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Title: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Tristan on December 22, 2011, 05:20:56 pm
Let's have it. We hear it often from new players. Is it worth for me to retire?

Under which circumstances would you recommend a new player to retire, and wouldn't you?


My opinion:
I wouldn't do it if I was gen 1 unless you want to respec and know you are going to play a lot.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Kafein on December 22, 2011, 05:33:54 pm
For those poor souls that like the gameplay types that aren't encouraged by this mod at all (heavy armor and cavalry mainly), retiring is a forced choice, in order to get enough money.


Retiring also helps staying flexible when your build and/or heirlooms are screwed up by a patch.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: B3RS3RK on December 22, 2011, 05:39:56 pm
Simple: Retire untill you feel your gear is loomed enough.

If you dont want looms at all, retire once in a while if you want to try out a different playstyle.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Boerenlater on December 22, 2011, 06:54:34 pm
Or retire and still be able to kick ass with  a stf character.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: zagibu on December 22, 2011, 07:30:02 pm
The only real benefit you get are the looms, so if you don't care for looms, don't retire, easy as that. If I had never retired, I would be more than half way to level 35 now, I think. I now have 5 MW items, which isn't bad either. And I won't retire anymore.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Korgoth on December 22, 2011, 07:48:58 pm
Yes.

I see retiring kind of like prestige mode in call of duty.

The leveling system is what makes me play so much to be honest.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Sawbone on December 22, 2011, 08:09:49 pm
I would also say yes.

I would also suggest trying many different builds. Playing other classes helps you understand how to defeat them once you find your preferred play style.

For example, while playing Cav I understood better how to avoid Cav charges by seeing how some experience players reacted to my mounted attacks. Retiring also gives you the opportunity to tweak your build and improve it after each generation. It also hurts less to respec: if your build is broken for any reason (patch nerf, bad decision or else) and you're level 35...imagine to shitload of lost XP.

Looms and leveling up are also great for the gold income. After first gen, I made a lot of money just wearing crappy gear for the first 20 levels.

Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 23, 2011, 01:28:46 am
Retirement advantages
+XP and Gold bonus per retirement
+Heirloomed items
+You get to enjoy the level 1-30 process

Disadvantages
-You get to enjoy the level 1-30 process
-You don't get past level 30 (you're level 31 for a few minutes before you retire)

I'm gen...something...and I plan on retiring until I've loomed my heavy lance. My horse is already fully loomed. Once you've got the heirloomed items you desire, there isn't much point in retiring anymore. By then you'll have a decent xp/gold bonus, and will be sick of the 1-30 grind.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: zagibu on December 23, 2011, 02:10:02 am
There is no such thing as a +gold bonus. The xp bonus only improves your retirement rate, which is pointless if you don't care about looms. In theory, it could also improve your overall leveling bonus, but 3% is not enough. Also, max XP you can get per minute is capped, which means you won't ever catch up in level with someone who doesn't retire.

It's really only about the shiny looms.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Candiru on December 23, 2011, 02:26:08 am
In my opinion retiring is only worth it until you get your desired mw weapon that you use alot. I'm always thinking that I won't be retiring but then I do it anyway because I get the sense of native once you're not leveling anymore. Just a thought.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Winterly on December 23, 2011, 06:42:33 am
If you're going to play this game a LOT, retire away.  If just playing casually, it might be to your best interests to just stay at level 30/31.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on December 23, 2011, 11:06:06 am
Retire until you reach the xp bonus cap. Its worth it.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Phazey on December 23, 2011, 12:25:25 pm
Retire because you enjoy leveling up, i'd say. Don't do it for the 'looms, they aren't worth it if you hate being <30.
I made an alt for every build i like (2h, pole guy, archer, STF HA), so i can switch to those anytime i like. Quite a luxury, i think. When a cav map comes on, i switch to my main 1h cav guy or do a few rounds as HA...  when a cramped infantry map comes on,  i bring out my 2h guy or pole guy or my archer.

I would recommend making 1 main character and start with one or two alts. If you are a casual player, i would recommend not retiring and making a few alts instead.

In short: make main -> level to 30 -> make alt -> make alt -> make alt -> reach level 25+ with alts -> consider retiring main.

Something like that anyway... but just do whatever you like!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Vibe on December 23, 2011, 12:32:31 pm
If you don't feel like grinding low levels anymore, stop retiring, simple as that.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on December 23, 2011, 12:56:16 pm
Quote from: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 23, 2011, 01:28:46 am
Retirement advantages
+XP and Gold bonus per retirement (fixed)
+Heirloomed items (also in market)
+You get to enjoy the level 1-30 process (really? after 20 times you do it?)

Disadvantages
-You get to enjoy the level 1-30 process
-You don't get past level 30 (you're level 31 for a few minutes before you retire)

I'm gen...something...and I plan on retiring until I've loomed my heavy lance. My horse is already fully loomed. Once you've got the heirloomed items you desire, there isn't much point in retiring anymore. By then you'll have a decent xp/gold bonus, and will be sick of the 1-30 grind.

i'm gen 19, with the armor heirloom bonus nerf, being 35 with a couple of purchased heirlooms is WAY better.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: zagibu on December 23, 2011, 02:38:44 pm
Quote from: dangah on December 23, 2011, 11:06:06 am
Retire until you reach the xp bonus cap. Its worth it.

