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Strategus => Faction Halls => Topic started by: Beauchamp on February 13, 2011, 12:19:52 am
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all cRPG CLAN RANKINGS (FALLEN LADDER)
Since me and Fallen_Punisher started to organize clan tournaments, we decided to record all the results and turn them into rankings of all the clans that participate in those events. These rankings are from now on included and regularly updated in the 1st post of this thread. These rankings will also be used for dividing clans into groups for ongoing tournaments. In general this thread should also work as a guideline for people looking for an active clan. Not only rankings, LPs, but also number of tournaments a clan participated in are recorded so anybody can easily distinguish active and innactive clan. Still bear in mind that there will for sure be a few clans that will ignore these events so the rankings here are not 100percent reliable, yet they hopefully will be a good guideline.
The points each team gets for scoring in the tournament are called Ladder Points (LPTs).
The formula for gaining them is following:
Winner of the tournament gets 1000LPTs no matter the tournament size, all the others get lower ammount of points depending on final tournament ranking. In case of 10 participants, the winner gets 1000LPTs and for each rank down the points are deducted by 1000/10.
Ladder points will be updated after each tournament I'm going to organize.
If anybody is willing to organize tournament with similar rules like I do, just PM me and I can include results of your tournament into this ladder system too. Hopefully with enough active people, this might turn later on to a good meter of how are clans able to perform in the tournaments.
CURRENT STANDINGS
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(note: only clans that participated in 2+ tournaments are counted into the performance graph, innactive clans will be further more replaced by active ones over time. the point is to show performance of active clans...)
clans to be probably removed in the next updates:
- Order of Rose
- Bridgeburners
- Templars
new clans that started participating lately and will probably appear sooner or later in the graph
- 22nd
- Pecores
- Wolpertinger
- ENG
(and maybe a few more)
ALREADY FINISHED TOURNAMENTS
TOURNAMENT 01 - (8 teams, 5 clanteam size) - winner SHOGUNATE http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1926.0.html
TOURNAMENT 02 - (6 teams, 7 clanteam size) - winner THE RISEN http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2225.0.html
TOURNAMENT 03 - (12 teams, 8 clanteam size) - winner THE RISEN http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2905.0.html
TOURNAMENT 04 - (16 teams, 4 clanteam size) - winner GREY ORDER http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,3403.0.html
TOURNAMENT 05 - (12 teams, 8 clanteam size) - winner MERCENARIES http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,3577.0.html
TOURNAMENT 06 - (12 teams, 5/8 clanteam size) - winner THE RISEN http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,3918.0.html
TOURNAMENT 06 - (14 teams, 8 clanteam size) - winner 22nd http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,5234.0.html
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sounds fun... except that last time i tried to participate in a Fallen tournie i had 220 ping and got in trouble for kiting people ;{
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sounds fun... except that last time i tried to participate in a Fallen tournie i had 220 ping and got in trouble for kiting people ;{
You're not allowed to kite? Thumbs down there.
What about NA? Are all these tournaments to take place on EU servers?
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sounds fun... except that last time i tried to participate in a Fallen tournie i had 220 ping and got in trouble for kiting people ;{
Each of our members had that ping. :lol: all EU. :?
But this was pretty funny anyway.
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fix the server or use another one :xxxx and reduce map size btw
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next tournament will be probably on shogunate server, i will speak with ujin about that.
btw as i said - it was 1st official clan, but still also testing tournament, so take it lightly. i get the message about pings, i really do especially if i read it in every risens and olwens post. in every team (maybe except hre) there were people that could complain about that.
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:)
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next tournament will be probably on shogunate server, i will speak with ujin about that.
btw as i said - it was 1st official clan, but still also testing tournament, so take it lightly. i get the message about pings, i really do especially if i read it in every risens and olwens post. in every team (maybe except hre) there were people that could complain about that.
It would be nice if we could alternate tournaments between EU and NA servers so that it's fair for all who'd like to participate.
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next tournament will be probably on shogunate server, i will speak with ujin about that.
btw as i said - it was 1st official clan, but still also testing tournament, so take it lightly. i get the message about pings, i really do especially if i read it in every risens and olwens post. in every team (maybe except hre) there were people that could complain about that.
What was up with the game crashing when you press L? Remove the siege ladders appearing when you do that, would maybe fix it?
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What was up with the game crashing when you press L? Remove the siege ladders appearing when you do that, would maybe fix it?
The deathmatch mode glitches in cRPG, it's the cause of all those crashes.
