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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Vilde_II on November 24, 2011, 06:47:38 pm
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I think they are. I'm tired of lvl 30 characters who use some damn wooden stick and hit 99 times per second.
I think there should be some limitations to what can be blocked with what, since it's so stupid that some superman disguised as a peasant can hit 2 times faster than I can and still block my every blow from a flamberge with a damn stick.
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So... What you are saying is that people in peasant gear are beating you up with wooden sticks while you are using a spamberge?
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So... What you are saying is that people in peasant gear are beating you up with wooden sticks while you are using a spamberge?
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What I mean is that does it make any sense that a wooden stick can block a high damage sword 99 times and damage people with heavy armor.
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What I mean is that does it make any sense that a wooden stick can block a high damage sword 99 times and damage people with heavy armor.
Well, isn't that the beauty of warband? That with enough skill you can (in melee at least) beat someone even if you are at a severe disadvantage in gear?
Do you really think you should automatically win just because you brought a bigger weapon and heavier armor?
If someone continuously beats you with a wooden stick it's either because they're damn good, or you're damn bad.
Oh, and if you think wooden sticks are OP:
Try one for yourself.
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It's kind of sad that people that aren't still very good at blocking and such get killed by these guys with wooden sticks in 2 seconds and lose their money because they have to repair their armour that they need in order to survive... Armour that still is no use at all against some 30 lvl peasant. While the less good players lose their money to fix their armour because of this, the supermen have no worry since they don't even have anything that would get broken if they ever died.
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This is a competitive multiplayer action game, rather than a MMORPG-styled grindfest.
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It's kind of sad that people that aren't still very good at blocking and such get killed by these guys with wooden sticks in 2 seconds and lose their money because they have to repair their armour that they need in order to survive... Armour that still is no use at all against some 30 lvl peasant. While the less good players lose their money to fix their armour because of this, the supermen have no worry since they don't even have anything that would get broken if they ever died.
You die to wooden stick peasant = Get a shield for blocking. Thats the legal version of autoblock.
Still loose? Get better. Srsly.
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If you lose against a wooden stick with full hp, you utterly fail.
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Since nobody seems to get my point... whatever.
the point never was my lame skills.
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The Points are your lame skills, since you are obviously unable to kill someone with a Wooden stick if he isnt a real peasant.
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The point... still the fact that a wooden stick can well hit through heavy armour and can block heavy weapons...
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Yes, why wouldnt it?
You know that with enough skill, you can block witha big wooden Stick almost everything, too.You just need ALOT of skill.+
Alos -> Gameplay over Realism
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Really people..? Vilde has a point and you are completely missing or ignoring it. Do you honestly think that it's realistic or well balanced balanced that you can block a flamberge (etc.) with a wooden stick and 3 strength? :rolleyes:
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Normal sticks suck, but loomed oh my.. They have faster hit than the animation is and it is very hard to fight against if u don't get first swing.
Lower the speed from the animation buggy weapons, they r so common now.
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It's kind of sad that people that aren't still very good at blocking and such get killed by these guys with wooden sticks in 2 seconds and lose their money because they have to repair their armour that they need in order to survive... Armour that still is no use at all against some 30 lvl peasant. While the less good players lose their money to fix their armour because of this, the supermen have no worry since they don't even have anything that would get broken if they ever died.
Well, then I don't know about you, but to me this seems perfectly in order.
If someone is clearly better than you, then you SHOULD be the one losing.
And the way to remedy this should not be to grab the biggest weapons and armor (lolflamberge + 36 str), but to improve your own skill.
Also, protip: Don't use the heaviest armor and biggest weapons. You're never going to get good. Use competetive weapons and builds ofc, but don't take it to the extreme.
Really people..? Vilde has a point and you are completely missing or ignoring it. Do you honestly think that it's realistic or well balanced balanced that you can block a flamberge (etc.) with a wooden stick and 3 strength? :rolleyes:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html
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Really people..? Vilde has a point and you are completely missing or ignoring it. Do you honestly think that it's realistic or well balanced balanced that you can block a flamberge (etc.) with a wooden stick and 3 strength? :rolleyes:
We have samurai's using flamberges. Since when did you think cRPG is the most realistic of mods?
