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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: ThePoopy on November 26, 2011, 11:36:44 pm

Title: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: ThePoopy on November 26, 2011, 11:36:44 pm
-remove 40 degree lance limit
-buff shield
-give 2+ speed overall to 1h
-smaller sweetspot/later in animation
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Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Leshma on November 27, 2011, 12:20:28 am
I agree.

Also remove slots and unsheatable tag.

All horrible changes.

Yeah, either make WSE useful or simly remove it. Eariler active attacks is the worst idea ever.

Seems to me that, when we draw the line, we had a year full of bad dev decisions.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: zagibu on November 27, 2011, 12:27:34 am
Eariler active attacks is the worst idea ever.

Yeah, it increased the spam. Maybe it also did some good, but I can't see where, at the moment. The hiltslashing going on at the moment is the most ridiculous and annoying shit that has ever happened in this game, even the era of oober-throwers was less annoying.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: BlackMilk on November 27, 2011, 12:46:51 am
Think lancing and 1h speed are fine, why change it?

Also how is hiltslashing op? Only 5% of the people know how to do it properly and even then its still piss easy to counter (block or move in the right direction)
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Leshma on November 27, 2011, 12:49:37 am
Lancing isn't fine it's boring. It used to be fun without silly lance angle reduction. But it wasn't realistic :rolleyes:

One handers are a bit UP, especially agi builds.

Hiltslashing is stupid.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: BlackMilk on November 27, 2011, 12:50:43 am
Shields are ... dunno weird but 1hs are just fine.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Lech on November 27, 2011, 12:58:52 am
I don't know, i do just fine as 1h+Shield with 15-24 build with just Italian Sword. Sure, i have trouble killing tincans, but i usually am on the first spot of scoreboard so i deal with it.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Kafein on November 27, 2011, 01:37:31 am
I don't know, i do just fine as 1h+Shield with 15-24 build with just Italian Sword. Sure, i have trouble killing tincans, but i usually am on the first spot of scoreboard so i deal with it.

The same for me. My direct strikes (+3 elite scimi and 6 PS) starts bouncing when I face (probably heirloomed) transitional armor. But holded ones usually do the trick, even though I have to do simple attacks from time to time, otherwise I'm too predictable.

So I tend to avoid tincans. I'm a shielder anyway, I have better things to do like helplessly trying to catch archers butterflies.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Siiem on November 27, 2011, 02:19:16 am
One handers are a bit UP, especially agi builds.

In the words of Dr. Cox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNjQecyjE8
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Jarlek on November 27, 2011, 03:11:06 am
Shields need a buff. Right....NOW!
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 27, 2011, 08:03:06 am
WSE lancing FFS. Different lances need different arcs, massive 190 degree arc for the double sided and then pull it in from there, light, lance then heavy. DO IT!
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: zagibu on November 27, 2011, 10:22:11 am
Also how is hiltslashing op? Only 5% of the people know how to do it properly and even then its still piss easy to counter (block or move in the right direction)

How is blocking a counter to anything? You have to be able to attack back to counter something. Also, not everyone is a ninja that can just loljump away while slashing at the hiltslashers head.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Jarlek on November 27, 2011, 01:33:18 pm
How is blocking a counter to anything? You have to be able to attack back to counter something. Also, not everyone is a ninja that can just loljump away while slashing at the hiltslashers head.
Also, if you have a shield you can't block instantly as you can without a shield. This means if you spot that he's hiltslashing between the hits, you wont have enough time to put the shield up again.

TL;DR Buff shields.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Camaris on November 27, 2011, 02:19:09 pm
-remove 40 degree lance limit
-buff shield
-give 2+ speed overall to 1h
-smaller sweetspot/later in animation
(click to show/hide)
The same for me. My direct strikes (+3 elite scimi and 6 PS) starts bouncing when I face (probably heirloomed) transitional armor. But holded ones usually do the trick, even though I have to do simple attacks from time to time, otherwise I'm too predictable.

So I tend to avoid tincans. I'm a shielder anyway, I have better things to do like helplessly trying to catch archers butterflies.

The only thing i can agree is a buff to shields but not to 1h weapons itself.
And the only buff i could see working is making shield weight having less impact on runspeed.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Jarlek on November 27, 2011, 02:28:46 pm
The only thing i can agree is a buff to shields but not to 1h weapons itself.
And the only buff i could see working is making shield weight having less impact on runspeed.
:/ While I would like to fix the sweetspots on the 1h weapons, I can see why you say so and agree with it. And saving shields is more important anyway, as running around without a shield is currently just as good, some say even better, than running with one. The impact on running speed is the main problem.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Leshma on November 27, 2011, 02:50:24 pm
Also, if you have a shield you can't block instantly as you can without a shield. This means if you spot that he's hiltslashing between the hits, you wont have enough time to put the shield up again.

TL;DR Buff shields.

Yes you can block instantly if you have high shield skill and are using fast shield. I guess you're using some big ass slow shield...
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Jarlek on November 27, 2011, 02:56:28 pm
Yes you can block instantly if you have high shield skill and are using fast shield. I guess you're using some big ass slow shield...
Only with 100 speed shields. They exist, but are in a minority. If a 2hander was whining about the speed of the 1handers, it would be the same for me to claim that you are wrong and all 2handers are faster than 1handers, even though it's just the bastard swords, the 2h mace, Longsword and the Katana. Yes, there are some shields who can block "instantly". No, most of them can NOT do that.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Xant on November 27, 2011, 03:15:15 pm
Never had a problem with hiltslashes, as 2h or 1h.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Leshma on November 27, 2011, 03:25:50 pm
Only with 100 speed shields. They exist, but are in a minority. If a 2hander was whining about the speed of the 1handers, it would be the same for me to claim that you are wrong and all 2handers are faster than 1handers, even though it's just the bastard swords, the 2h mace, Longsword and the Katana. Yes, there are some shields who can block "instantly". No, most of them can NOT do that.

Smart shielders put their shield on their back and spam the shit out of said hiltslasher :wink:
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Xant on November 27, 2011, 03:29:58 pm
Hiltslashers can't be spammed. It's not a proper hiltslash if you can spam them.
Title: Re: finall sillution to all range spazz forever!1
Post by: Jarlek on November 27, 2011, 03:52:14 pm
Never had a problem with hiltslashes, as 2h or 1h.
I don't have a problem in that they can kill me. I almost never die to them. It's that they can get in a hit or two if their lucky by just spamming that really annoys me. Cause that's what hiltslashing really is. Spamming. If they can dodge me or run around so my hit glance or something and they can do a double attack, that's fine I accept them as outmanouvering me. But when they can just do a silly two-hit out of nowhere that just says "fuck-you!" to the normal attack-block-attack rythm, it makes me mad.