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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Rogue_Eagle on January 16, 2012, 09:36:55 am
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despite having MW rus bow etc. and Good balance of PD and weapon mastery points in bow, my reticule still goes way too big too soon. If we're supposed to hit heads, at least take the random factor out of archery and revert it back to native style archery so we can actually hit where we aim. The random factor is too large for the reduction in damage.
/2c from frustrated archer who has endured far too many nerfs.
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and you'd do the same thing if archery got buffed.
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revert it back to native style archery
:lol:
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I just went back onto my archery alt ofter what feels like forever and beaned 3 dudes in the head with 250 ping in under min, at range with a Long Bow with 1 quiver of bodkins, I only fired 5 shots... I've got 140 wpf 21/15 7 PD and the rest of the build is built like a 2her.
Seems fine. The only thing I've never understood is why PD gives a dmg bonus. Surely it just gives you the ability to actualy use the weapon its self.
It would be interesting to see what happens if you pull the PD bonus completely and just jack up the dmg a bit.
I think the Rus needed to loose some power, it made the long bow redundant. NOW ITS BACK BABY! SHIT AS IT EVER WAS~!~
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whiners won.
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Lets all make 1 min of silence for the people who where depending on spraying and praying 2 shotting balanced build with body shot from their high lvl archer fairy toon.
Without ladders an headshots these people will now have a hard time an be forced to adapt.....
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PS: Jambi seems to do just fine give it sometime an get used to it before creating threads screaming an kicking trying to revert the changes
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what is that modification you did there with the arrows? is that allowed? its looks like when ppl in CS1.4 1.5 they managed to edit the txture of the dudes so they could see them perfectly and shoot them more easly, just sayin :) (And if that is the final_boss modification, it sucks a lot) Barbie arrows? wtf guys..
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Bright blue arrows are probably far easier to see. Makes dodging arrows and seeing where your arrows land easier. You could also make every single weapon very bright blue or green so that you can see them better. It wouldn't even be hard to make textures single color.
As far as I know none of this stuff is considered cheating by the game. Personally I prefer the game looking like I'm swinging a metal weapon instead of like I'm swinging a plastic weapon.
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Bright blue arrows are probably far easier to see. Makes dodging arrows and seeing where your arrows land easier. You could also make every single weapon very bright blue or green so that you can see them better.
As far as I know none of this stuff is considered cheating by the game.
since you can't control it, its not banable, and since he showed the screenshot he his responsable for his actions, otherwise i would ban the guy lol. For me its cheating the game. And for the record, I dont know the guy, I dont hate the guy, just saying, you know.
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since you can't control it, its not banable, and since he showed the screenshot he his responsable for his actions, otherwise i would ban the guy lol. For me its cheating the game.
Yeah, sure, you can consider it cheating. Any built in anti-cheat won't notice it. It'd probably be possible to make a program to check the file checksums to see that every single one is unmodified, but I don't know if that's worth it. Besides there are many other things in the game you could well consider cheating too, like disabling particle effects removing fog as far as I know.
I also really doubt it gives that huge bonus. If all the player models were yellow I'd be a bit concerned :D
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Yeah, sure, you can consider it cheating. Any built in anti-cheat won't notice it. It'd probably be possible to make a program to check the file checksums to see that every single one is unmodified, but I don't know if that's worth it. Besides there are many other things in the game you could well consider cheating too, like disabling particle effects removing fog as far as I know.
I also really doubt it gives that huge bonus. If all the player models were yellow I'd be a bit concerned :D
Do you know why the top high class party games with huge amounts of money are made in lan places? Cuz of this things. Ppl can gather in your pc and watch how you play.. But since this is internet...
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Changing in game textures like that is a little bogus, IMO. Like removing bushes or making scene objects invisible.
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you cry for a nerf, i sigh because i see a buff
when i go round on horseback on a champion large warhorse a blue churburg cuirass and a blue great helmet, that i want to approach an archer i just get ONE SHOT.
they just stand there, watch me approach and when i uncover from my shield, boom headshot.