Also, while a stick blocking that might not make sense, it's good for a Skill based game as even lowliest of peasants can beat a bad plate spammer. That's what M&B's combat system has always been about.
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99% of the people using a wooden stick are stf \crpg elite guys who want some stick kill lols
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I see you met Bigsandwich of chaos.
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No offense mate, but the solution is actually the one the others are putting forward (albeit in a condescending way). The way that the combat system depends on the player is what sets Mount and Blade apart from other games. This game does require an investment of time in practice, it's different for many. Some like Dezi got the hang of things quickly and very well, while others like me are still failing hard every day. I know you believe the system is unbalanced, but trust me when I say it is pretty well done. There are lots of knacks and quirks to melee combat to learn and people come up with their own fighting styles etc etc. If the combat was based upon the tier of the gear, we'd have more situations like crushthrough and polestun etc etc and the balance would be even worse.
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We have samurai's using flamberges. Since when did you think cRPG is the most realistic of mods?
Also, while a stick blocking that might not make sense, it's good for a Skill based game as even lowliest of peasants can beat a bad plate spammer. That's what M&B's combat system has always been about.
Uhhm :lol: So, you are implying that M&B's combat system has always been about beating plate armored knights with wooden sticks? Really? Sure!
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html
*facepalm*
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I think they are. I'm tired of lvl 30 characters who use some damn wooden stick and hit 99 times per second.
I think there should be some limitations to what can be blocked with what, since it's so stupid that some superman disguised as a peasant can hit 2 times faster than I can and still block my every blow from a flamberge with a damn stick.
lol i think you have seen me leeching :D wooden stick needs buff xD
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Don't see too many people going round with 2h wooden practice sword anymore, used to be Count Berenger's schtick before ABAND picked him up. It was actually pretty damn deadly, almost OP. Also, long dagger is epic. Sorry for the off topicness.
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It still doesn't make any sense to me that the best players are the peasants wearing no armor and a wooden stick... ?
I know the skill is the most important thing, but it seems pretty weird to me that you can kill anything and block anything every time everywhere and so on with a damn stick.
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It still doesn't make any sense to me that the best players are the peasants wearing no armor and a wooden stick... ?
because its trololol hilarious?
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1. Hold weapon attack
2. Swing and weapon stun them
3. Attack a different direction
You have now learned how to beat the super op wooden stick :rolleyes:
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It still doesn't make any sense to me that the best players are the peasants wearing no armor and a wooden stick... ?
I know the skill is the most important thing, but it seems pretty weird to me that you can kill anything and block anything every time everywhere and so on with a damn stick.
Yeah you can, but it's bloody difficult to do. Why should you remove that possibility?
Also: Edreathis and Vilde - 2 guys don't make a circle if you get my point.
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We plan to get rid of all the combat crap and just compare the equipment values of players to decide a fight. The one with the cheaper gears gets autokilled. 2 day ban if he was using a wooden stick.
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It still doesn't make any sense to me that the best players are the peasants wearing no armor and a wooden stick... ?
I know the skill is the most important thing, but it seems pretty weird to me that you can kill anything and block anything every time everywhere and so on with a damn stick.
lol
I cant decide wether you are one of the biggest Noobs, Trolls or Retard Ive ever seen.
If we talk about equal skill, a peasant with a Wooden stick will always die to one with better Gear.
But since you wont always met People with the same skill as you, its just natural that they kill you no matter what they got.
Realism isn´t an argument counting in such a discussion aswell(But if you like, i can do that, too: Please stick a 16 year old with no experience in Fighting at all against a 35 Year old hardened Combat veteran, the 16 year old gets a Twohanded sword and the Veteran gets a Knife, dont you think the Veteran will win?).
People with high skill will always own you, no matter the gear.
So it´s just l2p from me, then you won´t get killed by Peasants much anymore.
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Uhhm :lol: So, you are implying that M&B's combat system has always been about beating plate armored knights with wooden sticks? Really? Sure!
*facepalm*
Yes, if the plate crutcher really lacks that much skill, they deserve to be bludgeoned about the head until they get knocked out. Put on a plate helmet, any plate helmet you want. Then let me hit you in the head several times with a nice oak stick. My money is on you being unconscious within 5 blows.
