21:22 pm
Last one left.

Not anymore. Gnjus bought the last one.  :lol:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 04:43:21 pm
I am in good mood today. If you write here in next 10 minutes that you want a ticket I will put few more.



No one wants tickets, so I am drawing the winner now!

:)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 20, 2012, 05:04:46 pm
Drawing takes too long for my nerves!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 20, 2012, 05:06:25 pm
Drawing takes too long for my nerves!
I sense conspiracy  :lol:
Imagine the result: no one won, therefore keeping all gold to myself  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 20, 2012, 05:07:06 pm
I agree, someone is paying him right now to get the prize money!!

I BET 20K GOLD FOR THE 100K
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 20, 2012, 05:08:25 pm
I bid 30k for the 100k
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 05:09:40 pm
I am proud to announce, that current edition of 5K Lottery's winner is

Bandit_Cepeshi_the_Useless

who won a total of

108.000 gold



Congratulations to the winner!

Good luck to others in future editions!

:)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Lizard_man on February 20, 2012, 05:10:31 pm
Grats, better luck next time... :P
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 20, 2012, 05:12:24 pm
bummer! next time maybe!
gratz Cepeshi tho :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 05:13:46 pm
I hope he will be happy with his 108,000 chadz-o-coins.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Idzo on February 20, 2012, 05:25:14 pm
cant belive.. that my old friend i heard him talkin on ts about some conspiracy with dravic about spliting the reward... gimmmmee my money baaack!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 20, 2012, 05:30:49 pm
we need some live streaming + ts for the drawing part  :lol:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on February 20, 2012, 06:01:13 pm
money back this is conspiracy!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: ToxicKilla on February 20, 2012, 06:08:01 pm
No tickets on the market? :O
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on February 20, 2012, 06:09:18 pm
I am so happy! :D
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 06:16:41 pm
I am so happy! :D

Hope so.


ToxicKilla, I am still waiting for poll results, might be that we change rules a bit for one test edition.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on February 20, 2012, 06:18:26 pm
Only had like 35k left at the moment, so this will come in handy to help me upkeep my shinies  :mrgreen:

there you can see how much this funny event can actually help out, so GO GET THEM TICKETS NAO!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 06:19:00 pm
Only had like 35k left at the moment, so this will come in handy to help me upkeep my shinies  :mrgreen:

there you can see how much this funny event can actually help out, so GO GET THEM TICKETS NAO!

I think you already have your money, because I got your stones. :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: ToxicKilla on February 20, 2012, 06:20:09 pm
Hope so.


ToxicKilla, I am still waiting for poll results, might be that we change rules a bit for one test edition.
:O
As long as you don't let the filthy rich stick hundreds of tickets on for guaranteed win. D:
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 06:51:25 pm
:O
As long as you don't let the filthy rich stick hundreds of tickets on for guaranteed win. D:

I am thinking about such a cap:

You can buy max. 4 "effective" tickets.

Effective ticket is a ticket that actually participates in drawing.

First ticket costs 5k (in total - 5k)
Second ticket costs 15k (in total - 5k + 10k)
Third ticket costs 30k (in total - 5k + 10k + 15k)
Fourth ticket costs 50k (in total - 5k + 10k + 15k + 20k)

In other words:

If you buy 1 ticket on market, you got 1 effective ticket in Lottery.
If you buy 3 tickets on market, you got 2 effective tickets in Lottery.
If you buy 6 tickets on market, you got 3 effective tickets in Lottery.
If you buy 10 tickets on market, you got 4 effective tickets in Lottery.

I will count how many tickets each character bought. If one bought not an equal amount of tickets required for given amount of effective tickets, it's his problem.

For example, if MrIAmGreedy buys 5 Tickets, he only gets 2 effective tickets in Lottery. Sorry, no refunds. If you want, you still can buy one more ticket to get total of 6 tickets, though. And in effect you will get 3 effective tickets.



I know it is a bit complicated, but this is the only way "rich" people won't get huge advantage over others in the lottery. Sure, five tickets is much bigger chance for winning, but if someone else wins, he gets 45k from your pocket. Funny, isn't it?



Give me your feedback, please. I am not sure if it isn't too complicated.
Also feel free to ask any questions. I might forget about something.

NOTE: The next edition of lottery didn't start yet!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 20, 2012, 07:13:58 pm
Hey Dravic, not to be rude or anything but that suggestion is just plain stupid. I think you should cap the amount of tickets that can be bought, but making people pay more than 5k for each extra ticket does not make any sense at all.

I mean if someone buys 4 tickets he will have x4 the chance of winning, but he has also payed x4 the amount of gold.