Beauchamp, CTF should do the trick.
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What was up with the game crashing when you press L? Remove the siege ladders appearing when you do that, would maybe fix it?
we cant do that its the same with the cats..
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about NA clans
there is no way how to make an upright ladder for both NA and EU clans. there always will be ping issues for either EU or NA. solution to this would be same ammount of same tournaments for both NA and EU (but since clans differ in numbers and size, its almost impossible). also somebody would have to organize those tournaments just for NA clans - i don't think i'd like to do that (different times that don't suit me, brigade sometimes couldnt probably participate, i don't have NA server etc....)
better solution for me is to have a separate NA ladder. or maybe i might organize something for NA guys - we've got quite a few of them in the clan already. but as i'm from EU, doing "EU" events will always be my priority. still as i said, i'm not against if anybody will organize the tournament with similar 1 event system as i'm doing, tells me the results and i can update them into the ladder. and if there are going to be enough of both NA and EU tourneys I see no problem why not to make 2 ladders (and for example brigade could participate in both from time to time if NA clanteams won't be to big like 5+).
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I got a suggestion to change your formula:
LP = (number of clans in the tournament X number of clans in the tournament - final place + 1 X size of clanteams) / X tournaments played
That way clans who played 10 tournament and win any of those would still be higher in the ladder than a clan who played 20 always becoming second.
Because i would still refer to the first clan as being better than the second one.
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I got a suggestion to change your formula:
LP = (number of clans in the tournament X number of clans in the tournament - final place + 1 X size of clanteams) / X tournaments played
That way clans who played 10 tournament and win any of those would still be higher in the ladder than a clan who played 20 always becoming second.
Because i would still refer to the first clan as being better than the second one.
i will think about it, the ladder should (as its described) reflect also activity of the clan so pure dividing by (number of tournaments attended) or by dividing by (A x number of tournaments attended (which is the same in the end)) won't do the job (i hope i understood correctly what you were thinking about). this way a clan wining 1 huge tournament could simply abstain from all other events being nr.1 forever.
what i say is:
ladder should reflect both activity and performance during the tournaments. if you have a better formula for that than i have, feel free to post it, however it will really need a few more tournaments until we can say what the ladder needs or not (or maybe there will be ladder system implemented by chadz and this all will become just useless, its also a possibility). i also think that the top clans will be also top active in the events - i don't think brigade, hre, shogunate, mercs etc... would avoid some tournaments. ill at least always try to find a good solution so most of the clans can participate in the events. still this all is evolving so many changes will occur, i'm sure about that. one of them should be erasing of old results so some new but quickly growing clans won't be punished for not existing when this all started...
btw the next tournament will be quite big for 7 clanteamsize because i still want to test something (new ctf gamemode without crashes, another server) and i don't want really many clans to be in to make it easier to organize. but the next one i'm quite sure will be almost for everybody for good points (like 3 clanteamsize or so...).
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Separate ladder would be good if there was someone who was able to host it (preferably a central/mountain timezone for best over ping for everyone). Fallen could still be high on that ladder as well.
btw, I think I'll have the new map area done on Friday, so we can test it out over the weekend, make any needed changes.
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should place topic about tournaments into announcements so people don' have to go through the forum to find it.
Makes it also stand on top of the topics.
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Well, heres a sticky for you.
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I would suggest you to change that points forumula a bit. It would be better if it is based on points you got at the tournament.
It is more accurate because it shows more your teams overall performance. It is a difference when you lose 0/5 or 4/5 and it is more fair
when it is shown at the ladder. Of course i would give some point bonus for first three winning teams or for every position.
For example we had 8 points at last tournament and ninjas had 9 in our group. We ended up as last and they are 5th. They got 4 times more points than us.
My point is to make some system which can show your performance on the tournament and not just the place you ended at.
Everyone must admit that it is a great difference when you end last with 8 points or 0 points.
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make room for more clans
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I would suggest you to change that points forumula a bit. It would be better if it is based on points you got at the tournament.
It is more accurate because it shows more your teams overall performance. It is a difference when you lose 0/5 or 4/5 and it is more fair
when it is shown at the ladder. Of course i would give some point bonus for first three winning teams or for every position.
For example we had 8 points at last tournament and ninjas had 9 in our group. We ended up as last and they are 5th. They got 4 times more points than us.
My point is to make some system which can show your performance on the tournament and not just the place you ended at.
Everyone must admit that it is a great difference when you end last with 8 points or 0 points.
