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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Elmetiacos on February 02, 2012, 12:39:44 pm

Title: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Elmetiacos on February 02, 2012, 12:39:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQdASAKSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQdASAKSo)
Not knowing much Turkish, I don't know whether this is genuine or a wind up. However, yesterday I charged some enemies and got hit twice in quick succession by an arrow and a bolt. On the next map I rounded a hill near some enemies, the same thing happened: thud-thud, two hits on me (not my horse) in quick succession. Next map, I turn a corner in a desert village and exactly the same thing - two hits instantly, thud-thud, with no warning... hmm. Maybe I was just really unlucky. It should be fairly easy to catch someone who uses this particular aimbot (if it exists) because in some cases, the archer isn't looking at what he's shooting.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Vibe on February 02, 2012, 12:43:07 pm
That sure looks like aimbot. Well not really aimbot, more like tracer arrows lol
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Prpavi on February 02, 2012, 12:54:38 pm
knew there gotta be something of this sort.

fucking bundle of stickss
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on February 02, 2012, 12:58:04 pm
Does it work in multiplayer?
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Tennenoth on February 02, 2012, 01:02:57 pm
We were discussing aimbots in irc yesterday, not knowing about this myself we pretty much decided that with cRPG, it would be a fairly pointless endevour to use one since my skilled ranged players would happily be able to out-do these guys.

Basically, with the fact that it is more or less impossible to have pinpoint accuracy there would still be a degree of randomness to everything that the person would do. They would have to be close enough to have their reticle to fit the enemies head perfectly or they would have to have a large trade-off on PD in order to have this.

Sure, it would be viable, sure it would be annoying to have someone with that kind of accuracy but on top of that again, the arrow speed is slow, the arrows aren't homing, you'll still be able to avoid them and it would still be as if someone was shooting at you without it.

In many ways it would be a disadvantage because although they would follow you exactly, and they would follow where you are going to be, as soon as they release the arrow, they can't change the direction of it, and because it appears to lock you into where it wants to fire, you wouldn't be able to pre-empt a quick direction change from an enemy, hitting them successfully.

Personally, at this stage of it's so called development, from watching the video, it would decrease the effectiveness of some ranged players and if there's anyone already using this, I haven't noticed, I still know which people are a good shot and which ones are not, i've not come across anyone who i've suddenly gone "omg, how the hell is he so accurate" who I haven't previously thought were good.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it, as with the autoblocker if this ever came into the game, i'm sure it would be picked up, and secondly, i'm quite sure that there will still be people who are playing legit who are better than them.

This isn't Call of Duty where accuracy is pin point and it would be so damned easy to catch someone who had coded the game to flick around following where the arrow will be released in order to get the shot on target. (Immense character shake in order to follow where the arrow will be released, the shake would also increase rapidly because the quicker you move your mouse, the bigger the reticle would get, so you'd have people wobbling all over the place in order to shoot you perfectly and then you would instantly think "yeah, that guy ain't legit.")

Really wouldn't worry about it, honestly, I would more or less say, if you get shot, you were probably shot legit.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Tzar on February 02, 2012, 01:09:48 pm
Who cares they will just end up to rot with the permabanned autoblocker douche bags..

Grabbing popcorn's an soda to enjoy their tears in the ban section for when the time comes
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Loar Avel on February 02, 2012, 01:26:11 pm
I like it, this kind of my old friendcher are much more easier to dodge.

Could we give it to the really dangerous my old friendcher here? Like Jambi or Blackbow?
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Elmetiacos on February 02, 2012, 01:51:51 pm
The advantage conferred wouldn't necessarily be perfect accuracy, but the ability not to bother aiming. This would allow the cheat to keep up a very fast rate of fire, not waiting until the reticule was narrow, not assigning more wpf to archery than was necessary for PD (if archers do that)
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Darkwulf on February 02, 2012, 05:40:32 pm
Aimbot has been in CRPG for a LONG long time.  I might have been able to help at one point but ive already been banned for 25 days for trying to help with the auto blocker (back when people said autoblocking couldnt be done, sounds familiar to aimbot) so I think ill pass and we can all just deal with it until someone finds a way to detect it.

Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Tennenoth on February 02, 2012, 05:45:00 pm
Aimbot has been in CRPG for a LONG long time.  I might have been able to help at one point but ive already been banned for 25 days for trying to help with the auto blocker (back when people said autoblocking couldnt be done, sounds familiar to aimbot) so I think ill pass and we can all just deal with it until someone finds a way to detect it.

This is completely different, there are more random factors in aiming, with blocking, you have 4 directions, no more, no less, you have no degree of randomness that could decide if someone misses a block because it's always exact, you get the right direction, you block the attack.

With ranged, as I previously said, you've got a reticle that doesn't have an exact hit box, you can only aim to a degree of accuracy and that means that there will never be someone who runs around insta-headshotting everyone at a decent range, it'll be most noticable at close range when someone is able to pop off accurate shot after accurate shot into enemies heads (obviously, they would have to be unaware or not that close)

Unlike aimbots in games like Call of Duty where hitting a target is instant, click the button and see enemy hit, here you have a delay between shooting and landing a shot, that will give another variable and another chance for someone to get out of the way, I have already typed all this out in my previous post and as I say, I wouldn't be worried about an aimbot for multiplayer being particularly effective.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 02, 2012, 05:58:52 pm
I am afraid that it will only work in single player, multiplayer has client server and it is impossible for them to do it on multiplayer , no worries. From watching the video it doesn't seem like its aimbot because it's like he is shooting randomly at one direction while he is pressing the key "`", and those stupid bots might as well got stuck in same position as they doesn't seem to be moving. It might be some kind of program where you can move the reticle to move while you are aiming.

this is not counter strike, even if you are using aimbot, the accurary of head shot is still not 100 % because when you are aiming with a bow the reticle will become larger, and making a aimbot is kinda impossible. someone tried to make it before, but fail to do so
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Gnjus on February 02, 2012, 06:00:48 pm
There is an aimbot in cRPG for some time now, its called Zerobot and it does exactly the same as shown in this video: turns around and shoots randomly while in motion and scores a lot of headshots.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Spawny on February 02, 2012, 06:09:31 pm
There is an aimbot in cRPG for some time now, its called Zerobot and it does exactly the same as shown in this video: turns around and shoots randomly while in motion and scores a lot of headshots.

(click to show/hide)

I saw some merc use that aimbot last night. He even named himself after it... Bastard!
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Darkwulf on February 02, 2012, 06:09:38 pm
I understand your point about aimbot and it sounds like it makes sense.  But when people, myself included, started suspected autoblocker, we were met with similar arguments about why it could not be done.

Now aimbot speculations have been sprouting up more frequent and the "It would'nt work arguments are back". 

There are aimbots that can control the arrow/bullet to do a heat seek hit.  Take the apb aimbot for example.  The uzi has a massive bullet spread and the aimbot will take the spread and make every bullet hit the target.  Same thing with the shotgun.  It makes every round hit the target.  It simply does not just lock onto the target.  It manipulates the projectiles.  This can be done with any game. 

Anything can be hacked.  Anything can be aimbotted. 

I an not trying to promote or advocate using aimbots.  I am just saying it's there and everyone should be mindful of it.  It's there in every online game you have ever played.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Vodner on February 02, 2012, 06:25:54 pm
Quote
The uzi has a massive bullet spread and the aimbot will take the spread and make every bullet hit the target.  Same thing with the shotgun.  It makes every round hit the target.  It simply does not just lock onto the target.  It manipulates the projectiles.  This can be done with any game. 
This is only possible if either:

a) The client and server share the random seed used to determine bullet spread (this is sometimes done so that players can get immediate feedback on the direction their shots are going, rather than having to wait for the server to respond back with that information)

or

b) the random spread is implemented entirely client-side


If the random spread is implemented server-side, and if the seed is not shared with the client, then there is no way for the client to eliminate the spread (assuming the seed is selected in a way that the client cannot predict).
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on February 02, 2012, 06:26:40 pm
jambi, we know
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Darkwulf on February 02, 2012, 06:31:03 pm
This is only possible if either:

a) The client and server share the random seed used to determine bullet spread (this is sometimes done so that players can get immediate feedback on the direction their shots are going, rather than having to wait for the server to respond back with that information)

or

b) the random spread is implemented entirely client-side


If the random spread is implemented server-side, and if the seed is not shared with the client, then there is no way for the client to eliminate the spread (assuming the seed is selected in a way that the client cannot predict).