In real lotteries there is no limit for the amount of tickets you can buy, because it does not matter. If there is a total of 10000 tickets in a lottery and one person buys 9999 while another person buys one. The person who buys 9999 will most likely win, but will also not be able to get very much money. And the person who only buys one has the chance of earning x10000 his money, but has a small chance of winning.

If anything the person who buys 9999 tickets should be paying less for each ticket, because he is risking a lot of money for almost no profit, tho I also find that idea stupid :wink:

If someone came and decided to buy 10000 tickets in this lottery you are holding then I would be happy, because it is the same thing as if 10000 different people came and bought each their ticket. It would make the lottery more fun for me because I would have the chance of winning more money. Yes the chance of winning is extremely small, high money prizes makes everything fun.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Gnjus on February 20, 2012, 07:25:17 pm
1 ticket per man should be enough, it's a game ffs, lets enjoy awaiting for Lady Luck, don't be greedy assholes, its more enjoyable if you win with only 1 ticket then having bought 20 or 50.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on February 20, 2012, 07:27:49 pm
Gnjus has the right attitude!
I support him.

PS: Gnjus, now you can release my family, please.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Apsod on February 20, 2012, 07:33:22 pm
Meh, I would rather have it be only one instead having to pay extra for the extra tickets.

Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 20, 2012, 07:49:00 pm
   
Mkey guys, i have a suggestion for making drawings as secure as possible :)
 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
When you buy a "ticket", you will automatically get a unique number ( 00-99 ), that is known to you and Dravic:
 
(click to show/hide)
 
The last two digits are pretty random :)
 
* If necessary, i am sure it is possible to control the authenticity of numbers, since all market transactions should be stored on cRPG's "server", if i understand that correctly 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
A number will be drawn, using one of the national lottery results:
 
F.ex. UK:
 
https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/lotto/results/results.ftl
(click to show/hide)

Combination of all digits - perfectly random AND publicly verifiable. New results every 3 days. :)
If the sum is over 100 - use the last 2 digits.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
So, todays result would be this:
 
Uk lotto number: 2 - 19 - 22 - 30 - 33 - 41
Sum of all lotto digits:      2+19+22+30+33+41=147
A winning number using the above result: 47
 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
Now i know it looks like a lengthy and complicated process, but in reality, it only takes 1-2 min. It is the most secure and publicly opened way i could think of :) That is just an idea, but it might lead to a more elegant solution :)

EDIT: If the winning number wasn't on anyones ticket - 1 more ticket can be bought. This way, with 10-20 tickets sold every 3 days - there will be a winner at least every 3 weeks :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Broc on February 20, 2012, 08:13:41 pm
So Dravic, how much money have you made off this thing so far?
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 09:51:11 pm
Curious?

Sure, I can tell you:

First edition:

16 tickets * 200 gold profit for me = 3.200 gold

Second edition:

24 tickets * 500 gold profit for me = 12.000 gold

Sumed up:

3.200 + 12.000 = 15.200 gold

Profitable? Yes. Stolen? Nope.

You knew from the start that I will get some money.

Oh, and at the moment that money isn't going anywhere, so don't worry.





Back to ideas how to improve Lottery:

I asked about this one some time ago but almost no one gave feedback:

I've got another idea for improvement. Please give me your feedback:

How about making the draw with not only full tickets, but also "blank tickets" -  noone gets anything, the cumulation proceeds to the next edition.
That would look like that:

Numbers:

1. Ticket
2. Blank ticket
3. Ticket
4. Blank ticket
etc.

And would also lead to higher cumulations if noone gets lucky. What do you think?
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Broc on February 20, 2012, 10:29:08 pm
Forgive me if I came off as sounding sarcastic or malicious, I was only curious :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 20, 2012, 10:40:57 pm
Forgive me if I came off as sounding sarcastic or malicious, I was only curious :)

No problem.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on February 20, 2012, 10:58:34 pm
I like the blank ticket idea, but I don't like the 50% of tickets are blank idea. That would drastically reduce the individual's chance to win. Maybe 1/3 or 1/4 of total tickets are blank?
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Lysander on February 21, 2012, 01:11:09 pm
I like the blank ticket idea, but I don't like the 50% of tickets are blank idea. That would drastically reduce the individual's chance to win. Maybe 1/3 or 1/4 of total tickets are blank?