You know how much i pay for that equipment to get one shot by one shitty piece of arrow? I'm now avoding archers
so seriously screw you with your F****** whine
(rage mod off)
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you cry for a nerf, i sigh because i see a buff
when i go round on horseback on a champion large warhorse a blue churburg cuirass and a blue great helmet, that i want to approach an archer i just get ONE SHOT.
they just stand there, watch me approach and when i uncover from my shield, boom headshot.
You know how much i pay for that equipment to get one shot by one shitty piece of arrow? I'm now avoding archers
so seriously screw you with your F****** whine
(rage mod off)
Most archers could one shot by hitting the head even before this patch.
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truely not as much, I'v just had 3 rounds in a row where i got one shot by an arrow
and still a headshot wouldnt always result in an instant punishement for daring going near to an archer
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truely not as much, I'v just had 3 rounds in a row where i got one shot by an arrow
and still a headshot wouldnt always result in an instant punishement for daring going near to an archer
I played cav myself today and I didn't even lose half my hp to incoming arrows or bolts, although I have only 1 Ironflesh, only 15 str and only tuninc over mail.
You sure someone didn't throw his mega epic 2h sword into you? :D
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since when do 2h sword throw arrows? derp
you probably zoomed around on the lighter horses...
anyways, my post was more a : dont complain you'v got a nice plus there
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truely not as much, I'v just had 3 rounds in a row where i got one shot by an arrow
and still a headshot wouldnt always result in an instant punishement for daring going near to an archer
Now,
ranged weapons deal more damage to the head and less to all other bodyparts.
Now it is;
53% to legs | 67% to body | 263% to head
Before the patch it was;
80% to legs | 100% to body | 210% to head
I will stop playing as an archer untill the devs remove this crappy damage system again.
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I will stop playing as an archer untill the devs remove this crappy damage system
Yeah its total crap you have to have skill/aim now as an archer an not just spray n pray anymore... fuuuu devs
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I guess in 6 months from now, every time you will get hit by an arrow a little window pops up telling you
"Oh snap ! you got hit by an arrow. Do you want to allow the arrow to hit you ?"
letting you either select "allow the hit", "dont allow the hit" or "reflect damage to shooter with a 10000% scale". And Im pretty sure even then melees would still complain ...
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Facial expression of the average melee gayalot that gets hit by ranged attack, before he runs to his mommy ( devs ) crying for nerf.
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Get some ironflesh and you can survive MW Arbalest with MW bolts to the chest, while stark naked, at short range. lal.
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Yeah its total crap you have to have skill/aim now as an archer an not just spray n pray anymore... fuuuu devs
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I was actually getting at how there is no more skill than before because for half the bows the arrow still flies off in a random direction from the crosshair, making it more luck and a gamble when you hit someones head at anything other than point blank range.
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And for the record, playing archery from lvl 0 to lvl 29 is useless, i mean YOU CANT AIM. 95% arrows are randomly scattered over the 5cm wide pointer.. and even if that 5% hit the guy, you cant kill him, even less now. Nice devs. You destroyed archery. Some guys may be happy.
So, you only play archery if you are lvl 31, or 30. But 152 vs 163 wpf makes the diference. You point to, and you get 50% of accuracy. Now you guys nerfed the body dmg. Its ok as i told you i aim for the head, well you cant aim for the head in almost 30levels. And that means you cant play archery till then.
1. Archers need to loom 2 items to have MW weapon. On despite of some other classes. So we need 6 looms or 6 generations to have MW, on despite of 2h, 1h(shield is not a weapon), and polearms, that only have to loom 3 times to get ther weapon ready. That means you cant play for 29+29+29+29+29+29= 174 levels on wich you CANT AIM HAHAHA
2. Archers need to get lvl 30-31 to aim, and even there, we have 50% accuary.
3. Archers always get oneshot from ANYONE out there, you know why? because if you use more than 7kg armor, your wpf/accuracy decreases... we practice naked? :S
4. Archers got their ladders removed, well since we couldnt take ladders with us, it relied on 2h guys, the only guys that have free spots on inventory. (but then, this guys complain about archers, no sense). Dont want archers on their roof? put ladders yourself and let your archers get to a roof. Its a war game, strategy is a must. Insted of whinning devs.
