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Title: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: [ptx] on January 25, 2012, 12:36:09 pm
Y U NO MAKE NEW IP!? (http://ct.gamespot.com/clicks?t=1117568544-bc38739e8225fc496c62f3a2f403c945-bf&brand=GAMESPOT&s=5&=6349018)

So, a lot of sequels coming out. Some games deserve these, some don't...

But even in this utter lack of new titles, there are still some games that SHOULD have received a sequel, but never did. :(

So, post games that deserve good sequels/remakes!

Lemme start with Populous 3 and Dungeon Keeper 2 - both from the most amazingly brilliant Bullfrog studios (R.I.P.). Some remakes of these have been attempted by other studios, that have been either complete fail or not even close. Just an overhaul with modern visuals and stuff would make these games king... :(
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on January 25, 2012, 12:52:44 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSpace_2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSpace_2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freelancer_%28video_game%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freelancer_%28video_game%29)

Both of these deserve a modern re-boot, or sequel.

Sadly both of them are dropped, as far as I know.

Space shooters/travelers are really neglected by the gaming industry anyway, people want to shoot other people to call in atom bombs.

>.<
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Aleskander on January 25, 2012, 01:12:33 pm
I still play through freelance every now and then
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: B3RS3RK on January 25, 2012, 02:12:41 pm
Warcraft IV would be nice.I mean, after Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 in one or five years, Its pretty much obligatory.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Vibe on January 25, 2012, 02:14:07 pm
Agree on a sequel for Dungeon Keeper 2.

What I really want to see however is a new Jedi Knight series game. The last one was Jedi Academy and it has a good combat system. It just shouldn't be dumped, make a new game damn you :(
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Stabby_Dave on January 25, 2012, 06:43:29 pm
Anyone ever play the game Freedom Fighters on PS2? Might be nostalgia but I always remember that game being awesome and would love a sequel.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Nehvar on January 25, 2012, 06:49:31 pm
Xenogears.  I'd love to see a remake that kept the original feel of the game but did not rush the last quarter of it due to publisher pressure.  I'd also like to see the other chapters of the story done by the original team with Mitsuda on music again; Xenosaga was terrible--Bamco trash.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Nehvar on January 25, 2012, 06:51:13 pm
Agree on a sequel for Dungeon Keeper 2.

What I really want to see however is a new Jedi Knight series game. The last one was Jedi Academy and it has a good combat system. It just shouldn't be dumped, make a new game damn you :(

Agreed.  I'm itching for a new "good" Star Wars game that isn't a MMO or a RTS.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: B3RS3RK on January 25, 2012, 06:55:00 pm
A new  Commandos would also be pretty neat imo.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Kafein on January 25, 2012, 06:56:43 pm
Dungeon Keeper 3 :D


I also remember finishing Free Space (the first one) that game was sooo great. There's really a lack of dogfighting and space combat games IMO. X3:TC is an excellent game, but the combats themselves aren't even close to those of Free Space, mostly due to fail AI.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Angantyr on January 25, 2012, 07:07:22 pm
A sequel to the Jedi Knight games is long overdue. Hopefully with combat akin to Warband's. Until then we can cross our fingers for a release of the SW mod for WB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ZcYCAo67o).

Syndicate is a series I recently wished for a sequel in, only to find that one had been announced not long ago. It looks good though it's a shame the isometric, tactical squad elements seem to have gone with the console generation.

Other than that I can only agree with what has already been written here, a new Commandos, Dungeon Keeper or Freedom Fighters would be much appreciated. A Baldur's Gate 3  or Homeworld 3, even.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on January 25, 2012, 09:10:45 pm
Freedom Force. Old  60's comic book heroes style RTS (with great multiplayer and character creation). Needs a third game with a visual style that represents and parodies the modern approach of comic writing with grittier issues and visuals (like updating from Jack Kirby to Brian Michael Bendis/Frank Miller style).

