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Title: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 15, 2012, 11:04:39 am
Ok, I've played many generations as a 1h/shielder. But now I have no further need to retire anymore and therefore I'm going to plan my build to level 32.
The builds I've enjoyed the most were the 21/15 and 18/18 builds. I don't like 15/* builds, as I don't like it when I need 5+ hits to kill someone and they only need 1-2 to kill me.

My favourite playstyle is being the defender. Holding the choke points, gates, gatehouse, whatever and I mostly play siege and occasionally battle. I plan on using either the warhammer and/or the NCS.

I've come up with several builds for level 32, but can't really decide.
Here's what I came up with:

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I have a hard time deciding which one to take, but I'm leaning towards the 27/15 build. 9 PS and a warhammer sounds very painfull.
If you have other suggestions, feel free to post em here with a good reason why your build is good.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kherr on February 15, 2012, 12:12:20 pm
what about 24/15? You dont need to be faster than 5 ath if you defend something (perhaps with medium or heavy armor). But with 24 str you can fill IF and you have a few more points. Ok... I choosed 24/15 because I thought I play between 30 and 32. But now I could imagine not to retire anymore and 1h/pole seems to be a good combination.
Or 27/15 and filling up IF at lvl 33.


    Strength: 24
    Agility: 15
    Hit points: 75

    Skills to attributes: 4

    Ironflesh: 8
    Power Strike: 8
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 5
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 3

    One Handed: 113
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 85
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

Edit:
I would always fill IF if you wear medium/high armor and if you defend something. I tried all agi from 12 up to 24. But nothing can substitute strength.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Fartface on February 15, 2012, 12:47:44 pm
I generaly always make sure my build has the full if.
24/15 is going to be better than 27/15.
You wil only do like 9% more damage or something , but the full if will give you lots of health more.
And you can get wm or something else which is nice.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Mala on February 15, 2012, 12:52:29 pm
I was quite pleased with the 21/21 build, it has hit quite hard and the speed was not that bad.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kherr on February 15, 2012, 12:58:20 pm
Quote from: Mala on February 15, 2012, 12:52:29 pm
I was quite pleased with the 21/21 build, it has hit quite hard and the speed was not that bad.
Mala, you had 0 wm? I know you in light armor, light shield, ... focused on speed.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kenouse on February 15, 2012, 01:04:16 pm
The thing is - 27/15 is a strong build... but the warhammer might be a bit short for that build. If you are up against any guy who knows how to play he will simply out-range you.
I would go for atleast 90+ range, anything with 9 ps hurts  :wink:
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Mustikki on February 15, 2012, 01:21:53 pm
Yes, Warhammer might be too short weapon for such an build, but Military Hammer (80 length) could be a working weapon.

I would suggest you to first, in the way to 32lv, make your character as 24/15, and then depending which is more needed for your playing style, either +3 str or +3 agi.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 15, 2012, 01:47:23 pm
Thanks for the replies so far. Very usefull feedback.

Quote from: Kherr on February 15, 2012, 12:12:20 pm
Or 27/15 and filling up IF at lvl 33.

That's the idea with the 27/15 build, I can keep improving that build if I ever manage to get to 33 or 34.

Quote from: george on February 15, 2012, 12:47:44 pm
I generaly always make sure my build has the full if.
24/15 is going to be better than 27/15.
You wil only do like 9% more damage or something , but the full if will give you lots of health more.
And you can get wm or something else which is nice.

The "lot's of health more" is just 5 points. 70 hp vs 75. I sacrifice 9% damage for 5 hp more.
The choice between the 24/18 build and the 24/15 build is harder though. Does 1 athletics make up for the loss of 8 hp... I'm inclined to say no and pick the 24/15 build.
WM is kinda useless. I'm level 28 now, haven't put a single point in WM and I hardly notice the difference. Only agility builds can double hit when I mess up my footwork.

