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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: BlackMilk on January 11, 2012, 07:44:10 pm

Title: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: BlackMilk on January 11, 2012, 07:44:10 pm
its ridicolouss. You cant counter it anyhow really apart from go left swing right and that doesnt work against a fast 1hander at all. It sometimes worked when rightswing was viable, but its pretty much unbeatable now (atleast for me). You can counter hiltslashing properly, but you cant counter this technique that almost every single 1hander is using lately. they block your first hit and maybe the second to get in range and then start to spam left swings. If you try to counter it you die/get hit another time due to the (supergay) delay on the beginning of the right swing. opinions?
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Vodner on January 11, 2012, 08:11:01 pm
1h double leftswings are still counterable, and aren't really unbalanced at all. The pole/2h rightswing changes should be reverted, however.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Tot. on January 11, 2012, 08:11:26 pm
Huh? Both polearm left swing and stab will connect way faster than second lefty from the 1h. Why would you even try to do the right swing against someone who's way to your left?
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:16:13 pm
I've noticed that I'm able to spam lots of people with it now since they try to do a rightslash. But like Tot said, that's the wrong move. Still can't spam if someone thrusts or does a left swing.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Konrax on January 11, 2012, 08:17:31 pm
Yip pretty much what above posters said, polearm stab is significantly faster then 1h left swing.

And it gets a stun too.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Ujin on January 11, 2012, 08:17:49 pm
Quote from: Tot. on January 11, 2012, 08:11:26 pm
Huh?
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:18:31 pm
Imo the only thing that can do this really effectively, is the leet spammitar, with it's buggy early attack.

Against other 'common' onehanders, I had no such a problem, this was the only weapon I noticed people use for it reliably.

Might be wrong though, but that's what I've experienced.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:20:10 pm
You are wrong, yes. Scimitars don't have any earlier attacks than other 1handers.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:21:13 pm
Not this again.

Of course I'm always wrong, and Mr. Xant knows everything better.

Not going into a debate if possible.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Tot. on January 11, 2012, 08:22:59 pm
If anything I'd say that, say, liuyedao would be the prime suspect of being able to actually able to outspam slow polearms swings. But certainly not scimi.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:24:03 pm
Quote from: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:21:13 pm
Not this again.

Of course I'm always wrong, and Mr. Xant knows everything better.

Not going into a debate.

Glad you've learnt your lesson  :wink:
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:25:10 pm
GTFO.

 :lol:

With that attitude.

I have my proof, but it wouldn't matter to you anyway,

Because you know it sooo much better.

Going into a debate with ignorant people isn't worth my time.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: MrShine on January 11, 2012, 08:26:43 pm
ITT: Christo and Blackmilk are on drugz
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: BlackMilk on January 11, 2012, 08:28:06 pm
Quote from: Vodner on January 11, 2012, 08:11:01 pm
1h double leftswings are still counterable
how? please tell me. Tried to stab (used a warspear) and it didn't work really. It was ok sometimes (3 out of 10 cases maybe) but its not a real counter that you can rely on  imo
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:29:20 pm
Quote from: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:25:10 pm
GTFO.

 :lol:

With that attitude.

I have my proof, but it wouldn't matter to you anyway,

Because you know it sooo much better.

Going into a debate with ignorant people isn't worth my time.

You don't have any proof. And yes, I know so much better, as is obvious. I could be mean and let you embarrass yourself by asking for your proof but I'll just tell you right away:

Scimitar doesn't hit any sooner than other 1h. Because of the curved model, it hits before it's own model at the end. See, the scimitar is curved, but the actual hit detection uses a straight sword.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:31:08 pm
BTW: That's exactly I am talking about, dummy.

It's still an Early hit, you just see things from a diferent perspective.

You see the curved blade's end, but the straight part hits you earlier, hence; An earlier attack.


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Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:33:16 pm
It's an early hit for its own model, but not an earlier hit compared to rest of 1h, which hit at the same time as the elite scimi does.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:34:03 pm
Dude, why the hell are you nitpicking on things I didn't even say?

Pathetic.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:35:45 pm
You said this, didn't you? Elite scimitar (normal is even more "bugged") hits earlier than the elite scimitar model does. But not any earlier than any other 1h, so why would it be any better at the spamming than anything else?

Quote from: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:18:31 pm
Imo the only thing that can do this really effectively, is the leet spammitar, with it's buggy early attack.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:37:00 pm
Yes, but I didn't mention that because it's a weapon that hits early not mechanics wise, but model wise.

It's because it makes you SEE, that it hits later, but it's used as a straight blade ingame.

You love nitpicking right?
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:39:03 pm
How would that make it unbeatable? Doesn't matter what you see or don't see, if you block once then attack back it doesn't matter how early the model does or doesn't hit.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:40:27 pm
I didn't say that it's unbeatable.

Stop making up facts, and stop making up bullshit that I didn't even say.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:42:53 pm
Simple picture time for Christo.

BlackMilk starts a thread, right? It's about 1h left swing being broken because you can't do anything against the spam. Among other things he says this:

Quote from: BlackMilk on January 11, 2012, 07:44:10 pm
its pretty much unbeatable now

Here's what Christo(that would be you) replies:

Quote from: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:18:31 pm
Imo the only thing that can do this really effectively, is the leet spammitar, with it's buggy early attack.

Let me know if you need any more help connecting the dots.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:44:16 pm
After re-reading the topic, I admit, yes. I re-edit my post, talking only for myself.

Still, you are nitpicking, and talking bullshit. I didn't say that scimitar is unbeatable.

Are you bored or something?
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: BlackMilk on January 11, 2012, 08:45:42 pm
My mistake there. Forgot to add "for me". :D
Maybe someone should move this to Beginners Guides, because I seriously have no idea what to do against it apart from blocking multiple times which cant be the right thing really.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:45:53 pm
Quote from: Christo on January 11, 2012, 08:44:16 pm
After re-reading the topic, I admit, yes. I re-edit my post, talking only for myself.

Still, you are nitpicking, I didn't say that scimitar is unbeatable.

Are you bored or something?

It still doesn't make any more sense, you know. Curved model doesn't help in spamming, you still just hit back like you would otherwise. Now, the speed of the scimitar helps a bit, for sure.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Casimir on January 11, 2012, 08:48:12 pm
The combination of the two factors is what makes the Scimi a pain to fight.  But no weapon is unbeatable, some just easier than others.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 08:49:42 pm
Quote from: Casimir on January 11, 2012, 08:48:12 pm
The combination of the two factors is what makes the Scimi a pain to fight.  But no weapon is unbeatable, some just easier than others.

No doubt, the curve helps with feints and such. Not what the thread is about though. In what BlackMilk is talking about, only speed of the 1h matters.
Title: Re: Fix 1h left swing
Post by: BlackMilk on January 11, 2012, 09:05:52 pm
Ok guys I found my way to counter this (atleast partially). Thanks for the help tho..err nevermind. Thank you Xant for proving me wrong lol.