/nerdrant
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Oberyn on January 26, 2012, 12:28:22 am
Jedi Knight type game with more complex combat system would be pretty cool. And since people talked about Starwars games and space simulators, a modern reboot of Tie Fighter.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Nessaj on January 26, 2012, 12:45:26 am
Mega lo Mania.
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It Came from the Desert
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Also, need better (actual) arcade games to return, give some proper Bubble Bubble and Rainbow Island sequels.
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Defender of the Crown

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and last my favorite LAN game SPY vs SPY
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Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Lizard_man on January 26, 2012, 01:22:25 am
I would have loved to have seen a Dungeon Keeper 3, plus a complete remake of The Settlers, the first one was brilliant...
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: RandomDude on January 26, 2012, 03:02:09 am
Not a PC game but...

Shadowrun for the SNES should have had a proper sequel.

I think they made some crappy multiplayer FPS for the pc but it wasnt good.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Angantyr on January 26, 2012, 09:28:12 am
Space shooters/travelers are really neglected by the gaming industry anyway, people want to shoot other people to call in atom bombs.
Check out the X Universe series if you don't know it, last bastion of this genre.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Ujin on January 26, 2012, 09:33:19 am
Omikron : The Nomad Soul should have a sequel , it'd be great with Quantic Dreams talent and today's technology.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Havoco on January 26, 2012, 10:12:59 am
Still waiting on the next mechwarrior....
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: [ptx] on January 26, 2012, 10:17:55 am
There will be a next mechwarrior, it was announced last year, i think. It will be a F2P online game, iirc.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Bjord on January 26, 2012, 10:19:52 am
I want a new modern version of the X3 genre game, Star Wars: Rebellion. And much more sandbox and infinite re-playability.

Was really fun... :(
But way too short gameplay, even though that was remedied by some fan-made plug-in.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Leshma on January 26, 2012, 01:04:45 pm
I want a new modern version of the X3 genre game, Star Wars: Rebellion. And much more sandbox and infinite re-playability.

Was really fun... :(
But way too short gameplay, even though that was remedied by some fan-made plug-in.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/fwtow
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Thovex on January 26, 2012, 01:56:34 pm
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Spyro needs a modern remake, although not a remake like MW3, Battlefield 3 and so on because that will severely rape the game.

Just a good remake  :o
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Leshma on January 26, 2012, 03:58:44 pm
Spyro is for little girls...

Croc is the real deal :mrgreen:

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But the best game of that genre is Conker's Bad Fur Day :)
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: [ptx] on January 26, 2012, 04:00:39 pm
Conker's bad fur day was soooo inappropriate :D
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Krakatit on January 26, 2012, 06:07:24 pm
This is a promising X-Com remake. They are still working on it though.

http://www.xenonauts.com/

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nc7IVbY3UYg
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: ThePoopy on January 26, 2012, 06:41:21 pm
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Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Ganner on January 26, 2012, 08:54:39 pm
Tie fighter.

That game needs to be made asap.  Dont make it some kinda casual sim on rails space game, make it a full on hardcore simulator.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Angantyr on January 26, 2012, 09:22:40 pm
Tie Fighter is a likely candidate for the game I'd like to see a sequel for the most.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Dezilagel on January 26, 2012, 09:49:14 pm
Tie fighter.

That game needs to be made asap.  Dont make it some kinda casual sim on rails space game, make it a full on hardcore simulator.

Just wondering, how can you make a simulator with fighter spaceships blasting each other?
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on January 26, 2012, 10:29:43 pm
Just wondering, how can you make a simulator with fighter spaceships blasting each other?
Well you take some programming knowledge and write lots and lots of code, and then a game pops out at the end. :)
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: bredeus on January 26, 2012, 11:02:48 pm
Agent USA from the times of Commodore C64
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Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Kafein on February 01, 2012, 05:41:33 pm
I want a new modern version of the X3 genre game, Star Wars: Rebellion. And much more sandbox and infinite re-playability.

Was really fun... :(
But way too short gameplay, even though that was remedied by some fan-made plug-in.