Overall performance (difference in kills/deaths lets say) will not be reflected into LPs. Its like you'd want to reflect driving style in Formula 1 into how many points the drivers get in the end. You had really great driving style, but in the end you always lost closely all the matches - thats the reason why you finished the last one.
The problem was that the system of tournament just benefited wining to much over loosing closely. Its not right or wrong, it was just how the system was set up. But dw, after the previous tournament I already decided that winning will not be benefited so much for the next tourney. So most likely your "driving style" will give you higher position in the end of the upcoming tournament.
The idea of LPs being affected by K:D is not bad for the first glance, but I really don't want this to matter for LPs. I want people to fight to win - thats what the fighting is for. And not speculate how to loose closely or not get killed to get higher in the ladder.
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make room for more clans
i don't understand, everybody can participate...
and thx for the sticky ptx! :wink:
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updated ladder after the finished 2nd tournament, still going with LPS not considering the ammount of tournaments attended. when there are like 3 or more finished i will consider adjusting the LPs formula
CURRENT LADDER
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Could you please add a LPTS/TA column, so you can differ easier between the good and the active as soon as the TA numbers get higher?
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Could you please add a LPTS/TA column, so you can differ easier between the good and the active as soon as the TA numbers get higher?
there will be some adjustments for sure. maybe this column would solve the job completely... or maybe there could be 2 ladders also - activity one and some weighted one. or adjusted LPs count - but i start to dislike this option thinking of recounting 5 tournaments for 12 clans later on always once new tourney ends. will have to think about it.
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Errr... update? :D
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Errr... update? :D
After finals. :)
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Oh, right, forgot. :oops:
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updated 1st post with results from 3rd tourney
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Beauchamp, during the war, you pissed me off like hell (I called you a simpleton and you called me an idiot :rolleyes:), but now I can say it is forgotten, beacuse I really appreciate your hard work. I've heard that you're tired of all this, but there are guys willing to help. If you need help, be sure to let us know, and we will certainly not refuse it. Thanks for the tournament and look forward to the next!
By the way, this second ladder (what clans fight well) is damn cool :)
PS. My hand trembled, but I gave you the point in awesomebar :lol:
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Beauchamp, during the war, you pissed me off like hell (I called you a simpleton and you called me an idiot :rolleyes:), but now I can say it is forgotten, beacuse I really appreciate your hard work. I've heard that you're tired of all this, but there are guys willing to help. If you need help, be sure to let us know, and we will certainly not refuse it. Thanks for the tournament and look forward to the next!
By the way, this second ladder (what clans fight well) is damn cool :)
PS. My hand trembled, but I gave you the point in awesomebar :lol:
Yeah, too bad we fucked up hard in the first tournament with ping. :lol:
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Beauchamp, during the war, you pissed me off like hell (I called you a simpleton and you called me an idiot :rolleyes:), but now I can say it is forgotten, beacuse I really appreciate your hard work. I've heard that you're tired of all this, but there are guys willing to help. If you need help, be sure to let us know, and we will certainly not refuse it. Thanks for the tournament and look forward to the next!
By the way, this second ladder (what clans fight well) is damn cool :)
PS. My hand trembled, but I gave you the point in awesomebar :lol:
aye u called me a simpleton, i called you an idiot. it was a fair deal.
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LOL
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UPDATED LADDER WITH 4TH TOURNEY RESULTS
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Lovely beau, lovely!
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Will this page be getting updated?
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Will this page be getting updated?
It will be updated later today or tomorrow, Beauchamp manages the Ladderpoint System.
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Will this page be getting updated?
it has been updated until now continually...
edit: updated the last (5th) tourney
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it has been updated until now continually...
edit: updated the last (5th) tourney
I didnt say it hadnt i was simply asking if it will be.
Keep your knickers on.
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if i ever stop updating this (if i get some successor like i got for fallen tourneys), than i will announce it beforehand, dw :)
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fcking uneditable polls!!!
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I am always there if you need anything... (damn, i'm gonna regret this :/)
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I am always there if you need anything... (damn, i'm gonna regret this :/)
thx but it makes no sense to adjust this individually, otherwise you will do it for the whole server... better push sbdy who is responsibel for the forum to adjust it :)
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:P In every ranking we (SoA) are always 1 above my old friend
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Clan war do it
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:P In every ranking we (SoA) are always 1 above my old friend
:shock: :? :mrgreen:
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Hello lads,
10th Caravan Guards 1314 5
11th Turks 1408 3
Shouldn't Turks be 10th cuz they have 94 more LP ?
