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Title: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2011, 11:19:20 am
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Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Gnjus on December 11, 2011, 11:40:31 am
You're an educated man (so i hear), you should've figured it out by now - the answer is: never. They don't care.  It's not happening, even if 90 out of 100 people on battle servers end up shooting from the roofs (and some voices in my head keep telling me that's exactly what's gonna happen soon). :wink:
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Meow on December 11, 2011, 11:45:46 am
Until torches can burn down houses and kill everyone on the roof!

Damn it, now i want that...
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Prpavi on December 11, 2011, 12:04:42 pm
This has been suggested, discussed and cryed about in several Topics, Polls, Whine Threads.

Not gonna happen. Its so "tactical" and "smart"
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Elio on December 11, 2011, 12:06:13 pm
Until torches can burn down houses and kill everyone on the roof!

Damn it, now i want that...
Or simply make firebomb back

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Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Teeth on December 11, 2011, 01:16:07 pm
Until torches can burn down houses and kill everyone on the roof!

Damn it, now i want that...
This doesnt make sense.

So when we finally get a weapon to fight the roofcampers you remove the ladders? Then who would we burn?

Seriously, that ladders are still in battle mode is a living testimony of the incompetence of the developers. If you can't be arsed to play your own game, then listen to the people who do, the community.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2011, 01:35:11 pm
I am only asking because a while ago one of the admins/devs (don't remember) stated that they were going to do it in the latest patch. Of course, being a cRPG veteran, i didn't actually expect them to do it, one can only wish.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: gazda on December 11, 2011, 01:43:20 pm
only solution is RANDOM PLAIN/STEPPE MAPS

 :D :oops: :) :cry: :( :evil: :twisted: :o :shock: :rolleyes: :wink: :? :!: :?: :lol: :idea: :mad: :P :arrow: 8-) :| :mrgreen:
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Kafein on December 11, 2011, 01:52:38 pm
only solution is RANDOM PLAIN/STEPPE MAPS

 :D :oops: :) :cry: :( :evil: :twisted: :o :shock: :rolleyes: :wink: :? :!: :?: :lol: :idea: :mad: :P :arrow: 8-) :| :mrgreen:

Well... random plains/steppes are good when they actually ARE plains or steppes. Not fucking martian mountains.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Spleen on December 11, 2011, 01:58:10 pm
Now that I'm a Horsearcher its fine with me if they remove the ladders  :rolleyes:
Also, if 90% of the players will shoot you from the roof, they will also shoot you from the ground, which will end with you dead whether they stand on the roof or the ground, yknow
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Kafein on December 11, 2011, 02:02:09 pm
Now that I'm a Horsearcher its fine with me if they remove the ladders  :rolleyes:
Also, if 90% of the players will shoot you from the roof, they will also shoot you from the ground, which will end with you dead whether they stand on the roof or the ground, yknow

When they stand on the ground, they aren't immune to everyone except other ranged. That's the point.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Meow on December 11, 2011, 02:17:48 pm
Nah
This doesnt make sense.

So when we finally get a weapon to fight the roofcampers you remove the ladders? Then who would we burn?

Seriously, that ladders are still in battle mode is a living testimony of the incompetence of the developers. If you can't be arsed to play your own game, then listen to the people who do, the community.

I was replying to Gnjus post.
We are conditioning people into roof camping to then give everyone else a weapon to insta kill those people  :mrgreen:


And i remember making an unofficial poll on the kind of removal but that was back when i thought it would be necessary to know what stuff should stay in which game mode.

Else i have about as much info on this as you.
Could happen at anytime...which can be good or bad :mrgreen:
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: gazda on December 11, 2011, 02:39:19 pm
DOGS ARE SMARTER THEN CATS !!!!!

IN YOUR FACE!
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Meow on December 11, 2011, 02:45:45 pm
DOGS ARE SMARTER THAN CATS !!!!!

IN YOUR FACE!

And still cats own the internet :mrgreen:
Conspiracy?


