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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: illogical on December 12, 2011, 10:57:09 am
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7 for most maneuver its too high (Arabian Warhorse)
6 for most speed its normal (Courser)
5 for best balance horse its low (Destrier)
(7+6+5)/3=6 difficulty for best unarmored horses.
yea, maza faka)
But need balance any other horse
Rouncey better than a Palfrey, but costs less. wtf? it may be worth degrade Rouncey.
Desert Horse reduce difficulty to 5.
Armored Horse no need balance so as not beneficial in the repair.
Sorry bad english. Your english bad language xD joke
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Rouncey better than a Palfrey, but costs less. wtf? it may be worth degrade Rouncey.
Noooo! Nooooooooooooooooooo! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
But to be honest, Rouncey is a really good horse for this price. But it falls dead very fast, a view bad arrows and you're riding a dead horse.
IMO the armored horses are way too fast, sometimes they can even outrun a Rouncey. Thats stupid.
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dodnet, yea, Rouncey very good specifics+low price+low difficulty=unbalance
Palfrey not need upgrade, maybe up difficulity to 4-5.
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have you already rode an arabian warhorse? my guess is no
but i have to agree with the destrier its a very good value for its riding skill. just need to look at the marketplace : People are selling arabian and courser and every wannabe riders and their mums are looking for destrier.
Same goes for cata horse, sold a lot and heavy warhorse, cant be fiund on the market
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Nor can you find any Rouncey on the market :wink:
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Nor can you find any Rouncey on the market :wink:
Because this is a budget option or do not set the market because they use :wink:
have you already rode an arabian warhorse?
No.
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And please remove Sumpter Horse. Its a complete bullshit horse, not worth anything. It might be of some use it it gets faster and only half the HP it has now. But at current stats its just as useless as a donkey on the battlefield.
They should exchange the sumpter for the ponys (tiny cute horses) from Nord Invasion. These are funny at least: http://www.moddb.com/mods/nordinvasion/images/small-pony :mrgreen:
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Sorry bad english. Your english bad landuage xD joke
this made me laugh : )
i guess one could swap rouncey and palfrey prices. however the riding balance on the other horses is fair, the arabian is the best horse out there, and the destrier is only so sought after because lower level players dont want to sacrifice all their infantry skills to ride a good level 6 horse. by making the destrier 6, you would force any lower level men to either be highly specialized or use low tier horses. this would be sad as it would lessen the fun for a lot of players.
note that i would only profit form your suggestion, so this is truly my opinion and not some self concerned bullshit.
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And please remove Sumpter Horse. Its a complete bullshit horse, not worth anything. It might be of some use it it gets faster and only half the HP it has now. But at current stats its just as useless as a donkey on the battlefield.
They should exchange the sumpter for the ponys (tiny cute horses) from Nord Invasion. These are funny at least: http://www.moddb.com/mods/nordinvasion/images/small-pony :mrgreen:
Yeah, exchange sumpter either for a Pony with Riding 1 or a Donkey.
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Arabian being 7 riding is so woeful :/
I *could* understand 6 riding, so as to make it a specialist horse (that can do more than just run to death in a straight line, but dies in 1-2 hits from ranged, being even more frail than, say, rouncey), but, really, making it the item with the highest difficulty in the game? It really wasn't that good, not even close...
I have a +1 arabian from before this change, was considering selling it back then, regret i didn't. No way i'm getting 7 riding for it, that would just be masochistic.
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OP has written exactly what was on my mind, but I was too lazy to do anything.
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I think the high difficulty horses are that way simply to restrict horse archers from using them easily. Melee cav have don't have much problem investing those points into riding, but horse archers do. So I think the idea is that difficultly levels really only affect horse archers.
But since those same horses are so weak, very few melee cav are going to bother with them. Who cares how maneuverable they are if they get taken down in 1 shot? Only horse archers would really like them because they can stay away from archers and use the maneuvering to evade cav.
For melee cav players, the restriction is more about upkeep costs than attribute point requirements. They don't often take the armored horses because they are unaffordable.
i guess one could swap rouncey and palfrey prices. however the riding balance on the other horses is fair, the arabian is the best horse out there, and the destrier is only so sought after because lower level players dont want to sacrifice all their infantry skills to ride a good level 6 horse. by making the destrier 6, you would force any lower level men to either be highly specialized or use low tier horses. this would be sad as it would lessen the fun for a lot of players.