X3:TC is still pretty modern. The last patch was made less than one year ago iirc. Those guys are putting a lot of attention on it. And there are quite a lot of good mods, although I never felt the need of adding things.

The only bad thing is the dullness of the combats. You get used to them quite fast because the AI is crap. Apart from that, everything is near-infinite in all directions. You can build a freaking commercial empire with a gigantic war fleet (you need a computer beast for that though) :D
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Aleskander on February 01, 2012, 10:23:24 pm
They came out with the next X3
Albion or something

It's not that good, but buy it anyway to support the company
X: Rebirth is also supposed to come out in 2012
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Overdriven on February 02, 2012, 12:48:25 am
I'd like to see a new Wing Commander.

I really enjoyed Wing Commander: Prophecy for a long time  :D
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Bjord on February 09, 2012, 05:27:17 pm
X3:TC is still pretty modern. The last patch was made less than one year ago iirc. Those guys are putting a lot of attention on it. And there are quite a lot of good mods, although I never felt the need of adding things.

The only bad thing is the dullness of the combats. You get used to them quite fast because the AI is crap. Apart from that, everything is near-infinite in all directions. You can build a freaking commercial empire with a gigantic war fleet (you need a computer beast for that though) :D

I am familiar with X3, what I wanted was a complete re-make of the SW: Rebellion itself.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 09, 2012, 08:09:18 pm
Republic Commando...
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: chadz on February 09, 2012, 08:16:59 pm
... give some proper Bubble Bubble ...

my shitty pirated floppy disk was full of viruses back in the day.

Also, if it hasn't been said yet:
Elite (so we now have PCs like 18000 times as strong as back then, but, apparently, transitionless space-to-surface flight takes too much cpu power nowadays)
Battlezone (as we discussed in IRC lately. one of the best games ever [the new old one, not the old old one]. it's fast, it has a cool story, it's tactical, its hard. awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fff-1tFkpU )

also, if anyone knows other gems like battlezone (first person action combined with real RTS decisions), point me in the right direction, those games are so damn rare.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Angantyr on February 09, 2012, 09:33:54 pm
The X series (with X3 being the newest) comes very close to both Elite and Battlezone (which I agree was an amazing game). It's only in space though, but it's a 1st person, sandbox shooter with RTS elements, a spiritual descendent of games like Elite and Freelancer only with the empire building and army control we know from for example Battlezone or M&B.

Haven't seen a real Battlezone clone though, regrettably, which is odd considering the relative success of the game back then and the brilliance of the hybrid genre.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Torben on February 09, 2012, 09:46:18 pm
Amigas golden axe,  wings of fury

pc warhammer dark omen and dungeon keeper
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Leshma on February 09, 2012, 09:47:29 pm
Also, if it hasn't been said yet:
Elite (so we now have PCs like 18000 times as strong as back then, but, apparently, transitionless space-to-surface flight takes too much cpu power nowadays)

In my "Proposal" thread I've linked a video to the upcoming engine/game which has that feature implemented. Only other game engine (there are plenty demonstrations but those aren't full fledged game engines) that does on a similar level is Infinity game engine but that game isn't gonna come out in billion years (and their ground level rendering looks like shit compared to Outtera).

Outtera engine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z17ocS1uP0E), according to its devs can handle 2.2 billion kilometers from earth center with 1 cm accuracy. For the purpose of a game like Elite it would be best to shrink the universe to more manageable dimensions. I mean, who would play a game where you need several years to travel from one Solar System to another. That way you could easily make a model of our Galaxy with said 1 cm accuracy.

Of course, you won't see any such AAA game because current consoles can't support that kind of game engine.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: RandomDude on February 09, 2012, 10:03:22 pm
Yeah if there was ever anything missing from the X games it was flying into a planets atmosphere, trying not to crash and taking photographs of military installations.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Ujin on February 09, 2012, 10:09:07 pm
anyone mentioned Little Big Adventure yet ?