Also on topic: I'll try to get news on this but not sure when.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Lennu on December 11, 2011, 02:47:13 pm
You just need to lure players to the Byzantium server...
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Apsod on December 11, 2011, 02:48:04 pm
Tbh, I love the ladders even tho I am inf :)
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Beat on December 11, 2011, 03:05:32 pm
So, why exactly do you want ladders removed from battle mode?
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: gazda on December 11, 2011, 03:33:52 pm
And still cats own the internet :mrgreen:
Conspiracy?


Also on topic: I'll try to get news on this but not sure when.

Its because dogs are too profound to me hassled with primitive things.

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Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Leshma on December 11, 2011, 03:38:51 pm
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Most of the dev team is for removing ladders from battle mode, but as Paul said already chadz is against it.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Christo on December 11, 2011, 04:05:21 pm
So, why exactly do you want ladders removed from battle mode?

...

Can't be arsed to search for my ladder abuse collection, but If I ever find it, I'll post about 5-10 screenshots why.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: gazda on December 11, 2011, 04:22:16 pm
Most of the dev team is for removing ladders from battle mode, but as Paul said already chadz is against it.

lol, chadz, pff what does he has to do with this, its not up to him to decide, hes unimportant  :lol:
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Joker86 on December 11, 2011, 04:22:25 pm
Most of the dev team is for removing ladders from battle mode, but as Paul said already chadz is against it.

So all we have to rely on as answer to our repeated questions is hearsay?

I suggest that the developers employ some kind of community manager, who posts regularly, and official answers could be posted in a certain colour. So everyone can immediately see what's the matter with some suggestions, questions or other stuff of interest.

Next to much more detailed changelog (e.g. "Changed speed bonus of +5 to damage bonus of +5 for masterwork Thor's Hammer of Awesomeness", and not "Items rebalanced") and perhaps free heirloom points for everyone who owns a tweaked item.

You know, just those basic things, like taking notice of other persons, answering when they talk to someone, being kind and fair, and of course all the other things you needed to do in past times to not be fucking beaten to death and the corpse being hidden in the ground outside the village, somewhere in the forest.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on December 11, 2011, 05:18:09 pm
And still cats own the internet :mrgreen:
Conspiracy?
Nah, it's just all the people googling "pussy"creating a snowball effect.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Teeth on December 11, 2011, 05:18:24 pm
Nah
I was replying to Gnjus post.
We are conditioning people into roof camping to then give everyone else a weapon to insta kill those people  :mrgreen:


And i remember making an unofficial poll on the kind of removal but that was back when i thought it would be necessary to know what stuff should stay in which game mode.

Else i have about as much info on this as you.
Could happen at anytime...which can be good or bad :mrgreen:
Meow is like on of us, only he's also on of them. He hasn't been dev long enough to stop caring. Go Meow, use your jedi powers to convince them of what has to be done.

If chadz is against the removal of ladders can he please state why? Ladders probably took ages to get working like they do now, so that might be part of the reason. Still, if it makes the game worse they have to go, I'm fine with them continuing to exist in Siege and Strat.

Is it just me or was roofcamping less prominent in the first half of 2011 and completely absent in 2010? Why is that? I also remember playing maps that had invisble barriers on pretty much all roofs. I'm fine if that gets redone.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Cris on December 11, 2011, 05:33:56 pm
I like ladders, they are fun are useful. They dont ruin battle (99%of my archer time is as HA so I dont use ladders - so no "you are an archer" argument :P )

If anything, make them impossible to take friendly damage or damage at all on Battle servers, so that people cannot get to unreachable places and make them unreachable places again.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Christo on December 11, 2011, 05:43:12 pm
:D

A horse archer saying how he loves ladders and sees them totally fine and 'tactical', and doesn't like the removal idea.

(click to show/hide)

God I love this community.

Totally not selfish/biased at all.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on December 11, 2011, 05:53:37 pm
Make ladders immune to friendly hits. Problem solved.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Christo on December 11, 2011, 05:57:34 pm
Make ladders immune to friendly hits. Problem solved.

Problem: Archers/Crossbows turn around if they are decent.

Try to get up to a high roof on a small ladder while being focus-fired by 3-5 rangers.