5. Archers are peasants but with bows. So its the less OP class. And please dont discuss this. We have 0 chance in melee fights. 0 wpf cuz we need it to try to aim remember that 95% of accuracy? and the 50% accuracy? Okay... So if we kill in melee, its because the other guy has no life, or either he is a nup.
And even if you manage to headshot a guy, some will rage and say archery is OP. And guys you cant treat 3 classes in the same way, Bows xbows and trowing are 3 diferent ways of fighting. Way different.
So devs, dont get fooled by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Hysteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Hysteria) . Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness). Please. Again PLEASE.
ty for listenin
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Archery finally gets interesting...:-)
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1. Archers need to loom 2 items to have MW weapon. On despite of some other classes. So we need 6 looms or 6 generations to have MW, on despite of 2h, 1h(shield is not a weapon), and polearms, that only have to loom 3 times to get ther weapon ready. That means you cant play for 29+29+29+29+29+29= 174 levels on wich you CANT AIM HAHAHA
Archers also get double benefit from looming. You could argue bows are or aren't balanced with this in mind, but regardless of if they are, it isn't that major difference anyway.
3. Archers always get oneshot from ANYONE out there, you know why? because if you use more than 7kg armor, your wpf/accuracy decreases... we practice naked? :S
Level 30 with 21 strength is 56hp. ANYONE won't oneshot you. 21 ps, 100 wpf, 33c attack (+3 Italian sword) for example oneshots 10 armor only with headshot or held down strike. Also unlike your arrows that has to be done from melee range.
4. Archers got their ladders removed, well since we couldnt take ladders with us, it relied on 2h guys, the only guys that have free spots on inventory. (but then, this guys complain about archers, no sense). Dont want archers on their roof? put ladders yourself and let your archers get to a roof. Its a war game, strategy is a must. Insted of whinning devs.
So it's strategy to pick up a ladder to spare slots and immediately plant it so archers can camp on roof for the whole round? Yes, very high level strategy and it's an outrage they removed it. Just kidding. I used to carry a ladder on both 2h and 1h + shield build just to get my team my old friendchers to better positions. There was no real tactic or strategy behind it. It was just an obvious move I'm surprised more people didn't do. If there was more weight on positioning ladders it'd be more interesting, but since they can be destroyed so easily you don't even need to place them well or defend them - archers can just sit on top of their camp roof and destroy ladders if anyone tries to plant new ones.
5. Archers are peasants but with bows. So its the less OP class. And please dont discuss this. We have 0 chance in melee fights. 0 wpf cuz we need it to try to aim remember that 95% of accuracy? and the 50% accuracy? Okay... So if we kill in melee, its because the other guy has no life, or either he is a nup.
0 chance in melee fights? You are probably just terrible. Sure, archers are at disadvantange at melee against melee builds - that's just natural - but a couple of points of power strike and a decent 1 slot weapon is definitely more than 0% chance to win even against decent player. Sure though, you are a peasant in melee if you pick 0 ps etc, but that is in no way forced.
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I play a 2hander 95% of the time and I think this change surely wasn't needed. Archers were only really good after heirlooming both their bow and arrows. First generation archers under level 30 already had a very hard time to get some kills. Removing ladders was enough. Please revert the damage change or give archers more accuracy.
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Im more intresting in this, if we have now 67% dmg, and if it is rain so we have some penalty, in some guides it says 25% dmg penalty when it is rain, so if it is rain i have only 52% dmg with my arbalest? then what the point for me to take it ? and pay so high repairs? when i can make more dmg with 1h simple hit?
