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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Kirman on January 29, 2012, 06:24:34 pm
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Hello guys
Ill explain the situation simple. Sorry for my english before i start this
This is me as a pikeman(long spear)
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My work on the battllefield is takin down the cavs and i should be able to do it easily when a cav charging directly to me.
But sometimes i cant cause i noticed too many great lance users nowadays. I stop the horse but wait im dead cause that stupid thing got 230lenght and couched wtf!!
Simple example of Great Lance user
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Great Lance & Heavy Lance
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(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/heavylance.png/)
Ok theres 40 lenght difference. The point is how the hell i can do my job on the battlefield when theres a great lance user charging directly to me
Suggestion: You can make it shorter or you can remove it from game. If not pikeman is a useless class.
Thank you for reading...
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You are basically really bad if someone with a great lance couches you in a head on charge and you can't stop him with a long spear.
Your options are:
Get a pike (it actually costs less).
or
Time your attack better.
The long spear has a length of 245 and you can thrust with it, you can only couch with the great lance. But you can't defeat anybody if you don't thrust at the right time.
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Thrust adds about 50 length on polearms, so you fail If you cant stop a Great lance coucher charging at you.
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Thrust adds about 50 length on polearms, so you fail If you cant stop a Great lance coucher charging at you.
Where the hell did you get those weird numbers from?
Thrust adds about 0 length on polearms.
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Great lance can only couch and cant block. Its hardly OP
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Where the hell did you get those weird numbers from?
Thrust adds about 0 length on polearms.
Im pretty sure it does add length.I read it in a thread.
Legit.
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It adds 50 length only with shield, without shield it adds 10-20 length so pretty much 0 thanks to the pole grip.
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Ah ok, now THATs why I had 50 in my mind ,thanks :D
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And since people use shields with heavy lances, which animation does it use... :rolleyes:
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well it uses couch :D which doesnt add much length right :P i think the length discussion was in relation to stabbing with a long spear
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It was mostly about Great Lance's lenght but yeah it can be stabbing with a long spear too :D but i dont haveproblem with other cavs which is using heavy/light lance.
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Heavy lance when stabbing is actually longer then the great lance.
Which imho is bs
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And since people use shields with heavy lances, which animation does it use... :rolleyes:
bow animation?
Btw, if someone couches you can jump or walk to the side and stab the horse. Lanceangle on horse isn't that big so it should be quite easy.
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And since people use shields with heavy lances, which animation does it use... :rolleyes:
Actually I believe it uses the one hand pole animation when you are mounted regardless of if you have a shield or not. I might well be wrong though.
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Actually I believe it uses the one hand pole animation when you are mounted regardless of if you have a shield or not. I might well be wrong though.
You're right.
Also, great lance is fine, stop complaining, you're making yourself look silly.
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lol
You really, really want the Great Lance to be removed?
Were you even here, when the Lance of Compensation (LoC), was in this game?
I wonder what you'd do if you'd see the killing power of that thing, suicide? :lol:
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As a cav I feel my combat role should be to walk over pikemen without fear of damage. Please restore LoC and fix its broken thrust.
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Make a cav STF char, buy a horse and a Great Lance and try it. Its fucking hard to kill anyone with that piece of crap. Just leave it as it is, its far from OP and fine the way it is.
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Xside, if you get your timing right, or perform a jump to one side whilst stabbing, you should be ok.
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Great Lance. Can't block with it. Can't attack with it on foot. Very slow, easy to dodge couch. Nerf the shit out of it!
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I would like to add that Cudgel is also very OP
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I was considering makigna topic suggestina buff for the great lance. now i see this!
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Most useful lance at the moment, in my opinion, since couch seems to have a better field of view than thrust now and GL has the longest couch. You still don't want to be running into any HL cav head on, but that's very easily avoidable and it's 1/3 the price of HL.
The best reason to buy a lance other than the GL is if you want to use it as infantry.
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Oh, dear. :(
Take a good look around in the battlefield, at the cav players that have been here a long time and know what they are doing.
How many GL's do you see? Now connect the dots.
Sincerely, Assarhaddon.
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Most useful lance at the moment, in my opinion, since couch seems to have a better field of view than thrust now and GL has the longest couch. You still don't want to be running into any HL cav head on, but that's very easily avoidable and it's 1/3 the price of HL.
The best reason to buy a lance other than the GL is if you want to use it as infantry.
I bet you haven't played cav. At all. Also, if you have a long spear and you manage to get yourself killed by a great lance you're doing it wrong.
Spec the top cavs on the map the next time you get yourself couched and tell me how many of them are using the great lance to rack up their kills.
I would tell you, but I don't want to take away your learning moment.
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Most useful lance at the moment, in my opinion, since couch seems to have a better field of view than thrust now and GL has the longest couch...
FYI the lance thrust angle was reduced down to the same angle as the couch, as such all have exactly the same angle of attack. Furthermore the HL, when thrusted, will out reach the couch from the great lance.
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If you read my post, I did mention that HL outreaches GL. If the angle is the same, I'll take your word for it, though the animation shows it reaching a slightly better angle with couch.
Sorry to all offended by my assertion that great lance is great, but it has the best damage and the 2nd best range, and costs 3.5k. I started a GL char a few days back and was getting 20-0 before I hit level 20, so it doesn't make much sense to me that others would not have the same result. :oops:
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I was considering makigna topic suggestina buff for the great lance. now i see this!
Make the topic, it definitely does need a buff. The samurai vs knights battle showed how useless it is as a weapon vs anyone but unaware noobs.
I would suggest a length increase so that it out-ranges the Heavy Lance since atm there is no reason to choose the Great Lance over the Heavy Lance. Im a 1h cav with 0wpf and even then the HL is much more viable than the GL.
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Why not just remove couch from the normal spears and leave it only on the couching spears?
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Make all "lance"marked weapons couch only...but the lighter the lance the shorter the couch downtime and the slower you can ride with couch mode. This will enhance cav combat all around by making spears, 1h, 2h more viable in cav on cav crime. Currently its heavy lance and bow, bit boring no?
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So you're basically proposing to disable heavy lance (and further nerf the other thrust lances), hoping this will make cav more diverse and enjoyable? I'm not sure you've thought this through.
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Make all "lance"marked weapons couch only...
What a stupid suggestion. Why should a lance (1.6-1.8 weight) be couching only? Most other polearms are heavier then them. Great Lance is weight 5! Don't fuck around with my beloved Light Lance!
Why not just remove couch from the normal spears and leave it only on the couching spears?
I thought about this too, as couching is kinda lame anyway. But still everyone would use Heavy Lance, that wouldn't change much.
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It would make some (Many) cav that couch only during the whole round having to use 2 spears instead of 1 doing both works.
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You can have only one (all are unsheatable) :rolleyes:
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War spear & red tassel aren't tough :)
My point is the only way to buff the couch only lances is to remove couch from the other ones.
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Whats the point?
Heavy lance when stabbing has a longer range than the great lance couching.
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Some (Many) use couching for 1 hit possibilities, unable to block them, easier to break shields, starting a couch while turning a corner well that's pretty much all reasons I know.
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GL??? i have not seen one of those in ages
everyone either uses HL or LL more on the former then the latter as far as i can see
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I start off with L, and go to HL if there are decent players on the map using it. LL is harder for me to justify nowadays. I never use the greatlance.
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I used to LL all day, but since most players are awake to cav on the server I play, it's a bit pointless now I have to ride straight at people. GL is better in almost every way (cheaper, better range, better damage / lower rate of fire, can't use on bumpy terrain).