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It's kind of sad that people that aren't still very good at blocking and such get killed by these guys with wooden sticks in 2 seconds and lose their money because they have to repair their armour that they need in order to survive... Armour that still is no use at all against some 30 lvl peasant. While the less good players lose their money to fix their armour because of this, the supermen have no worry since they don't even have anything that would get broken if they ever died.
You do realize how retarded your argument is?
Give those stick-using guys a flamberge instead. Now what happens to that guy who got killed by a stick? He dies instantly.
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This is a skill based game... There is no Hackmaster+11 that compensates for a player being bad.
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This is a skill based game... There is no Hackmaster+11 that compensates for a player being bad.
Archery, lancing, plate, pikes, CT...?
There are plenty of ways to lame yourself to victory, but then I think you're missing one of the points of the game.
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ITT: ITEM CRUTCHER GONE MAD
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You do realize how retarded your argument is?
Give those stick-using guys a flamberge instead. Now what happens to that guy who got killed by a stick? He dies instantly.
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. :| Flamberge is really slow and it's easy to beat a guy who's using it. With a faster weapon.
But now to the point of this post: Nobody wants that you will win or lose automatically based on the price of your gear. You developer, Paul, nobody wants that (what he posted here) but that was a good joke. Come on. Let me explain this problem once again.. Can you, or CAN YOU NOT, block a sword with a wooden stick? The stick will break, at least after some blows. If you don't like this thing called realism, then okay but please don't be a douchebag and post comments implying the suggestors are 'retarded'. That just isn't funny. It doesn't make you look cool. At all. Trust me.
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Actually you can defend against a sword with a wooden stick in real life if it is about as thick as the one used ingame. It is pretty hard to cut through if it is only held at one side. Even more if the guy with the stick knows what he is doing.
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Actually you can defend against a sword with a wooden stick in real life if it is about as thick as the one used ingame. It is pretty hard to cut through if it is only held at one side. Even more if the guy with the stick knows what he is doing.
I was about to say that but then thought Edreamy old friend and Vilde wouldnt get it.
If you are a Master in Combat, you could even defend against a Greatsword with a wooden stick(Given that the one with the greatsword is not that kind of master).Footwork and technique will always matter more than equipment.
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Actually you can defend against a sword with a wooden stick in real life if it is about as thick as the one used ingame. It is pretty hard to cut through if it is only held at one side. Even more if the guy with the stick knows what he is doing.
Well, I suppose you have a point. Sometimes you could. But if you had a heavy two handed sword (that's not dull), I think the stick would not last many blows. If you have tried one of those IRL (I mean the sword :)), you know that it takes a lot of muscle-power to even swing them properly. That said, the blows are quite devastating. Enough to eventually break a stick we see ingame.
Oh and one more thing. @B3RS3RK: You really don't get it, do you? :lol:
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I dont think Iam even nearly able to get what you want to tell us, simply because my brain has an off switch when its about to get damaged by bullshit.
This game is SKILL based.Meaning this, one Peasant with a wooden stick could theoretically defeat a neverending number of Enemies with all the gear they want if he is good enough.
So yes, it IS balanced, because Skill matters more than gear.If you could crushthrough blocks of certain cheap weapons with more expensive ones, the balance would be broken and it would be all about "I haz more Gold and bigger Weapon than you"
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Look, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have the most expensive weapons in order to survive. You made that up yourself. Nobody want's to take the skill out of the game. That's why I'm facepalming so much right now. You should read more carefully, no offence.
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Really people..? Vilde has a point and you are completely missing or ignoring it. Do you honestly think that it's realistic or well balanced balanced that you can block a flamberge (etc.) with a wooden stick and 3 strength?
Realistic? Probably not. Well balanced? Of course. The game would be utterly broken if simply having a bigger/better weapon meant victory.
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What I read is the following:"It is stupid that a wooden stick can block a Flamberge"
This would mean you want that Flamberges etc. can crushthrough blocks of weapons like wooden sticks etc.?
This would indeed take the skill out of a part of the game...
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Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. :| Flamberge is really slow and it's easy to beat a guy who's using it. With a faster weapon.