Worth what? Can you show your calculations, please?
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: B3RS3RK on December 23, 2011, 02:39:13 pm
Quote from: Corrado_Decimo on December 23, 2011, 12:56:16 pm
i'm gen 19, with the armor heirloom bonus nerf, being 35 with a couple of purchased heirlooms is WAY better.

Yeah, but not everybody can do that...Play the same character wit hthe same Build for such a long time...That´s why retiring is good.

I´d really say
Quote
If you don't feel like grinding low levels anymore, stop retiring, simple as that.

Is the best way :D
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Kafein on December 23, 2011, 03:23:51 pm
It's funny how nobody mentions that some people need a regular gold income in order to pay the upkeep xD

Best way to do that is to sell a couple of loom points and earn gold with the gold you have.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Teeth on December 23, 2011, 04:01:50 pm
Retire for as long as you can bear it, which was 6 times for me. I hated leveling, most retarded invention in gaming ever.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Phazey on December 23, 2011, 05:01:32 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on December 23, 2011, 04:01:50 pm
Retire for as long as you can bear it, which was 6 times for me. I hated leveling, most retarded invention in gaming ever.

Funny how our views differ. I love retiring. The 'long' grind from 30 to 31 kinda bores me though.  :)
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Duckzern on December 23, 2011, 05:28:02 pm
I really don't know if I should retire, My build seems pretty solid even though it's my first one.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Candiru on December 23, 2011, 05:34:47 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on December 23, 2011, 04:01:50 pm
Retire for as long as you can bear it, which was 6 times for me. I hated leveling, most retarded invention in gaming ever.

same :)
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Teeth on December 23, 2011, 05:54:35 pm
Quote from: Phazey on December 23, 2011, 05:01:32 pm
Funny how our views differ. I love retiring. The 'long' grind from 30 to 31 kinda bores me though.  :)
Playing with my finished build is awesome. 30 to 31 passes like a breeze, cause I'm not looking at the xp bar all the time cause I don't really need to level up. 1-30 is awful, cause I keep thinking 'I wish I was faster', 'I wish I would hit harder'. Especially 25-30, I hate those levels.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Kafein on December 23, 2011, 07:31:26 pm
Quote from: SgtTeeh on December 23, 2011, 05:54:35 pm
Playing with my finished build is awesome. 30 to 31 passes like a breeze, cause I'm not looking at the xp bar all the time cause I don't really need to level up. 1-30 is awful, cause I keep thinking 'I wish I was faster', 'I wish I would hit harder'. Especially 25-30, I hate those levels.


Haha, I have the exact opposite feeling...

When I'm a peasant, I can be a troll without harming my team. I can't do much anyway. Furthermore, I always seem to get better multiplier when I'm low level and when I don't kill much.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: isatis on December 23, 2011, 07:36:30 pm
Quote from: zagibu on December 23, 2011, 02:38:44 pm
Worth what? Can you show your calculations, please?

search the forum and you'll see the shortest way to get to 35 is by having gen X (like 10 or 16 if i'm not abused) and then go for it!

(link if I find it)
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: zagibu on December 24, 2011, 01:25:01 am
Quote from: isatis on December 23, 2011, 07:36:30 pm
search the forum and you'll see the shortest way to get to 35 is by having gen X (like 10 or 16 if i'm not abused) and then go for it!

(link if I find it)

Nope. Level 35 is 142 Million exp, or ~16-17 times level 31. If you go to gen 15 before leveling to 35, you'd have to do 142 Million exp in the time the other dude who never retired has to do 20 Million. You are never going to catch up.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on December 24, 2011, 02:25:27 pm
Quote from: zagibu on December 24, 2011, 01:25:01 am
Nope. Level 35 is 142 Million exp, or ~16-17 times level 31. If you go to gen 15 before leveling to 35, you'd have to do 142 Million exp in the time the other dude who never retired has to do 20 Million. You are never going to catch up.

all this without taking the XP bonus in account. i get 7250xp with x5 so... it's little bit faster. roughly 50%.

but there is a big difference in playing with a 21/18 level 30-31 build or a:

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or even a:

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then you can just run in paesant gear onehitting stuff with your shortened scythe and farm gold for heirlooms.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Dalhi on December 24, 2011, 02:38:43 pm
Quote from: zagibu on December 24, 2011, 01:25:01 am
Nope. Level 35 is 142 Million exp

I'm pretty sure that you need 180 mln exp. to reach level 35.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: zagibu on December 25, 2011, 04:48:23 am
That's possible, the infinitum calculater says it's 142 278 448, though. I've never made it past 31, so i don't really know.

Anyway, the point is: if you wanna go high level, don't ever retire.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Kafein on December 25, 2011, 12:22:32 pm
Quote from: Corrado_Decimo on December 24, 2011, 02:25:27 pm
or even a:

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then you can just run in paesant gear onehitting stuff with your shortened scythe and farm gold for heirlooms.


Don't ever go for that kind of build. With the agi average and the usual combat pattern these days, you'll be either backpedalled or circled in no time. Even with peasant gear, 1 ath is slow as hell.
Title: Re: The "should I retire?" thread.
Post by: Boerenlater on December 25, 2011, 03:11:54 pm
Quote from: Kafein on December 25, 2011, 12:22:32 pm

Don't ever go for that kind of build. With the agi average and the usual combat pattern these days, you'll be either backpedalled or circled in no time. Even with peasant gear, 1 ath is slow as hell.
Yeah you will look like a hedgehog in no time.