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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Nihtgenga on January 03, 2012, 11:59:47 am
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Its just ridiculous to be stabbed by a 2 m weapon from a 2 feet distance... : )
I mean we have it for 2h and swingable polearms that you cant hit somebody if your to close...
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Fail troll.
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But lances/spears glance too if you don't spinthrust them, just like 2h and swingable polearms...
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But lances/spears glance too if you don't spinthrust them, just like 2h and swingable polearms...
mh...never glance of me it seems. but I am gonna pay attention to that
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Minus-vote for using "Discuss" instead of writing a post that provokes replies.
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Have you even played with spears? :P Most unappreciated weapons in the game
Lances I admit are annoying but if a 2h can do a 2 inch stab overhead I have no issue with lances being used at half the range, just assume the lancer moved the polearm further along his arm :P
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Minus-vote for using "Discuss" instead of writing a post that provokes replies.
read first line again...
what else do you need to provoke a reply? one line, simple and clear so all the read-lazy guys can share their opinion aswell.
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Polearms glance at pointblank if you dont spin thrust, buy I think its a lower chance because the grip used on a polearm thrust is more of a thrust then a poke like the 2hers
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Its just ridiculous that a Longswords thrust attack can outrange a perfectly placed heavy lance couch.
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This would've got +1,
instead...
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If you stab a spear at point blank it glances, even if they're moving forward. That shouldn't happen. So unless they're willing to remove the minimum range on the stab so long as the head isn't already past them, then no.
Realistically, if you have a spear planted firmly against someones chest and they start to move forward, what'll happen? Right, they impale themselves like an idiot. If the person isn't even wearing a shirt, it'll hardly take anything to penetrate realistically. I can't tell you how many times I've had my spear bounce off of naked flesh because I didn't bother to wiggle my attack against a fleeing peasant/archer.
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I thought this thread was going to be about how the characters hold pole-arms in the middle but now I'm not sure what this thread is about.
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Have you even played with spears?
I played with ALL the Weapon categories there are.
Spear is by far the most entertaining, and rather easy if you are at least average.
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Spear without shield is really outclassed. Its outranged by 2h's, out damaged by 2h's on all but the thrust (being generous to the spear there) and its slower than 2h. I'd say the spear is good vs horses but anything but the ash pike cant reach an able lancer, you are better off with (guess what) a 2h :P Sure if you are happy playing support and team play spear is a wiser choice but in most other situations my money would be on 2h's :P
Hoplite builds are fun and a good way of being half decent at low lvls but very few 'spear' builds at lvl 30 would say its an easy game to play :P
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Spear without shield is really outclassed. Its outranged by 2h's, out damaged by 2h's on all but the thrust (being generous to the spear there) and its slower than 2h. I'd say the spear is good vs horses but anything but the ash pike cant reach an able lancer, you are better off with (guess what) a 2h :P Sure if you are happy playing support and team play spear is a wiser choice but in most other situations my money would be on 2h's :P
Hoplite builds are fun and a good way of being half decent at low lvls but very few 'spear' builds at lvl 30 would say its an easy game to play :P
Have you tried a 15/24 or 18/21 build with a spear? I almost never get outreached by lancers even using the war spear. Lances generally aren't hard to dodge unless the lancer is very good. Also something of a bonus of using a spear is that it seems most people expect you to try and stab; so they walk up with a downblock, grinning and thinking they're getting an easy kill until you smack them across the head with a sideswing.
Seriously though, spears and lances are fine as is. All I see with people complaining about the short range thrusts is crying because they want to pwn moar newbz, and are saddened when they get beaten by an underdog weapon.
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18/21 with a deadly spear.
I kill motherfuckers.Often.
In a on on 1 with a 2hander, generally, if they are my skill level or lower, I kill them.
And I only have 100 Polearm wpf.
The thing is, the Spear is very fast, and the polestagger helps a lot.You rarely get to place a second hit when the enemy is staggered, but it gives you time to dance back out of his reach.
It´s fucking smooth.
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Dont get me wrong, I use mw war spear with 100 wpf and have done for 7 generations there about. But its just a matter of stats, not to mention if anyone if half decent steps up to you, hitting them with a side swing just often glances off them. I dont need more range to 'pwn moar noobs', I am a jav cav so I am teh noob backstabbing them but I know that spears are not that loved.
I'm not arguing just from a point of experience, but also from the point of mechanics :P A half decent lancer will get a good angle on someone using the warspear with no shield and then its just down to maths as to who can win. Sure the spear player can dodge out of the way but it seems a bit wrong to me that spears have to dodge out of the way of horses and not the other way round.
On the subject of the spear, sure that thing is fast but got shit all for range. Also I take that this :
In a on on 1 with a 2hander, generally, if they are my skill level or lower, I kill them.
means that if I kill anyone with 'my skill or lower' with my war spear it means the weapon is decent. Either that or I seriously underestimate my own skill.
So to sum up on spears -
- Lancers are more afraid of a 2h in lol stab than a spear user (This is what I know from my clan mates - a cavalry clan), spears not really an anti cav weapon
- Spears on anything off thrust often glance off heavy armour and the damage is pitiful on swings (with ps 5 I have to hit many opponents 5 or more times to kill them)
- Polearm stun is helpful
I guess what I am trying to say, spears should be simple to use to at least some effectiveness, however you need quite specialised builds to get on par with many average players.