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Title: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Raubgraf on January 04, 2012, 04:37:44 pm
Hi, I'm planning a lance cav and was wondering which lance to choose.

I thought normal Lance would be better than Heavy Lance, as it has 2+ on pierce damage and is significantly faster. But every good lance cav seems to use the Heavy Lance, is it the +10 weapon length that makes such a difference?
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on January 04, 2012, 04:53:45 pm
length is everything (thats what she said).

Superior damage and speed of the lance will be useless when you get hit first by a heavy lance. And at that speed, your going down
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 04, 2012, 04:58:18 pm
Heavy lance is best lance.  I wouldn't consider using a lance because if you end up going head to head vs an equally matched opponent with a heavy lance, chances are you're going to lose because of the length. 

Also since they changed the lance radius to about 45 degrees in front of your horse, having less length can really hurt you.  Lots of 2h swords can outreach you when they stab because you have to basically ride directly into them (and you can't peel off at the last second like you used to be able to do and create some separation between your horses head and the enemy.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on January 04, 2012, 05:39:33 pm
Heavy lance, for above reasons
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on January 04, 2012, 05:44:15 pm
I would recommend the heavy lance.

Ive been using the lance and any skilled cav with a heavy lance tops you every time if he doesnt kill you your horse is sure to feel the pain, length is everything for cav, (but dont use the jousting lance)
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Raubgraf on January 04, 2012, 06:47:38 pm
Great, convincing arguments. Thanks
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Kabookie on January 04, 2012, 07:35:37 pm
Length is best.
Take note though, the MW warspear has 1 more point in pierce damage than my MW heavy lance! Good for up close encounters.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Senni__Ti on January 05, 2012, 02:34:15 am
Depends on your playstyle, saw a couple of GK members use a light lance to great success with a highly maneauverable horse.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 20, 2012, 09:31:12 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on January 04, 2012, 04:58:18 pm
Heavy lance is best lance.  I wouldn't consider using a lance because if you end up going head to head vs an equally matched opponent with a heavy lance, chances are you're going to lose because of the length. 

Also since they changed the lance radius to about 45 degrees in front of your horse, having less length can really hurt you.  Lots of 2h swords can outreach you when they stab because you have to basically ride directly into them (and you can't peel off at the last second like you used to be able to do and create some separation between your horses head and the enemy.

Sorry for necro'ing this thread...

Oh how the mighty (heavy lance) have fallen...

After using it for a couple weeks after the damage nerf to the heavy lance I finally traded for a MW lance (traded my MW Heavy Lance and +1 wisby gauntlets for a MW lance).

I think it's far superior now to the heavy lance, I generally try to avoid head on 1v1'ing other cavalry unless I see they have a lance as well, or unless I'm able to juke or change speeds to throw them off.

it's still great versus other cav, just not head on, and I think it's superior vs infantry due to the 10 more speed, and the 31p (compared to 26p on a MW heavy lance).

I also noticed in strat battles the Heavy Lance is fucking weak as shit at 23p (unless you and another cav are going head on) and the lance is a much better option at 28p default.

I'd suggest people ditch their heavy lance for a regular lance or grab a great lance (seriously they're really good for strafing infantry lines in strat)
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: polkafranzi on December 20, 2012, 09:35:51 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on December 20, 2012, 09:31:12 pm
I also noticed in strat battles the Heavy Lance is fucking weak as shit

Archers don't even bother to jump out of way of it's couch anymore, does like 30% dmg  :lol:

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Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: pepejul on December 20, 2012, 09:38:02 pm
I prefer lance.... but i m not cav =)  :?
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Lannistark on December 20, 2012, 09:39:40 pm
Quote from: Lactose_the_intolerant on January 04, 2012, 04:53:45 pm
Superior damage and speed of the lance will be useless when you get hit first by a heavy lance. And at that speed, your going down

Forget about this.