Quote from: Kenouse on February 15, 2012, 01:04:16 pm
The thing is - 27/15 is a strong build... but the warhammer might be a bit short for that build. If you are up against any guy who knows how to play he will simply out-range you.
I would go for atleast 90+ range, anything with 9 ps hurts  :wink:
Quote from: Mustikki on February 15, 2012, 01:21:53 pm
Yes, Warhammer might be too short weapon for such an build, but Military Hammer (80 length) could be a working weapon.

I would suggest you to first, in the way to 32lv, make your character as 24/15, and then depending which is more needed for your playing style, either +3 str or +3 agi.

I have that problem now every so often (18/15 build atm), but mostly against good duelers. I have to watch my reach very carefull as it's easy to miss a hit. It's a bitch to fight someone with 6-7 athletics and a great long bardiche for instance.
The tight spaces and clusterfucks in sieges help me in that regard. Less space to move around in and someone swinging a long weapon around is likely to hit a teammate.
I planned this build for level 30, but not that it kinda makes the 21/21 build impossible:
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I still have quite a while to make up my mind (I make about 200k exp a night and I still have 300k more to go for level 29 :P), but keep the feedback comming!
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Mala on February 15, 2012, 02:04:18 pm
Quote from: Kherr on February 15, 2012, 12:58:20 pm
Mala, you had 0 wm? I know you in light armor, light shield, ... focused on speed.
Naa, 5 (four for the mainweapon and one for the backup crossbow).
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kansuke on February 15, 2012, 02:38:27 pm
I'm going for 27/15 too with 9 PS and 95 reach sword (100 speed). I found that 5 ath and shield is enough for me to beat most people even in duel and high PS makes you really effective in battle.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 15, 2012, 02:46:05 pm
Quote from: Kansuke on February 15, 2012, 02:38:27 pm
I'm going for 27/15 too with 9 PS and 95 reach sword (100 speed). I found that 5 ath and shield is enough for me to beat most people even in duel and high PS makes you really effective in battle.

I would go with an italian sword. I don't like using it with just 6 PS, it glances a lot.
 I'm guessing you got the nordic warsword? :P
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kansuke on February 15, 2012, 03:04:39 pm
Yeah you guessed right, Nordic Champion's Sword was nice but in really close combat like in siege clusterfuck situation it often get stuck on teammate's shield bedind me or on wall because of it's length. However I wouldn't go for a sword which has less than 90 length with a strength based build.

Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Mlekce on February 15, 2012, 03:31:53 pm
how about

18/18?

ps,if,wm,shield,ath 6.
153 wpf in 1h
good speed,fast weapon,hard breaking shield,nice hit,pretty hard to kill with medium armor.

but since you going to lvl 32 you may go 21/18 or 18/21,and sacrifice shield,if,or wm to get 7 athl or 7ps.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Zanze on February 15, 2012, 03:51:20 pm
Don't forget WM increases damage as well.

Also, I would suggest 21/21 with 7WM and 7 PS. ./agree with Mlekce
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Loar Avel on February 15, 2012, 08:27:56 pm

I say, 18/24

One Handed    149

Iron Flesh    0    
Power Strike    6    
Shield    4    
Athletics    8
Weapon Master    5

I'm using it in light armor.

It's hit hard enough, really quick so I can slay bowman, evade and kill horseman.

Only bad point, this build doesn't alow mistake.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 15, 2012, 09:15:00 pm
Quote from: Zanze on February 15, 2012, 03:51:20 pm
Don't forget WM increases damage as well.

Also, I would suggest 21/21 with 7WM and 7 PS. ./agree with Mlekce

It's a bit of a glass canon build. I would need to sacrifice all my IF and would not be able to have 7 athletics. I would be rather squishy with only 56 hp.

Quote from: Loar Avel on February 15, 2012, 08:27:56 pm
I say, 18/24

One Handed    149

Iron Flesh    0    
Power Strike    6    
Shield    4    
Athletics    8
Weapon Master    5

I'm using it in light armor.

It's hit hard enough, really quick so I can slay bowman, evade and kill horseman.

Only bad point, this build doesn't alow mistake.