+ Freelancer


+ equus africanus asinus Kong Country :D

+ Outcast
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 09, 2012, 10:24:00 pm
http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/mambots/content/denvideo/flvplayer.swf?autoStart=1&file=http://www.inovaestudios.com/Videos/I-Novae%20Promo%20Video_9_11_410p.flv&width=730&height=410

Kinda like this in other words.

the game will never be released though(heck, it's even called Infinity), but the engine might be finished.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Angantyr on February 09, 2012, 10:47:58 pm
Outcast
Have you seen the Crysis Wars mod Open Outcast (http://www.youtube.com/user/openOutcast?ob=0)?
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: B3RS3RK on February 09, 2012, 11:17:25 pm
a total war game like medieval I

Or precisely: A good TW game.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 09, 2012, 11:22:34 pm
a total war game like medieval I

Or precisely: A good TW game.

Rome II/ Medieval III y/y?
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 09, 2012, 11:34:16 pm
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need to make a new one of this, was an open world style game really good for its time :L

Rome II/ Medieval III y/y?

A Rome II would be awesome especially with the graphics of shogun 2 and the way they fight, would be interesting to see what they would do with shields and if they would actually block arrows O.o

and Id say Medieval 3 sounds ok but I don't really see what they could add to it apart from graphics and stuff, with rome at least they would make it a different part of romes history...
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 09, 2012, 11:37:52 pm
A Rome II would be awesome especially with the graphics of shogun 2 and the way they fight, would be interesting to see what they would do with shields and if they would actually block arrows O.o

Just install a decent mod.

I remember that I couldn't kill any shielded troop like Hoplites close together standing, or a testudo formation with a volley of 5 Cretan Archer teams. RTR was the one I played, only real use of archery was to run to the sides, or aim for crappy troops/skirmishers. Kinda realistic.

Sure, a few fell after some time, but it was next to useless, thinking on a huge battle scenario.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 10, 2012, 01:16:27 am
Just install a decent mod.

I remember that I couldn't kill any shielded troop like Hoplites close together standing, or a testudo formation with a volley of 5 Cretan Archer teams. RTR was the one I played, only real use of archery was to run to the sides, or aim for crappy troops/skirmishers. Kinda realistic.

Sure, a few fell after some time, but it was next to useless, thinking on a huge battle scenario.

yeah archers were pretty crap and pointless in the game, I think that they should make the third age mod in to an actual Total war game, the mod is epic and if total war and sega back it it would be just plain epic, the films= awesome books= great the mod= amazing.....an actual version made by total war...... *jizz*  :twisted:  8-)
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 10, 2012, 01:23:04 am
yeah archers were pretty crap and pointless in the game,

Nah.

Just imagine the "noob box", a square of phalangites, with dozens of archers inbetween.

Ordering them to stand ground, and with clever positioning, they won't shoot your own men.

It's stupidly powerful against the dumb AI.
Especially if you've got heavy cavalry to rout them from behind, while they're busy breaking your phalanx wall.
(Using fire arrow volleys speed this up, one charge from behind will turn into a mass rout because of the morale decrease.)
Lame strategy, and I tried to use it as few times as possible.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 10, 2012, 01:28:11 am
Nah.

Just imagine the "noob box", a square of phalangites, with dozens of archers inbetween.

Ordering them to stand ground, and with clever positioning, they won't shoot your own men.

It's stupidly powerful against the dumb AI.
Especially if you've got heavy cavalry to rout them from behind, while they're busy breaking your phalanx wall.
(Using fire arrow volleys speed this up, one charge from behind will turn into a mass rout because of the morale decrease.)
Lame strategy, and I tried to use it as few times as possible.