I think people take destriers because they have the most armor of the unarmored horses, but at one third less cost than the cheapest armored horse. I wish my champion courser was a destrier just because it'd be only slightly more expensive than the courser, but still wouldn't cause me to lose money like the the armored horses would. And right now, all that really matters for me in melee horse selection is the ability to not get owned by archers in 5 seconds.
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I got nothing against the arabian...
but compare to rouncey to the palfrey...
you pay 4000 gold more for...
-10 hit point
-4 body armor
+1 speed
-2 charge
horse balanced... yeah...
rouncey to arabian?
you pay 13000 more and need +4 in riding for?
-5 hit point
-6 body armor
+7 maneuver
Really? :rolleyes: :lol:
I'm sure I could do the same with the 2 other crappy horse no one use... (Desert, Steppe...)
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Destrier with 5 riding skill is slow (even champ. ) and people mostly go for a courser if they go above 5 riding, so imo there's no problem in destrier having 5 difficulty. Arabian and courser should have 6 imo.
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Arabian requiring a riding skill of six was nice, despite being a very fun horse, they were/are the "paper fighters" and die very quickly.
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I think the high difficulty horses are that way simply to restrict horse archers from using them easily. Melee cav have don't have much problem investing those points into riding, but horse archers do. So I think the idea is that difficultly levels really only affect horse archers.
Wait what? We have no problem investing those points. It just takes until level 31. But I know a good few HA who can use Arabians.
And were you here when they were used by just about every decent lancer? They were a lancers horse, not an HA's horse.
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Wait what? We have no problem investing those points. It just takes until level 31. But I know a good few HA who can use Arabians.
And were you here when they were used by just about every decent lancer? They were a lancers horse, not an HA's horse.
Power draw, horse archery, riding, WM for WPF in archery as well as for a melee weapon... That's a lot of points to dish out. That sounds like a big deterrent to investing extra points in riding just for the particular horse. Sure, if you don't retire you'll get the points you need eventually, but that's true of almost any build.
And if HA can't use the Arabian till they are very high level, while melee cav have no problem getting it early and were never really bothered by the attribute point investment, then I'd still say that these cav have the riding cost they do just to make it tough for HAs to have them. After all, why would all the heavy cav be only 5 riding, even though they are probably more valuable to melee cav than these lighter horses. I'd say it's because these heavy horses don't really offer any advantage to HAs.
I used to use an Arabian quite often as a lancer. But that was back when archers weren't so ridiculously powerful. It's not a lancers horse now if you actually want to play the game and not have your expensive horse 1 shot because an archer pointed a bow at you.
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I agree with Kay's post about melee vs. ranged horses.
Reduce the cost of heavy horses so that they're more affordable. At the same time, reduce the amount of damage that they take so that they're less effective - they become more like slightly slower, slightly more sturdy versions of the light horses. This way it's possible for your average melee character to use a horse that's suited to his style.
Horse archers would have to take light horses if they wanted to escape from melee cav. Melee players could also take light horses of course, if they wanted a speed boost and the ability to catch ranged cav. It would make the class as a whole more balanced, and get rid of those obnoxious horsebumping tanks.
So, compared to now:
heavy cav would have less health/armor, but still more than light horses.
heavy cav's costs would be reduced so as to be comparable to light horses.
light horses stay pretty much the same.
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My experience here is somewhat limited to the courser--and I think that it's current riding requirement and price are perfect. That being said, I do ride about on other people's horses when I get the chance...
The destrier's riding is too low--I think six would be better. It's an excellent horse that is relatively affordable and very survivable compared to its unarmored brethren. I would say that it's tied with the courser for first place among the best of the unarmored horses, at least when the courser is ridden by a skilled rider. Indeed, destrier beats the courser in HP, armor, and charge stats.
Such a good horse shouldn't be available to any fuck with a paltry 5 riding.
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The only real inbalances currently are that the Palfrey sucks compared to Rouncey and Sumpter is useless. Make sumpter a pony (reduce model size), buff Palfrey a bit.
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BUFF 2H CAV
this is completely unbiased fyi
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introduce unicorns to the mod. with pierce-charge damage. and super-poop.
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http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html