Great build. Perfect for battle with cav and archers everywhere.
It is however, not as useful in sieges where you will get hit a lot and high running speed is not as useful as it is on the open terrain of most battles.
Thanks for the input though.
Gonna try something with an STF alt :)
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Stabby_Dave on February 15, 2012, 09:41:07 pm
Is the general consensus among 1 handers that there is no need for WM then? I have always used it but it seems most people dont.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 15, 2012, 09:54:23 pm
For one handers I love it, for polearms I don't feel as though I need as much, and if I am a hoplite or a cav lancer then I don't need it at all. My two handers vary wildly and I have no opinion on that.

I highly recommend high WPF for one handers, though I suppose if you use really light armour and a fast weapon then you won't really care much like Dio' plays.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 15, 2012, 10:03:45 pm
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on February 15, 2012, 09:54:23 pm
For one handers I love it, for polearms I don't feel as though I need as much, and if I am a hoplite or a cav lancer then I don't need it at all. My two handers vary wildly and I have no opinion on that.

I highly recommend high WPF for one handers, though I suppose if you use really light armour and a fast weapon then you won't really care much like Dio' plays.

Most 1h weapons are rather fast. I use armour weighing about 14.9 total (inluding helmet, gloves and boots). Doing my first gen now without WM (alway had 5 before that) and I don't really notice the difference.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Tindel on February 16, 2012, 07:52:48 am
27/12
78hp

9IF
9ps
4shield
4ath
4WM

Go with heavy armor 50+ at least,  heavy boardshield,  sword with a good thrust, preferably 24+
Dont need more than 12agi, 9ps is enough,  and you can never get enough hp

Thats what i would do :)
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Cyclopsided on February 16, 2012, 08:06:14 am
21/21 or 24/18 imo.
the combination of both high PS and ATH is too great.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 16, 2012, 08:40:57 am
Quote from: Marathon on February 16, 2012, 08:06:14 am
21/21 or 24/18 imo.
the combination of both high PS and WM is too great.

Well, none of the builds I posted had any WM in it.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Cyclopsided on February 16, 2012, 09:53:02 am
Quote from: Spawny on February 16, 2012, 08:40:57 am
Well, none of the builds I posted had any WM in it.
I meant athletics. Mistype. editing to fix it
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: rustyspoon on February 16, 2012, 02:04:55 pm
I'd do 21/21 over 24/18. Just that one extra athletics point makes a HUGE difference in being able to catch kiting archers.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 16, 2012, 02:25:59 pm
Quote from: rustyspoon on February 16, 2012, 02:04:55 pm
I'd do 21/21 over 24/18. Just that one extra athletics point makes a HUGE difference in being able to catch kiting archers.

I'm goig to play around a bit with 21/15 and 7 PS and see how I do. Currently I'm using 18/15 and I feel like I lack power and I need too many hits to kill people. If I still have that feeling a 7 PS, I'm going for more to compensate. I don't like it when I hit someone 4-5 times and they're still standing and I get hit 1-2 times by them and die.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 16, 2012, 02:40:56 pm
27/15 is an excellent build.

24/18 not so much. You've already gone over it but 24/15 is much better than 24/18 the 6 points to play with are much more valuble in that catagory.

Peronaly I would go 24/15 over 27/15. Its a more balanced build with a bit more grunt in the stats department. If however you think you will get to 33 or 34 then 24/18 become more attractive. If you feel confident that you will get to 33 then this build steps up, with the 3 points you have to play with at 33 you can buff out shield or drop 3MW and shoot up a notch with your heavy hitting NCS.

Personaly I notice the difference between +3NCS 111wpf and 140wpf. Many people say they don't, I find it feels more responsive.

Good luck, tough to choose :D
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 16, 2012, 05:00:20 pm
Quote from: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 16, 2012, 02:40:56 pm
Good luck, tough to choose :D

Very...
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Zanze on February 17, 2012, 04:42:10 pm
Re-read your post. If you want to be a "defender" I would assume athletics is less of an issue... How about adding light throwing (carry throwing daggers or franciscas). This allows you to chase archers, or break shields if necessary. By breaking shields, I mean actually using the melee function. Frans are very fast, but short and only 27c I think. Break shield, take out hammer. Nothing else. Also, throw daggers at horses, headshots do a decent amount of damage if the horse is not armored.