I only ever used them to wound the enemy inf then hammer them with legionaries them hitting them in the rear with cav to rout them easy tatic against a stupid bot as you said
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 10, 2012, 01:29:25 am
I only ever used them to wound the enemy inf then hammer them with legionaries them hitting them in the rear with cav to rout them easy tatic against a stupid bot as you said

Well, hence the name, ROME total war, I never played as Rome.  :lol:

I don't like their fighting style, prefer the Macedonian/Greek way more.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 10, 2012, 01:33:14 am
Well, hence the name, ROME total war, I never played as Rome.  :lol:

I don't like their fighting style, prefer the Macedonian/Greek way more.

fair enough playing as Rome can be pretty easy unless your  fighting the other houses. playing as the barbarian factions was fun though :P
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 10, 2012, 01:34:50 am
fair enough playing as Rome can be pretty easy unless your  fighting the other houses. playing as the barbarian factions was fun though :P

Don't get me started on that "Houses" thing..  :)

I don't know what Creative Assembly was smoking when they thought up that.

Makes zero sense, there was the Roman "Kingdom", Republic, and later, the famous Empire that conquered the most.
And no "houses that control different parts of the faction".
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 10, 2012, 01:51:34 am
Think its to do with something before the Empire when the three most powerful men in Rome controlled nearly everything, Pompey and julius caesar were two but i cant remember the third ill try and find the video about it
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Leshma on February 10, 2012, 02:11:12 am
Third was one of the richest people in human history, Marcus Licinius Crassus.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 10, 2012, 02:45:05 am
thanks leshma cant find the video  :? but it told you about what each man did and how it caused a civil war
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 10, 2012, 03:43:22 am
You mean the Triumvirate?

Well yes, that's somewhat close, but totally, totally different than the three big houses idea of RTW.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on February 10, 2012, 04:06:04 am
You mean the Triumvirate?

Well yes, that's somewhat close, but totally, totally different than the three big houses idea of RTW.

not really, The three most powerfull men in Rome each with their own army.. Three of the most powerfull Houses in Rome each fighting to gain power over rome and rule it. pretty dam close  :P
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: B3RS3RK on February 10, 2012, 06:50:11 am
Noob box is so epic.I used that tactic in MW2 Multiplayer with scottish a lot, almost always won.

Pikemen in a square around, inside some archers and catapults=win.If the money allows it some Gallowglasses as reserve to strengthen weak points.

If the enemy didnt have more archers than you, he was screwed.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: [ptx] on February 10, 2012, 01:04:50 pm
In my "Proposal" thread I've linked a video to the upcoming engine/game which has that feature implemented. Only other game engine (there are plenty demonstrations but those aren't full fledged game engines) that does on a similar level is Infinity game engine but that game isn't gonna come out in billion years (and their ground level rendering looks like shit compared to Outtera).

Outtera engine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z17ocS1uP0E), according to its devs can handle 2.2 billion kilometers from earth center with 1 cm accuracy. For the purpose of a game like Elite it would be best to shrink the universe to more manageable dimensions. I mean, who would play a game where you need several years to travel from one Solar System to another. That way you could easily make a model of our Galaxy with said 1 cm accuracy.

Of course, you won't see any such AAA game because current consoles can't support that kind of game engine.

There have been games like that, i've played at least one russian made space game, that had seamless space-planet surface transitions and so. Game was super dull, though, didn't even finish the tutorial, due to spending 30 fucking minutes flying to the next checkpoint, only to run into some fucking meteor at the end. :mad:
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Leshma on February 10, 2012, 02:26:55 pm
This one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWzC9R4UBpc)

I didn't know it had seamless space-surface transitions.
Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: Christo on February 10, 2012, 02:30:30 pm
This one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWzC9R4UBpc)

I didn't know it had seamless space-surface transitions.

That looks freakin' good.

Too good to be true.  :)

Title: Re: Old game sequels that should have been
Post by: [ptx] on February 10, 2012, 02:55:27 pm
This one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWzC9R4UBpc)

I didn't know it had seamless space-surface transitions.

Naw, some other game, don't remember the name. The idea is that space-surface transitions also mean very looooooong and boring flights between stuff. I'd rather play a game with a loading screen between space and surface areas.