And about arbalest- it is weapon for snipers, to shoot at long distance, it is just impossible to aim in head even with 170 wpf, if target is far from you )
so if distance is big we anyway needed 2 shoots, now we need 3- so to kill 1 enemy ranged i need 3 bolts, from my 13 bolts, and it is even worse if it is rain) just lol gj devs)
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Hahahaha well let me see.
Archers also get double benefit from looming. You could argue bows are or aren't balanced with this in mind, but regardless of if they are, it isn't that major difference anyway.
Benefit what? read what i said again mate. And ty for reading, if you did.
Level 30 with 21 strength is 56hp. ANYONE won't oneshot you. 21 ps, 100 wpf, 33c attack (+3 Italian sword) for example oneshots 10 armor only with headshot or held down strike. Also unlike your arrows that has to be done from melee range.
Archers cant use more than 15str or 18str. If you do so, you are a nap. And belive me, I get oneshot EVERYTIME. Try it.
So it's strategy to pick up a ladder to spare slots and immediately plant it so archers can camp on roof for the whole round? Yes, very high level strategy and it's an outrage they removed it. Just kidding. I used to carry a ladder on both 2h and 1h + shield build just to get my team friendly archers to better positions. There was no real tactic or strategy behind it. It was just an obvious move I'm surprised more people didn't do. If there was more weight on positioning ladders it'd be more interesting, but since they can be destroyed so easily you don't even need to place them well or defend them - archers can just sit on top of their camp roof and destroy ladders if anyone tries to plant new ones.
Of course placing a ladder is strategy, what did you smoke my friend?. You need me to draw it on a sheet of paper?
0 chance in melee fights? You are probably just terrible. Sure, archers are at disadvantange at melee against melee builds - that's just natural - but a couple of points of power strike and a decent 1 slot weapon is definitely more than 0% chance to win even against decent player. Sure though, you are a peasant in melee if you pick 0 ps etc, but that is in no way forced.
Well I wasnt terrible with 2h. Power strike cant use it, IF YOU WANT TO AIM 50% ONLY WHEN YOU BECOME LVL 31, YOU MUST HAVE 163 WPF WITH 7 WM AND YOU CAN GET YOUR HALF OF THE SHOOTS STABLE. And I need the 7ath (like almost every class, despite i wear less than 7kg thats why i run like flash) to at least, avoid cav couchs from guess where.. BEHIND HJAHHA. But since i use to spray arrows i need the 2 slots of them, that only gives me 0slot weapon to carry. And I tell you again my friend. Try it.
And to finish, please try it.
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Elmokki rly, dont say crap here, just go make archer alt, and put here screen how amaizing and easy they are with you top scoreboard, or you have rly good k/d)) you play shielder - it is also not so hard, just blocked and know when to hit and a bit feint) and now when you can be not afraid of ranged you can just run forward and bah swing and it is all)
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Now,
ranged weapons deal more damage to the head and less to all other bodyparts.
Now it is;
53% to legs | 67% to body | 263% to head
Before the patch it was;
80% to legs | 100% to body | 210% to head
I will stop playing as an archer untill the devs remove this crappy damage system again.
50% to legs | 100% to body | 150% to head would seem some values to try.
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50% to legs | 100% to body | 150% to head would seem some values to try.
2 nerfs and 1 buff, wow, after a macronerf. :/
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2 nerfs and 1 buff, wow, after a macronerf. :/
old and new head bonus % is ridiculous IMO. Having a tartar/horn bow 1 hit kill through 50+ head armor kinda makes you wonder why even wear a helmet as it's useless against something that is very common. 1 hit on upper armored helmets should be reserved for only strength archers, throwers IMO not EVERY archer, thrower. I used to be a thrower/melee hybrid and it was ridiculous how many 1 hit kill headshots I got just using war darts and 5PT. Helmet armor was nearly irrelevant concerning ranged. I can only imagine how much worse it is now with the further increased bonus.