24/15
IF: 4
PS: 8
Ath: 5
PT: 2
WM: 5
One-Handed: 135
Throwing: 80
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 17, 2012, 11:40:54 pm
Quote from: Zanze on February 17, 2012, 04:42:10 pm
Re-read your post. If you want to be a "defender" I would assume athletics is less of an issue... How about adding light throwing (carry throwing daggers or franciscas). This allows you to chase archers, or break shields if necessary. By breaking shields, I mean actually using the melee function. Frans are very fast, but short and only 27c I think. Break shield, take out hammer. Nothing else. Also, throw daggers at horses, headshots do a decent amount of damage if the horse is not armored.

24/15
IF: 4
PS: 8
Ath: 5
PT: 2
WM: 5
One-Handed: 135
Throwing: 80

I'm not too fond of throwing, so that's something I won't pick up fast (as a secondary, love throwing as a main proficiency). I can always bring a cheap axe for shield breaking, even the cheap ones eat shields quickly.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Renegat on February 18, 2012, 03:14:33 pm
My current build is 21/15 with 7 ps, 7 if, 5 shield, 5 ath, 5 wm and 5 riding (and i'm lvl 32).
Of course, you don't need the 5 riding for siege and apparently you don't want wm (even if, in my opinion, it's very important, realy feel a difference between 120 and 150 wpf). So you could go for a 21/18 build or even a 21/21 build.

Actually, it depends of the weapon you want to use. I currently have a mw warhammer, i often one shot poeple and i need a maximum of 4 hit to kill str builds or full plate guys. It would be an awesome weapon if i had more ath to compensate the length, so if you want to use it, you should get more ath than me, at least 6 or even 7.

As far as ps is concerned, i think 7 is enough, i also had an elite scimitar (with the same build) and i have now a ncs, and i often 2 shot poeple and never (but for str builds and full plate) need like 5 or 6 hits to kill someone.
Ath is also very important (imo) when you are alone against 3/4/5 ennemies, so you can backpeddal until you find the right moment to attack the one who seems the most unprepared (don't know if it's correct english here :s) and then deal with the rest.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 19, 2012, 11:08:13 pm
Quote from: Renegat on February 18, 2012, 03:14:33 pm
My current build is 21/15 with 7 ps, 7 if, 5 shield, 5 ath, 5 wm and 5 riding (and i'm lvl 32).
Of course, you don't need the 5 riding for siege and apparently you don't want wm (even if, in my opinion, it's very important, realy feel a difference between 120 and 150 wpf). So you could go for a 21/18 build or even a 21/21 build.

Actually, it depends of the weapon you want to use. I currently have a mw warhammer, i often one shot poeple and i need a maximum of 4 hit to kill str builds or full plate guys. It would be an awesome weapon if i had more ath to compensate the length, so if you want to use it, you should get more ath than me, at least 6 or even 7.

As far as ps is concerned, i think 7 is enough, i also had an elite scimitar (with the same build) and i have now a ncs, and i often 2 shot poeple and never (but for str builds and full plate) need like 5 or 6 hits to kill someone.
Ath is also very important (imo) when you are alone against 3/4/5 ennemies, so you can backpeddal until you find the right moment to attack the one who seems the most unprepared (don't know if it's correct english here :s) and then deal with the rest.

This is my first gen with a warhammer and I've used the 21/15 build most of the time in the past. I'm starting to find out 5 athletics just doesn't cut it with such a short weapon. I still find 18 strength to be sub par, so I need at least 7.