Yeah I don't know how they do it, but it is done.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Darkwulf on February 02, 2012, 06:33:36 pm
jambi, we know

What does "Jambi, we know" mean?
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Mala on February 02, 2012, 06:35:14 pm
Well, most of the weapons there have no high killing time. With my shaw it was only a bit more than an half second.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Osiris on February 02, 2012, 06:43:23 pm
even if it worked it would be in the same boat as autoblock. It wouldnt make you a good player and will get you banned :D I have never seen anyone caught using auto block who was any good. and the people who did get caught i remember as pretty poor melee players even with autoblock <3
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Mala on February 02, 2012, 06:55:57 pm
It does not matter if it makes you a better player or not. It grants you higher chances to win, and that is the problem.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Cris on February 02, 2012, 06:59:57 pm
id like to see one try as HA, I'd suck XD

Anyway, people move, aim bot would only work well for people moving forward in a straight like or not moving at all. Also, as stated previously by tenne, we dont have pin point accuracy, so there is still the randomness of the shot

That said, if someone uses it, let him/her be banned.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Rebelyell on February 02, 2012, 07:12:37 pm
there is difrence with hit and miss that bot makes you abel to hit wichout skill soo we have to get that away
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: dodnet on February 02, 2012, 07:16:49 pm
There is an aimbot in cRPG for some time now, its called Zerobot and it does exactly the same as shown in this video: turns around and shoots randomly while in motion and scores a lot of headshots.

Yeah, I noticed that bot, esp. after he hit me in the head as a teammate yesterday :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Meow on February 02, 2012, 07:20:01 pm
I will go with there is no way this works in multiplayer, MAYBE if you run the server from inside the game but i highly doubt that.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Nehvar on February 02, 2012, 08:50:40 pm
There is an aimbot in cRPG for some time now, its called Zerobot and it does exactly the same as shown in this video: turns around and shoots randomly while in motion and scores a lot of headshots.

(click to show/hide)

I was wondering how some archers manage to instantly turn around and shoot me when I try to flank them.  I mean, just a second before they had been focused on aiming at another teammate so they could not have been free-looking about for flankers...  Now I know why.  Cheating bitches.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Herkkutatti on February 02, 2012, 09:03:20 pm
I am using leech bot . u mad devs?
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Renten on February 02, 2012, 09:46:33 pm
This would probably be very effective for crossbow cav, You can pretty much point blank people and eliminate almost all of their dodging ability. Actually, if it is capable of aiming for heads even just taking a heavy crossbow for a point blank head shot then switch to weapon would be effective.  As long as its just outside the enemies range it would work, especially since they'd flinch from a successful hit.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 02, 2012, 10:00:24 pm
I will go with there is no way this works in multiplayer, MAYBE if you run the server from inside the game but i highly doubt that.

In my modding knowledge it is possible to make it work in multiplayer, but it should only work with the hoster. It will 100% not work in EU / NA servers. Might work in non-offical server though
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: HarunYahya on February 02, 2012, 11:22:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQdASAKSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQdASAKSo)
Not knowing much Turkish, I don't know whether this is genuine or a wind up. However, yesterday I charged some enemies and got hit twice in quick succession by an arrow and a bolt. On the next map I rounded a hill near some enemies, the same thing happened: thud-thud, two hits on me (not my horse) in quick succession. Next map, I turn a corner in a desert village and exactly the same thing - two hits instantly, thud-thud, with no warning... hmm. Maybe I was just really unlucky. It should be fairly easy to catch someone who uses this particular aimbot (if it exists) because in some cases, the archer isn't looking at what he's shooting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQdASAKSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQdASAKSo)
Not knowing much Turkish, I don't know whether this is genuine or a wind up. However, yesterday I charged some enemies and got hit twice in quick succession by an arrow and a bolt. On the next map I rounded a hill near some enemies, the same thing happened: thud-thud, two hits on me (not my horse) in quick succession. Next map, I turn a corner in a desert village and exactly the same thing - two hits instantly, thud-thud, with no warning... hmm. Maybe I was just really unlucky. It should be fairly easy to catch someone who uses this particular aimbot (if it exists) because in some cases, the archer isn't looking at what he's shooting.
I know turkish so the first text sums up this shit:
Sadece sp de çalışmaktadır = Only works on sp (Accr. for Single Player.)
Now lock the topic :P
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 03, 2012, 12:08:18 am
How long until we see "Auto Chamber"...