But now to the point of this post: Nobody wants that you will win or lose automatically based on the price of your gear. You developer, Paul, nobody wants that (what he posted here) but that was a good joke. Come on. Let me explain this problem once again.. Can you, or CAN YOU NOT, block a sword with a wooden stick? The stick will break, at least after some blows. If you don't like this thing called realism, then okay but please don't be a douchebag and post comments implying the suggestors are 'retarded'. That just isn't funny. It doesn't make you look cool. At all. Trust me.
No, you couldn't be more wrong. If someone gets owned (repeatedly, apparently) by a fucking stick used by a peasant-armored guy, they're not going to block flamberge. Faster weapons have nothing to do with it, flamberge is still more than fast enough to force the block-attack-block-attack rhytm.
Since when was this thread about stick's ability to block swords? That's not what the OP was talking about.
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I think there should be some limitations to what can be blocked with what
And he was talking about Wooden sticks and such.
So he obviously wants something like crushthrough for the bigger/more expensive weapons against cheaper and smaller weapons like wooden sticks and such, totally taking the skill out of the game.
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,20774.0.html
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This would mean you want that Flamberges etc. can crushthrough blocks of weapons like wooden sticks etc.?
This would indeed take the skill out of a part of the game...
I don't think it would. Then we just disagree. Can't do anything about that.
Since when was this thread about stick's ability to block swords? That's not what the OP was talking about.
I'm pretty sure this was Vilde's point: "I think there should be some limitations to what can be blocked with what". And I don't want that you have to buy expensive weapons to be able to block, but come on. A wooden stick vs. a greatsword.
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I don't think it would. Then we just disagree. Can't do anything about that.
Seems like 60% of cRPG community disagrees with you...All the ones with at least average skills.
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Seems like 60% of cRPG community disagrees with you...All the ones with at least average skills.
Yeah cool story bro. Now i feel really bad (sarcasm) :lol:
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I wasnt trying to make you feel bad, i was trying to convince you that your Idea is really stupid.
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Actually you can defend against a sword with a wooden stick in real life if it is about as thick as the one used ingame. It is pretty hard to cut through if it is only held at one side. Even more if the guy with the stick knows what he is doing.
Yeah that wood branch is pretty thick and can't be broken easily.
But there are weapons like practice sword which can block flamburges, great axes and and that's totally unrealistic.
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Seems like 60% of cRPG community disagrees with you...All the ones with at least average skills.
60%.. ? I haven't seen that much ppl here yet.
Anyway the point I tried to made is .. don't even know what the hell is it anymore. I just can't believe I got flamed this much just because of one fucking suggestion .. AND BY PPL WHO DIDNT EVEN GET MY POINT (which Edreathir has been trying to point out and it seems Leshma is also near getting it). It's also good to see that even the developers come and troll in my thread which was supposed to be for nice conversation about the subject, not about my bad skills or how retarded I am.
It's not necessary to start being an asshole just because you disagree.
I have learned one lesson; Never suggest anything.
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Actually we get your point. We just happen to... *Dun Dun Dun* disagree with it. Some more politely than the others.
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It´s not about never suggesting anyting, but when it comes to this forum you must learn:
a) People are Assholes
b) Don´t make Noobish Suggestions
And even if its totally unrealistic that a Practice sword can block a Flamberge, so what?Gameplay over Realism.
Oh and not to mention that even if we talk realism, Practice swords were often filled with Lead, making them heavier and better to parry with.If you are good you could still block a Flamberge like that.
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suggestions corner = /b/ without pictures
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What's the point in suggesting if I get flamed everytime I suggest something? And how do you know you get my point.. I think I know myself a bit better than you do. You're talking about things that are VERY far away from the point.
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One other thing I tried to point out was the fact that a wooden stick could kill someone with full platemail armour. Still makes no sense to me but I seem to be marked as some random noob now so I don't really care anymore. cya
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Yes, it's terrifying that a wooden stick can kill someone in full plate with 25 swings.
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Farewell, random noob!
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Yes, it's terrifying that a wooden stick can kill someone in full plate with 25 swings.
Haha yeah.That´s terribly unbalanced
nerf Wooden sticks!
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Ahaha Ahahahaahahaaaaa, dude
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Tbh, the wooden stick isn't really a stick... it's a heavy thick log meant for breaking bones.
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This thread has given me a good laugh, thanks forum! :lol:
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more str u have more chance that u will end on the goround...fat ppl are more easily knockdowned