Quote from: Lactose_the_intolerant on January 04, 2012, 04:53:45 pm
length is everything (thats what she said).

That's all you need to hear.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: donib on December 20, 2012, 09:40:28 pm
Ive always been using the regular lance, and ive been pretty effective with it
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: BlueKnight on December 20, 2012, 09:40:38 pm
Due to bigger speed of lance (+for lance) and way of holding lances which gives you ~7 length difference (+ to heavy lance), lance is better.
It is easier to time a hit with a lance (especially in 1vs1), you have vast more damage, it is cheaper and when you are dismounted, it ain't shit.

Lance for surprise-rise2012. 2012 is not over yet, we still have 1 day to choose winner before world ends.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 20, 2012, 09:47:57 pm
Quote from: BlueKnight on December 20, 2012, 09:40:38 pm
Due to bigger speed of lance (+for lance) and way of holding lances which gives you ~7 length difference (+ to heavy lance), lance is better.
It is easier to time a hit with a lance (especially in 1vs1), you have vast more damage, it is cheaper and when you are dismounted, it ain't shit.

Lance for surprise-rise2012. 2012 is not over yet, we still have 1 day to choose winner before world ends.

I've been noticing a lot more cavalry lancers using the regular lance now from horseback.  Even a non-loomed lance is arguably better than a MW Heavy Lance.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: Dach on December 20, 2012, 09:50:01 pm
Light lance, cheap, good damage, 91 speed, very good on the ground. (I'm using a rouncey so... happen often...  :P)
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 20, 2012, 09:53:14 pm
Quote from: BlueKnight on December 20, 2012, 09:40:38 pm
Due to bigger speed of lance (+for lance) and way of holding lances which gives you ~7 length difference (+ to heavy lance), lance is better.
It is easier to time a hit with a lance (especially in 1vs1), you have vast more damage, it is cheaper and when you are dismounted, it ain't shit.

Lance for surprise-rise2012. 2012 is not over yet, we still have 1 day to choose winner before world ends.

The slower the lance is the more damage it does, so the first part isn't necessarily true.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: BlueKnight on December 20, 2012, 09:56:37 pm
Quote from: oprah_winfrey on December 20, 2012, 09:53:14 pm
The slower the lance is the more damage it does, so the first part isn't necessarily true.
It truly is

EDIT: Also the speed part was about the timing in 1vs1 (cav or inf) not in case of damage. As h.lancer you must predict and release attack a lot earlier than lancer who gets his max reach faster so he can release the lance late, waiting for best moment. All the accelerating and braking and turning and.... etc. has influence on who hits first. With normal lance it is also easier to fight against 1h-shield-cav, because you don't need full speed to actually hurt his horse and you can do that when moving slowly so with a lot more maneuverability that allows you to avoid dangerous rear ups.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 20, 2012, 10:01:21 pm
Quote from: BlueKnight on December 20, 2012, 09:56:37 pm
It truly is

Not quite sure what you mean by that, also you hold both lances the same way, so the heavy lance is 10 length longer.
Title: Re: Lance vs. Heavy Lance for Cav
Post by: BlueKnight on December 20, 2012, 10:06:29 pm
Quote from: oprah_winfrey on December 20, 2012, 10:01:21 pm
Not quite sure what you mean by that, also you hold both lances the same way, so the heavy lance is 10 length longer.
~ 2/3 of the lance is in front of the hand and rest is behind. The longer pole the more wasted length (stab when holding in 1 hand).


EDIT: found it in Warband manual that sb posted long time ago and there was something wrong with ranged speed bonuses etc. but nvm. http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/48700/PDX5505US_Warband_Manual_US.pdf?t=1271189104

"Warband uses a physics model which takes into account the speed and direction of your weapon, as well as the speed and direction of your opponent when calculating damage. The effect of this calculation will be reported to you as a speed bonus."

So was it ever explained on forums how melee speed bonus works? I would appreciate any info.