After some numberwork with the char calculator, the difference between 7 PS and full WM and 9 PS is just 2 damage a hit.
So I'm very much leaning towards this build:

Level 32 (17 784 806 xp)

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 18
    Hit points: 66

    Skills to attributes: 4

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 6
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 157

Loses 4 hp and 2 damage to gain 1 athletics and a bit faster swinging/feinting. Max out IF and shield skill at level 33.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: rustyspoon on February 20, 2012, 12:43:08 am
Quote from: Spawny on February 19, 2012, 11:08:13 pm
This is my first gen with a warhammer and I've used the 21/15 build most of the time in the past. I'm starting to find out 5 athletics just doesn't cut it with such a short weapon. I still find 18 strength to be sub par, so I need at least 7.

After some numberwork with the char calculator, the difference between 7 PS and full WM and 9 PS is just 2 damage a hit.
So I'm very much leaning towards this build:

Level 32 (17 784 806 xp)

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 18
    Hit points: 66

    Skills to attributes: 4

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 6
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 157

Loses 4 hp and 2 damage to gain 1 athletics and a bit faster swinging/feinting. Max out IF and shield skill at level 33.

You could easily drop some points in WM to increase IF and shield. Especially when you're using weapons with a high initial speed, WM does barely anything to increase swing speed.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 22, 2012, 09:33:25 am
Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

After extensive playing around with the warhammer and other short/longer weapons, I've decided to go for the 21/18 build with 5 IF/Shield, 7 PS and 6 athletics/WM as an improved version of the 21/15 build.
The warhammer is just too short to use effectively with 5 athletics and a tad bit too slow without WM. This is not something you notice when fighting in the big blob, but as soon as you're in a short 1v1 fight with someone who knows his weaponrange and 6 or more athletics, you're in a severe disadvantage.
Kinda feels like fighting an agility build with a scimitar as a mauler in light armour.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kherr on February 25, 2012, 01:53:26 pm
Spawny, are you happy with the 21/18 build?
I am still playing with 24/15. It seems the moving speed depends more on weight than agi/ath. I use usually medium/heavier armor.
So I am testing with a lighter equipment atm.
I fear my main problem is awareness, not speed.

Did you see a recognizeable speed advantage with 18 agi?
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on February 25, 2012, 05:13:09 pm
I'm at 18/18 now and I definatly notice the agility difference. Much more than I had thought. I also dropped the warhammer, as it's short reach is a big disadvantage. Anyone with 6 or more athletics and a longer weapon can play the range game with you and you can hardly get hits in.
6 PS and a NCS Works like a charm so far, getting decent to good scores on both battle and siege.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: ZEE_BISHOP on March 05, 2012, 03:23:16 pm
21/18 is for sure the way to go. 21/15 is a solid build, but you'll find you're having to shove your shield on your back / wear extremely light armour in order to attempt to keep up with the 2H sword AGIspammers (most people...). And advice would be, avoid them, but as mentioned -- they are the bulk of melee people. And you won't be able to out run them, you can't spend your whole time avoiding the bulk of people -- it's just not very viable. Adding more than 21 strength is just gluttony as a 1h shielder, the extra HP / hitting power is nice, but you're more than capable of killing people with 21 strength and you'd be better served keeping in range and getting a speed bonus for your hits with more AGI.

21/18 allows you to keep up with them in armour that isn't paper thin, it also allows you to dodge around a lot more effectively when being gang banged by 2 - 8 people causing them to hit each other and you get free hits on the back people. 21/15 just doesn't give you the manoeuvrability / armour / acceleration to pull that off consistently. with 21/18 you can spring surprise forward attacks on people that want to keep you on the edge of their massive range advantage.

I also think not wearing paper thin armour is a big plus, you don't have to wear super heavy equipment, but medium tier body armour, decent gloves and a helmet that allows you the ability to still move fast (don't bother with legs). The mantra that your shield is your armour does not hold true in a group gang bang where you're going to catch a few hits occasionally no matter how good your footwork is. It's not possible to always avoid such a situation in Battle. It's nice to not die in 1 - 2 hits, which can mean you surviving til the end of the round and killing 1 - 5 more people.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Vodner on March 05, 2012, 03:37:11 pm
I've been playing around with a 27/15 one-hander build for a while now. The build really shines in packed group combat (it's amazing in strat), but 5 ath leads to some really painful deficiencies that you have to plan for.