This
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 21, 2012, 01:24:55 pm
   
Mkey guys, i have a suggestion for making drawings as secure as possible :)
 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
When you buy a "ticket", you will automatically get a unique number ( 00-99 ), that is known to you and Dravic:
 
(click to show/hide)
 
The last two digits are pretty random :)
 
* If necessary, i am sure it is possible to control the authenticity of numbers, since all market transactions should be stored on cRPG's "server", if i understand that correctly 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
A number will be drawn, using one of the national lottery results:
 
F.ex. UK:
 
https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/lotto/results/results.ftl
(click to show/hide)

Combination of all digits - perfectly random AND publicly verifiable. New results every 3 days. :)
If the sum is over 100 - use the last 2 digits.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
So, todays result would be this:
 
Uk lotto number: 2 - 19 - 22 - 30 - 33 - 41
Sum of all lotto digits:      2+19+22+30+33+41=147
A winning number using the above result: 47
 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
Now i know it looks like a lengthy and complicated process, but in reality, it only takes 1-2 min. It is the most secure and publicly opened way i could think of :) That is just an idea, but it might lead to a more elegant solution :)

EDIT: If the winning number wasn't on anyones ticket - 1 more ticket can be bought. This way, with 10-20 tickets sold every 3 days - there will be a winner at least every 3 weeks :)

I like this idea but how can we check the transaction numbers again?
And yea, if no number wins, adding the sum to the next edition's pool sounds awesome.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 21, 2012, 04:25:12 pm
That drawing system is too complicated.

I prefer TS + camera/some fraps-like application MUCH more.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 21, 2012, 05:10:24 pm
I like this idea but how can we check the transaction numbers again?
And yea, if no number wins, adding the sum to the next edition's pool sounds awesome.

Well, the transaction numbers are only visible to one who purchase a ticket ( under sent messages ) and Dravic.

(click to show/hide)

If "community" has any suspicions - i am sure one of admins can verify transaction numbers from a log. But that would take Dravic and several others to conspire. :)

That drawing system is too complicated.

I prefer TS + camera/some fraps-like application MUCH more.

Using UK Lotto every time - it only takes few seconds to "calculate" the winning number :) You just need to find a sum of 6 numbers . ( f.ex. 9 + 28 + 30 + 33 + 40 + 44 = 184 ).

But then again, that was just an idea :)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on February 21, 2012, 05:39:20 pm
Sure, the idea is OK, but really - typing two numbers (actually, one number) in Random Number Generator on random.org is easier.

Oh, not to mention how easier is implementing new "features" into Lottery with TRMG (True Random Number Generator)
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on February 21, 2012, 07:13:56 pm
i demand moar lotteries NAO!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on February 23, 2012, 03:05:35 am
i demand moar lotteries NAO!
This. xD
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 24, 2012, 04:43:08 pm
So when is the next Lottery?.. :(


Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: wanteds on February 28, 2012, 12:56:35 pm
What happened to this? I thought it was going to be organized 2 times per week!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: djavo on February 28, 2012, 10:23:12 pm
What happened to this? I thought it was going to be organized 2 times per week!

He stole your money noobs and run to Algeria.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 28, 2012, 11:27:34 pm
He stole your money noobs and run to Algeria.

visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Algeria?.. They only accept goats as currency.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Earthdforce on March 11, 2012, 11:03:07 am
Bring it back!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Mallets on March 23, 2012, 12:18:20 am
It'd be awesome if this was still going on!  Seemed like a really fun idea!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Thovex on March 23, 2012, 10:13:36 am
I guess I can put it up if he doesn't continue.

I'll look into it then soon.
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on March 30, 2012, 12:26:56 pm
I guess I can put it up if he doesn't continue.

I'll look into it then soon.

DO IT NOW!!!!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Dravic on April 01, 2012, 06:37:01 pm
He did, Cepeshi.


My nickname is Dravic and I approve this Lottery. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,29034.msg425233.html#msg425233)


Sorry for being away. Please do expect it won't change anytime soon.

I am really sorry for everyone supporting my 5K Lottery and getting forgotten while I went away... I will try to compensate the moral and psychological loss in the future.

In other words, when I do come back - and it won't happen anything faster than in May, I am afraid.

Also, to your knowledge, there were several reasons of my disappearance, and only one of them was directly bound with cRPG - I were getting kicked every time I played, some connection issues that did not touch only me but many many people from our community. Other reasons will stay secret as they are more private.

I hope you will have fun with Thovex's Lottery!
Title: Re: 5K Lottery
Post by: Cepeshi on April 02, 2012, 10:05:46 am
He did, Cepeshi.


My nickname is Dravic and I approve this Lottery. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,29034.msg425233.html#msg425233)


Sorry for being away. Please do expect it won't change anytime soon.

I am really sorry for everyone supporting my 5K Lottery and getting forgotten while I went away... I will try to compensate the moral and psychological loss in the future.

In other words, when I do come back - and it won't happen anything faster than in May, I am afraid.

Also, to your knowledge, there were several reasons of my disappearance, and only one of them was directly bound with cRPG - I were getting kicked every time I played, some connection issues that did not touch only me but many many people from our community. Other reasons will stay secret as they are more private.

I hope you will have fun with Thovex's Lottery!

thanks, thanks, he already took my money :D