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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lord_Virus on January 24, 2012, 01:20:54 am

Title: cav Bumping
Post by: Lord_Virus on January 24, 2012, 01:20:54 am
I think horse charge should be increase. If it gets increase yes bumping might get OP'ed but they also do more team damage, and you be able to press m for them team wounding. So in a way buffing horses would nerf them.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: polkafranzi on January 24, 2012, 01:27:11 am
I think horse charge should be increase. If it gets increase yes bumping might get OP'ed but they also do more team damage, and you be able to press m for them team wounding. So in a way buffing horses would nerf them.

facepalm
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 24, 2012, 01:28:10 am
I think horse charge should be increase. If it gets increase yes bumping might get OP'ed but they also do more team damage, and you be able to press m for them team wounding. So in a way buffing horses would nerf them.

What the fuck kind of backwards thinking is this shit.

Go sit in a corner.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Peasant_Woman on January 24, 2012, 01:29:10 am
Go back to that brief period of horsebumps oneshotting people? Cav just riding through a team of people and getting multiple kills with just wasd? I think we're ok actually.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Christo on January 24, 2012, 01:30:19 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Meow on January 24, 2012, 01:35:28 am
Well after observing cav for a while i would say Super Mario got it about right and jumping on people's head with your horse should instantly crush them.

Also i feel like a warhorse hitting me at about 1 km/h is not doing enough damage through my 58 Body armor.
I would like to lose more than just 2-5% at spawn.

Can we please fix this?
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Lord_Virus on January 24, 2012, 01:35:48 am
im not saying a huge increase but a min of 1 point of damage
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Earthdforce on January 24, 2012, 01:37:09 am
Well after observing cav for a while i would say Super Mario got it about right and jumping on people's head with your horse should instantly crush them.

Can we please fix this?
New sig, and I approve this message.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 24, 2012, 01:42:30 am
im not saying a huge increase but a min of 1 point of damage

This would make it literally impossible to slow down cav if they did a minimum of 1 point of damage.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 24, 2012, 01:52:41 am
I think c-rpg has a pretty good mix of native and realism when it comes to horse bumping.  Native is ridiculous how you basically do no damage when you horse bump (not to mention how lame it is to be full speed gallop and come to a dead stop when you hit a teammate).  But to an un-armored person, a horse running you over would most likely kill you (depending on where the hooves landed). 

Also, when a horse dies in c-rpg it "disappears" from existence (besides the graphic).  In real life just because you killed a horse running full speed at you doesn't mean you're in the clear.  That rag doll body is now flying at you. 
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Thanatos on January 24, 2012, 01:58:08 am
Cavalry should instant kill you or take a lot of health if it runs you over while your down on the ground.. Being trampled by a 1,000+ pound (453.59+ Kg for you Europeans) horse can be very deadly.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Ujin on January 24, 2012, 02:07:35 am
Being a heavy cavalry myself, i think you are insane.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Lord_Virus on January 24, 2012, 02:09:25 am
its when i die from an ally cav running me over and the enemy gets a free shot that pisses me off. I dont have a problem when i get killed by an enemy cav.

But since ally cav have basicly nohing to lose if they horse bump you, why would they try and get an easy kill.

Just hate being more afraid of my own cav than the enemys cav!!!!!!!
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Torben on January 24, 2012, 02:13:11 am
Being heavily insane,  I think you are cavalry
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Leshma on January 24, 2012, 02:13:52 am
Cavalry should instant kill you or take a lot of health if it runs you over while your down on the ground.. Being trampled by a 1,000+ pound (453.59+ Kg for you Europeans) horse can be very deadly.

I like how this forum went to shit and how all those realism discussions somehow managed to end up everywhere except where they belong.

Seems to me that Kalam lost interest in this mod...
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 24, 2012, 02:19:34 am
Cavalry should instant kill you or take a lot of health if it runs you over while your down on the ground.. Being trampled by a 1,000+ pound (453.59+ Kg for you Europeans) horse can be very deadly.

yes that's realistic, but would kill the game balance of the mod.  i think the big problem is that weapons aren't considered "solid" objects in the game.  If I'm not moving and my pike is not being thrusted forward, I would still do massive amounts of damage to a horse who ran into it.  But in c-rpg, you have to thrust to do damage.  I think if weapons were solid objects, then you could maybe try to implement something like more damage from horses running you over (and horses bodies being deadly if they fly at you). 

Most of the time, a "realistic" game, would never work for balance.  And if it did, like in some FPS games, it would be the middle ages equivalent of of FPS games where people camp in bushes for 15 minutes a round. 

Some "realistic elements" are very nice, but in reality this is an action game, not a realism mod. 
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Overdriven on January 24, 2012, 02:35:31 am
 I read the title of the thread and came prepared in my head with arguments for why it shouldn't be nerfed. I never expected this. Even I think its fine.

When my charging courser currently does more damage with a bump than my bow then there is definitely nothing  wrong
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: bonekuukkeli on January 24, 2012, 08:29:02 am
I'm losing about 50% hp from destrier bump atm (light armour), so if something.... reduce it. Currently HA is doing more damage by bumping enemy than shooting.