In Nv1 scenarios, you're in a lot of trouble (assuming decent opponents who know how to work together). You don't have the ath to keep the bulk of the enemies out of reach, so you can easily find yourself surrounded and killed. With more ath, you are able to either fall back to your team, or dance around your opponents.

In 1v1 scenarios, 5 ath becomes very painful versus competent 7+ ath players with longer weapons. You have very small timing windows in which to attack, and your opponent will completely control the pace of the fight.

If I respec again (not sure if I want to), I'll probably go 24/18 or 21/21. That being said, this build is definitely solid.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on March 05, 2012, 04:11:23 pm
Quote from: Vodner on March 05, 2012, 03:37:11 pm
I've been playing around with a 27/15 one-hander build for a while now. The build really shines in packed group combat (it's amazing in strat), but 5 ath leads to some really painful deficiencies that you have to plan for.

In Nv1 scenarios, you're in a lot of trouble (assuming decent opponents who know how to work together). You don't have the ath to keep the bulk of the enemies out of reach, so you can easily find yourself surrounded and killed. With more ath, you are able to either fall back to your team, or dance around your opponents.

In 1v1 scenarios, 5 ath becomes very painful versus competent 7+ ath players with longer weapons. You have very small timing windows in which to attack, and your opponent will completely control the pace of the fight.

If I respec again (not sure if I want to), I'll probably go 24/18 or 21/21. That being said, this build is definitely solid.

If you have to choose between 24/18 and 21/21, I'd go for 21/21. I'm still at level 30 with 18/18, but more often than not I wished I had higher athletics instead of more damage.
The right weapons do the job and with 7 athletics you can use the short weapons very effectively and then the 38 cut from a +3 broad one handed battle axe, 35 pierce from the steel pick and 34 blunt from the warhammer look very appealing.

When looking at absolute numbers, 1h weapons in general benefit less from PS than 2h/polearms due to the lower base damage. Another reason to get a bit more athletics.

And really, 7 PS does the job perfectly.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Kherr on March 12, 2012, 10:07:21 pm
Spawny, I tried 21/18, but I was not satisfied with that build. I tested 18/21 and 15/24 with stf and the speed was cool.
So I did a respec and make a 21/21 char with WM 0 now. So far it looks very promising.
I wear lighter armor now, so the wpf penalty is not too high, WM 0 should work.
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: Spawny on March 12, 2012, 10:48:54 pm
Let me know how it goes.
I'm still 1.8 mil exp away from level 31 (slow leveler, I know...). I've been doing a lot of swashbucklin' lately with my 18/18 build and a regular espada eslavona (no shield).
Loads of fun and quite effective. It requires a different paystyle though.

Made an STF alt with 24/18 1h/no shield and using just that espada wearing a shirt, I could easily kill people and survive 2-3 hits. 1-2 stabs to kill most enemies and I didn't even have a MW espada. Didn't notice a speeddrop going from 154 wpf to 111. Now I'm kinda tempted to retire and use this build next gen.
Or actually use the champ destrier I have and go for 18/18 shield with 6 riding.

So many choices...
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on March 12, 2012, 11:25:12 pm
my own 1h build is 18\24  at 35 ( one day ) ill go for 18/27 with 9 ath ill kite thoses mofos !
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: isatis on March 13, 2012, 12:17:41 am
what was your old crpg built again balb? like an astonishing 13 ath or so?

I can't wait for your 18/27 mania!
Title: Re: Level 32 1h/shielder build
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on March 14, 2012, 12:19:05 am
Quote from: isatis on March 13, 2012, 12:17:41 am
what was your old crpg built again balb? like an astonishing 13 ath or so?

I can't wait for your 18/27 mania!

if i remember i had like 11 ath or 12 , i wanted to squash the theory that past 10 there wasnt a difference ,

                                          man running at thoses archers was just too awesome :D and they had plate too before silly them !