I say we find them, and then hire this guy to give the what's for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECx-42Wlho&feature=endscreen
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Leshma on February 03, 2012, 12:32:03 am
There's aimbot in c-rpg, made by cmpx.No need for 3rd party apps, anyone can use it.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on February 03, 2012, 09:39:41 am
Can you upload that video without the music again?

Can't see it in Germany :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 03, 2012, 10:02:10 am
... which video, my video? Maybe youtube pulled it for copywrite. They did warn me, kind of. Hmmmmm I don't see how a free add for an awesome song is a bad thing, FAIR USE MOTHER FUCKERS FAIR MOTHER FUCKING USE!

But if that is it I'll try sort it out.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Camaris on February 03, 2012, 10:30:36 am
Mhh dont think that archers and aimbot would be the problem.
X-Bow and Aimbot would be ;)
At least if thos 2m shotgunplayers start to hit head everytime.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 03, 2012, 10:43:04 am
X-Bow and Aimbot would be ;)

Indeed since the reticle of xbow never change, only bows and i am sure the wps point can affect aimbot,

if you have 0 wps on archery / xbow, aimbot won't help lol.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Gloin on February 03, 2012, 10:47:49 am
I will go with there is no way this works in multiplayer, MAYBE if you run the server from inside the game but i highly doubt that.

You are right.I am turk and it hasnt realised yet.And maker says it will just work in single player
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Kafein on February 03, 2012, 11:06:47 am
I see this as highly valuable for stone throwers.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Vibe on February 03, 2012, 11:19:56 am
Is this a real aimbot?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in an arrowstorm
No escape from archerspam
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor archer, I need aimbotting
Because I'm easy killed, easy owned
Little bad, little worse
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to meee

Mama, just killed a man
Put a bow to his head
Turned on my aimbot, now he's dead
Mama, owning had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mamaaaa, ooooooooOoOOoOO
Didn't mean to make melee cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

It's too late, my time has come
People threatening with ban
Saying I'm not a real man
Goodbye everybody - I've got go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo
I don't want to get banned
I sometimes wish I'd never aimbot at all
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: dado on February 03, 2012, 11:25:26 am
big LOL vibe
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Kafein on February 03, 2012, 11:31:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHbCE53s9hQ


Mama, oooooOOOOOOoooooo  :D
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Casimir on February 03, 2012, 11:32:48 am
Is this a real aimbot?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in an arrowstorm
No escape from archerspam
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor archer, I need aimbotting
Because I'm easy killed, easy owned
Little bad, little worse
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to meee

Mama, just killed a man
Put a bow to his head
Turned on my aimbot, now he's dead
Mama, owning had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mamaaaa, ooooooooOoOOoOO
Didn't mean to make melee cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

It's too late, my time has come
People threatening with ban
Saying I'm not a real man
Goodbye everybody - I've got go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo
I don't want to get banned
I sometimes wish I'd never aimbot at all

Excellent

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Kafein on February 03, 2012, 11:37:30 am
I'm just a poor archer, nobody loves me
He's just a poor archer, from a noob family
Spare him his char from this ban atrocity
Easy come, easy go, will you unban me ?
Noooo, we will not unban you !

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 03, 2012, 11:38:07 am
Vibe....
Excellent
visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Taser on February 03, 2012, 11:57:26 am
Vibe stole the show here. Nice Vibe.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Furax on February 03, 2012, 01:02:42 pm
Beautiful song!

If arrows suddenly started cringing around corners im sure it would get noticed pretty quickly.