So... keep it way that you actually need to hit with weapon while passing by, not just run through. Sure it would be easier then: Try to lance --> missed ---> kill with bump. Well it's like this already :)
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Thanatos on January 24, 2012, 08:36:38 am
Add camels..
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Liveon on January 24, 2012, 08:45:21 am
 Well...my compromise proposal: to eliminate  bumping and add rocket launcher from ass-horses.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: ToxicKilla on January 24, 2012, 08:47:19 am
Add camels..
This.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: polkafranzi on January 24, 2012, 09:13:17 am
I'm losing about 50% hp from destrier bump atm (light armour), so if something.... reduce it. Currently HA is doing more damage by bumping enemy than shooting.

cool story bro
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Siiem on January 24, 2012, 09:21:56 am
:lol:

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Gristle on January 24, 2012, 09:28:30 am
Well after observing cav for a while i would say Super Mario got it about right and jumping on people's head with your horse should instantly crush them.

Yes, Nintendo influences is what this mod definitely needs. Personally, I think all melee weapons should fire ranged energy beams when swung, as long as the wielder is at full health. The strength of the beam should still count as a melee attack as far as game stats are concerned (so it's still Power Strike instead of Power Draw for example). I think this would be very fair. If anything needs a buff, it's melee fighters.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 24, 2012, 09:49:43 am
When my charging courser currently does more damage with a bump than my bow then there is definitely nothing  wrong
lol, thats true! If someone charges with high speed it currently does a lot more damage than cute HA piekser (couldn't find any translation, leo says: pricks :P).
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Tennenoth on January 24, 2012, 10:04:27 am
Watched an Arabian walk into a plate guy yesterday and kill him. Granted the plate guy would probably have been on low health but it looked ridiculous the way it just sort of "wandered over and headbutt him in slow motion".

Had 60% hp removed by a friendly horse bump from Ujin yesterday, revenge teamshot him (accidentally, he ran right across in front of me as I fired, i'm sure he remembers the epic headshot a while back! ;)) for 40% (he was at full charge too) His horsebump on me was an accident as well, I stupidly tried to avoid him and ended up running into him.

Horse archers do more damage bumping me than shooting me, granted, but that doesn't mean that horse bump should be increased. I've already rage quit for a week or so because of cavalry bumps. (Sneeze-rage ftl)
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: dodnet on January 24, 2012, 10:26:20 am
Yeah increase it to 100 damage at least. I buy me 2 shields (front and back), a fat horse and play tank - no need for weapon anymore  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Kafein on January 24, 2012, 11:55:46 am
:lol: :lol:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I think our own little discussion makes more sense than the OP :mrgreen:
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Radament on January 24, 2012, 01:42:32 pm
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
8-) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8-)
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Vibe on January 24, 2012, 01:59:30 pm
TUT TUT

DEAR INTERNET FRIENDS

I PROPOSE A BUFF TO 2H DAMAGE OH LETS SAY ABOUT 650% DAMAGE INCREASE

IT WILL BE BALANCED BECAUSE I CAN ONESHOT MY TEAM MATES AS WELL

AND THEN THEY CAN USE THE REPORT TEAM WOUNDING FUNCTION ON ME AND KICK ME OFF THE SERVER

SO IN THE END IT'S ALL FINE
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Taser on January 24, 2012, 02:03:59 pm
TUT TUT

DEAR INTERNET FRIENDS

I PROPOSE A BUFF TO 2H DAMAGE OH LETS SAY ABOUT 650% DAMAGE INCREASE

IT WILL BE BALANCED BECAUSE I CAN ONESHOT MY TEAM MATES AS WELL

AND THEN THEY CAN USE THE REPORT TEAM WOUNDING FUNCTION ON ME AND KICK ME OFF THE SERVER

SO IN THE END IT'S ALL FINE

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Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: B3RS3RK on January 24, 2012, 02:06:48 pm
TUT TUT

DEAR INTERNET FRIENDS

I PROPOSE A BUFF TO 2H DAMAGE OH LETS SAY ABOUT 650% DAMAGE INCREASE

IT WILL BE BALANCED BECAUSE I CAN ONESHOT MY TEAM MATES AS WELL

AND THEN THEY CAN USE THE REPORT TEAM WOUNDING FUNCTION ON ME AND KICK ME OFF THE SERVER

SO IN THE END IT'S ALL FINE

Oh you! :lol:
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Trikipum on January 24, 2012, 02:53:02 pm
I think c-rpg has a pretty good mix of native and realism when it comes to horse bumping.  Native is ridiculous how you basically do no damage when you horse bump (not to mention how lame it is to be full speed gallop and come to a dead stop when you hit a teammate).  But to an un-armored person, a horse running you over would most likely kill you (depending on where the hooves landed). 

Also, when a horse dies in c-rpg it "disappears" from existence (besides the graphic).  In real life just because you killed a horse running full speed at you doesn't mean you're in the clear.  That rag doll body is now flying at you.
Sorry but that is non sense. If a horse hits you, it doesnt matter if you wear armor or not. The energy will be transferred to your body, no matter if it s a super uber plate armor. Indeed a horse bump is kinda like a hit from a 500kg blunt weapon. Its lame that a horse removes 50%hp from an unarmored guy and just scratchs an armored guy.
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: _Tak_ on January 24, 2012, 06:11:10 pm
bump from a giant elephant = 1 hit kill, like the one from LOTR
Title: Re: cav Bumping
Post by: Toodles on January 24, 2012, 06:23:23 pm
On another note it would be quite nice to have the horse bounding box about the size of the actual horse rather than it's obese equivalent.