Have fun.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Vibe on December 11, 2011, 06:09:35 pm
Da pepol demand laddar remove

Da chieftain say

deal wit it
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: ThePoopy on December 11, 2011, 06:23:40 pm
Give back ladderpulting
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: cmp on December 11, 2011, 06:42:04 pm
:D

A horse archer saying how he loves ladders and sees them totally fine and 'tactical', and doesn't like the removal idea.

(click to show/hide)

God I love this community.

Totally not selfish/biased at all.

Same thing could be said about the 2h/polearm heroes who don't carry a shield and whine about getting shot.

Not that I disagree with the argument, just pointing out that everyone is selfish.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on December 11, 2011, 06:42:51 pm
Make ladders immune to friendly hits. Problem solved.

And witness the wave of abusing that would make construction sites seem like a minor nuisance.

Especialy on siege, every freaking door would be filled to the brim with ladders
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Meow on December 11, 2011, 06:43:49 pm
Yeah Im like every cRPG player. I rage intill something good happens to me. "AUTO BALANCE SUCKS,RANGE OP,CAV OP,MOD DEAD,SO MANY TROLLS"
They get a times 5.... "Wow I took 5 arrows maybe it isn't OP, My teams won 23rounds in a row maybe autobalance rocks, Cav is only good on certain maps, Wow those trolls are great they made a sige tower the entire last round and all died because they were unarmed"

cRPG players are whiney bitches.... God I love this game!

:mrgreen:
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Tzar on December 11, 2011, 07:05:51 pm
Give back ladderpulting

would epic to catapult the roof campers to the thin air
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: gazda on December 11, 2011, 07:11:10 pm
when you look at it, XBOWS are the thorn in the eye for this mod!
so f***ing OP but still , they go on and on trough every single patch, devs, y u no fix xbows?!? y? they are suupaah effective, why? there is no point in lobbying further for it, its hopeless....
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2011, 07:30:33 pm
Same thing could be said about the 2h/polearm heroes who don't carry a shield and whine about getting shot.

Not that I disagree with the argument, just pointing out that everyone is selfish.

It isn't that much better with a shield. You can block the projectiles coming your way if you face the roof but you still can't reach them and it still doesn't change the fact that only other ranged can kill the roofcampers.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Christo on December 11, 2011, 07:42:09 pm
Same thing could be said about the 2h/polearm heroes who don't carry a shield and whine about getting shot.

Not that I disagree with the argument, just pointing out that everyone is selfish.

Well, I never stated that elitist melee aren't like this.
Yep, everyone is a selfish bastard, ranged who abuse ladders defend their point of view, even though it's totally flawed, and countered by so many arguments from everyone else, melee who runs into archer groups and not taking cover, then crying about it.

Sadly cmpx, bringing a shield, especially a low tier one isn't working these days. Many who still play the mod frequently report that hits often go through the shield's hitbox/model or whatever.

I totally agree though.

when you look at it, XBOWS are the thorn in the eye for this mod!
so f***ing OP but still , they go on and on trough every single patch, devs, y u no fix xbows?!? y? they are suupaah effective, why? there is no point in lobbying further for it, its hopeless....

I blame Fasader.

Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Gurnisson on December 11, 2011, 10:29:05 pm
when you look at it, XBOWS are the thorn in the eye for this mod!
so f***ing OP but still , they go on and on trough every single patch, devs, y u no fix xbows?!? y? they are suupaah effective, why? there is no point in lobbying further for it, its hopeless....

No. I've been crossbowman, archer and now polearm for a couple of months. Archery is more dangerous to me as polearmer than crossbows, and good archers with loomed stuff can dominate the battlefield, unlike crossbowmen. Archers shoot on the move with almost as high damage output while crossbowmen has to go to melee quite often where their damage output is far lower. The rate of fire is just too large for crossbowman to effect the battlefield in the same way as an archer.
Title: Re: So when are you removing ladders from battle mode, again ?
Post by: Kafein on December 11, 2011, 11:51:38 pm
Give back ladderpulting

Totally this. At least it's funny.