What I think is possibly a  bigger unfair advantage for archers is if they could have something that actually showed there trajectory and landing zone for an arrow in f.ex bright red line and circle at splashdown, Expanding as the reticule did.

Im sure some cunning prick already made this for him/herself.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Tennenoth on February 03, 2012, 01:12:41 pm
Beautiful song!

If arrows suddenly started cringing around corners im sure it would get noticed pretty quickly.

What I think is possibly a  bigger unfair advantage for archers is if they could have something that actually showed there trajectory and landing zone for an arrow in f.ex bright red line and circle at splashdown, Expanding as the reticule did.

Im sure some cunning prick already made this for him/herself.

Yes they have and anyone who picks up a ranged weapon will be able to visualise that without the need for the hacks if they play for more than 3 or 4 hours. It's not difficult to learn range, same as it's not difficult to block, it's difficult to master, same as blocking etc. If you need that, I say let them use it because they're clearly not good players. :)
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Furax on February 03, 2012, 02:21:27 pm
Ofcourse its not gonna make them better in the long run and if it was ever considred cheating and a banable offense and they had to stop, they would be worse off.

However for rapidly changing targets that are in diffrent directions at diffrent ranges, this could be really useful for saving you that little to short, or little to far shot. Meaning more arrows to send towards your poor enemies with a higher % chance to hit.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Leshma on February 03, 2012, 07:13:08 pm
Vibe, can I has your loomz?
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Sergee on February 03, 2012, 10:41:54 pm
I KNEWWWWW IT!!!!!
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Elmetiacos on February 05, 2012, 10:44:25 pm
I had an archer from a clan that will remain nameless shoot at me on a siege server today. I saw the animation finish, heard the arrow whistle by and it was a miss. A split second later the shot that had missed was somehow changed into a headshot.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 05, 2012, 10:46:53 pm
I had an archer from a clan that will remain nameless shoot at me on a siege server today. I saw the animation finish, heard the arrow whistle by and it was a miss. A split second later the shot that had missed was somehow changed into a headshot.

Ping, that looks like my shooting experience every moment I'm on EU.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Slamz on July 06, 2012, 11:43:25 pm
I used to be in the "aimbots would be dumb" camp but after playing on EU3, I'm convinced some people have them.

Very typical aimbot-type behavior:

I stand in the open, watch the archer, time his shot, then step behind the siege shield.  Arrow hits the siege shield pretty much where my head would have been if the shield hadn't been in the way.  I can do this with some people repeatedly.  If I stay in the open they'll hit me.  If I step behind the shield they'll shoot anyway.

What human archer is fast enough and smart enough to correct his angle of fire and then slow enough and dumb enough to shoot it right into a siege shield?  Yet an aimbot clicker will do this all the time.  It's a standard way of identifying them in FPS games.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Lactating Vegetables on July 07, 2012, 12:12:19 am
Necro much
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Teeth on July 07, 2012, 12:21:31 am
Good song
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Vibe on July 07, 2012, 12:32:05 am
oooh this thread :D
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Havoco on July 07, 2012, 12:58:59 am
This would probably be very effective for crossbow cav, You can pretty much point blank people and eliminate almost all of their dodging ability. Actually, if it is capable of aiming for heads even just taking a heavy crossbow for a point blank head shot then switch to weapon would be effective.  As long as its just outside the enemies range it would work, especially since they'd flinch from a successful hit.

Rohypnol is using it!!! BAN HE!
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Kafein on July 07, 2012, 01:15:52 am
oooh this thread :D

How much cRPG gold did slamz get for necroing this, you little reknown whore ?  :twisted:
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Vibe on July 07, 2012, 01:38:14 am
must achieve marshall
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: FrugFrug on July 07, 2012, 02:18:33 am
^

666 renown

DON'T UP VOTE ANYMORE OF HIS POSTS!!!!
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: TurmoilTom on July 07, 2012, 05:34:50 am
Everyone already knows people use aimbot... Like Frug with his damn stones. Fuck you, Frug. Fuck you.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Gurnisson on July 07, 2012, 07:01:22 am
Frug you.
Title: Re: Is This a Real Aimbot?
Post by: Juhanius on July 07, 2012, 08:17:22 pm
I call bullshit.