CURRENT MAIN LADDER
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Hello lads,
10th Caravan Guards 1314 5
11th Turks 1408 3
Shouldn't Turks be 10th cuz they have 94 more LP ?
will check that, mistakes can happen!!! shouldnt happen in ammount of points but in sorting of clans they could as this is done manually by nobody more than a human :o)
edit: its wrong of course, will fix that...
added a poll
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Hello lads,
10th Caravan Guards 1314 5
11th Turks 1408 3
Shouldn't Turks be 10th cuz they have 94 more LP ?
shhhhh.....
i was hoping nobody saw this :P
but yeah, beau should have put us in the 8th or something 8-)
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will check that, mistakes can happen!!! shouldnt happen in ammount of points but in sorting of clans they could as this is done manually by nobody more than a human :o)
edit: its wrong of course, will fix that...
added a poll
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lets have some hate, new poll
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Actually what I think is that we got in the first 2 tournaments a LOT less 'points' than the tournaments nowadays, looking at SoA for example.
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updated
removed activity ladder, was telling nothing. for activity ammount of tournaments attended is enough imo
replaced weighted ladder with performance graph (i'm thinking if not to remove LPTS from performance graph and replace it solely with standings in the tournaments - might say more about the actual skills - as smaller earlier tournies were giving less points). i will see later about that....
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btw if you as a clan don't want to participate in the ladder, pls PM me or announce it here in this thread, ty. still of course you can come to the tourneys for fun only...
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Mercs
24 (33.8%)
haters gonna hate
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Mercs
24 (33.8%)
haters gonna hate
Not 100% sure but i think you got my vote on that one. :twisted:
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Voted for Mercs. Can't stand that clan. :(
ps: nice statistic diagramma! :)
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Voted for Mercs. Can't stand that clan. :(
ps: nice statistic diagramma! :)
Also voted for mercs cause that storm guy is well overderpish ;)
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Mercs
24 (33.8%)
haters gonna hate
if even your own members vote for you... :o)
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you... : o)
Lol beau, i think when you made this poll you should have replaced "mercs" with olwen after that little bit you added there.
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lately i'm without any inspiration, i can't find what new poll i could add...
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lately i'm without any inspiration, i can't find what new poll i could add...
What clan do you think has had the biggest improvement or shocked ( wildcard doing well ) the most?
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What clan do you think has had the biggest improvement or shocked ( wildcard doing well ) the most?
good one! will update that :o)
new poll
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I think SoA have by far been the biggest upset doing well against some of the top teams. Really good effort to them.
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I would have to say my old friends, not because i'm a my old friend myself but because i really think they shown skill and are improving thru each tournament.
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I'd say my old friends aswell because they managed to kill most of us. :wink:
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I'd say my old friends aswell because they managed to kill most of us. :wink:
:mrgreen: +1
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my old friends use a good bunch of mauls... but its allowed and works. And i will probably set them, as one of the big surprises too.
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Only Gnjus uses the maul :wink:
Edit: Ah thats right i remembered i used it for one round in the tournament before this one, but still that 1/8 ocasionaly 2/8
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Only Gnjus uses the maul :wink:
Edit: Ah thats right i remembered i used it for one round in the tournament before this one, but still that 1/8 ocasionaly 2/8
I think he meant our other "mauls & mallets". Next time we should watch our asses vs the Risen even more carefully. :wink:
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i think after the next tournament i will recount the LPTs according to different formula. winner will always get 1000pts no matter what and the remaining clans will get points below 1000 depending on how many clans participate in the tourney.
if there are 10 participants, than for each rank down the clan will get 1000/10 LPTs less. this should smooth out the results in the first tourneys a little bit that compared to today's big tourneys were giving to few points. if there would be 15 participants than it would be 1000/15 LPTs less etc.
this will apply to all the tournaments including those that already happened
feel free to comment
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Checking this thread everyday since last touney. DRZ is still 19th. :(
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updated the ladder
all tournaments results recounted according to the new (and hopefully final) LPTs formula gain.
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btw new formula is fair in the terms that old tournaments with less participants give now about average the same LPTs as the new ones. this smoothed out some stupid results that winning in an old tournament was worse than being 6th in one of the new ones LPTs wise. LPTs now are also very easy to count.
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I can see at the graph that at the end, the middle has the largest free space between them. You can clearly see the better and worse clans packed up together, and then the middle just roaming there a little.