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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: BADPLAYERold on November 14, 2011, 02:45:48 am
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The Parties participating in the Curaw Conference on Calradia,
With a view to ending the war and restoring peace in Calradia on the basis of respect for the FCC people's fundamental national rights and the American people's right to self- determination, and to contributing to the consolidation of peace in Calradia and the world,
Have agreed on the following provisions and undertake to respect and to implement them:
'''Chapter I'''
===THE FCC PEOPLE'S FUNDAMENTAL NATIONAL RIGHTS===
====Article 1====
The United States and all other countries respect the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of FCC as recognized by the 1354 Shariz Agreements on Calradia land claims.
'''Chapter II'''
===CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES - WITHDRAWAL OF TROOPS,===
====Article 2====
A cease-fire shall be observed throughout FCC lands as of 2400 hours G.M.T. [Greenwich Mean Time], on November 14, 1354.
At the same hour, the United States will stop all its military activities against the territory of the Free Companies of Calradia by ground, air and naval forces, wherever they may be based, and end the mining of the territorial waters, ports, harbors, and waterways of the Free Companies of Calradia. The United States will remove, permanently deactivate or destroy all the mines in the territorial waters, ports, harbors, and waterways of FCC territory as soon as this Agreement goes into effect.
The complete cessation of hostilities mentioned in this Article shall be durable and without limit of time.
====Article 3====
The United States will not continue its military involvement or intervene in the internal affairs of Calradia.
====Article 4====
Within sixty days of the signing of this Agreement, there will be a total withdrawal from Calradia of troops, military advisers, and military personnel, including technical military personnel and military personnel associated with the pacification program, armaments, munitions, and war material of the United States and those of the other foreign countries. Advisers from the above-mentioned countries to all paramilitary organizations and the police force will also be withdrawn within the same period of time.
====Article 5====
The dismantlement of all military bases in Calradia of the United States and of the other foreign countries shall be completed within sixty days of the signing of this agreement.
====Article 6====
From the enforcement of the cease-fire to the formation of the government provided for in Article 9 (b) and 14 of this Agreement, the two American parties shall not accept the introduction of troops, military advisers, and military personnel including technical military personnel, armaments, munitions, and war material into Calradia.
The two American parties shall be permitted to make periodic replacement of armaments, munitions and war material which have been destroyed, damaged, worn out or used up after the cease-fire, on the basis of piece-for-piece, of the same characteristics and properties, under the supervision of the Joint Military Commission of the two American parties and of the International Commission of Control and Supervision.
'''Chapter III'''
===THE RETURN OF CAPTURED MILITARY PERSONNEL AND FOREIGN CIVILIANS AND CAPTURED AND DETAINED FCC CIVILIAN PERSONNEL===
====Article 7====
(a) The return of captured military personnel and foreign civilians of the parties shall be carried out simultaneously with and completed not later than the same day as the troop withdrawal mentioned in Article 5. The parties shall exchange complete lists of the above-mentioned captured military personnel and foreign civilians on the day of the signing of this Agreement.
(b) The parties shall help each other to get information about those military personnel and foreign civilians of the parties missing in action, to determine the location and take care of the graves of the dead so as to facilitate the exhumation and repatriation of the remains, and to take any such other measures as may be required to get information about those still considered missing in action.
(c) The question of the return of FCC civilian personnel captured and detained in Calradia will be resolved by the two American parties on the basis of the principles of Article 21 (b) of the Agreement on the Cessation of Hostilities in Calradia of November 10, 1354. The two American parties will do so in a spirit of national reconciliation and concord, with a view to ending hatred and enmity, in order to ease suffering and to reunite families. The two American parties will do their utmost to resolve this question within ninety days after the cease-fire comes into effect.
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It has been said that the United States was deceived into entering and expanding the FCC war by its own overoptimistic propaganda. The record suggests, however, that the policy-makers stayed in Calradia not so much because of overly optimistic hopes of winning ... as because of overly pessimistic assessments of the consequences of losing.
The Great FCC War presumably taught us that the United States could not serve as the world's policeman; it should also have taught us the dangers of trying to be the world's midwife to democracy when the birth is scheduled to take place under conditions of peasant war.
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God bless the USA. I am pleased to hear the absolute resolution of the hostilities between the FCC and The USA.
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Hear, hear! Wise words spoken from the leaders of this great nation.
If these, or similar terms and realizations, could be applied to all conflicts areas besides Calradia as well, the whole (as of yet presumably not fully discovered) world would be one step closer to completeness.
Long live true freedom, the freedom of self-sovereignty!
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FCC must have gotten rid of the misbegotten Kalam, the oppressor of true freedom and liberty.
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USA style
At First: We will fight for the democracy! And we wont stop till those bastards are not destroyed completely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When they lose war(it happens in 90% of wars started by US): Enough of blood spilling! We want peace! We always wanted peace! Peace to everyone!!!!!
Scumbag america
Like every faction in strategies has already a causes belli to declare u a war. ffs ffs
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you guys need to try harder
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So how is the brain washing going in the states then?
On track?
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Kumbaya Diplomacy? (http://www.hodain.net/amuse/diplomacyfull.html)
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USA style
At First: We will fight for the democracy! And we wont stop till those bastards are not destroyed completely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When they lose war(it happens in 90% of wars started by US): Enough of blood spilling! We want peace! We always wanted peace! Peace to everyone!!!!!
Scumbag america
Le sigh
Wars started by the US (or which they were a major catalyst)
American Revolutionary War - US Victory
Tripolitan War - US Victory
Tecumseh's War - US Victory
Algerian War - US Victory
First Seminole War - US Victory
Le Fèvre Indian War - US Victory
Black Hawk War - US Victory
Second Seminole War - US Victory
MexicanAmerican War - US Victory
Navajo Wars - US Victory
Cayuse War - US Victory
Apache Wars - US Victory
Reform War - US Victory
Paraguay Expedition - US Victory
Pyramid Lake War - US Victory
American Civil War - US Defeat and US Victory
Cochinchina Campaign - US Victory
Colorado War - US Victory
Battles for Shimonoseki - US Victory
Snake War - US Victory
Modoc Campaign - US Victory
Red River War - US Victory
Spanish-American War - US Victory
World War I - US Victory
World War II - US Victory
Cold War - US Victory
First Indochina War - US Defeat
Korean War - US Defeat
Second Indochina War - US Defeat
Gulf War - US Victory
War on Terror - Conflict Ongoing
26-2-3 out of 31 listed conflicts (leaving out about a dozen native American wars)
That's a 9% loss rate.
TL;DR: U S A U S A U S A
Keep on being awesome Clan USA!
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Le sigh
Wars started by the US (or which they were a major catalyst)
American Revolutionary War - US Victory
Tripolitan War - US Victory
Tecumseh's War - US Victory
Algerian War - US Victory
First Seminole War - US Victory
Le Fèvre Indian War - US Victory
Black Hawk War - US Victory
Second Seminole War - US Victory
MexicanAmerican War - US Victory
Navajo Wars - US Victory
Cayuse War - US Victory
Apache Wars - US Victory
Reform War - US Victory
Paraguay Expedition - US Victory
Pyramid Lake War - US Victory
American Civil War - US Defeat and US Victory
Cochinchina Campaign - US Victory
Colorado War - US Victory
Battles for Shimonoseki - US Victory
Snake War - US Victory
Modoc Campaign - US Victory
Red River War - US Victory
Spanish-American War - US Victory
World War I - US Victory
World War II - US Victory
Cold War - US Victory
First Indochina War - US Defeat
Korean War - US Defeat
Second Indochina War - US Defeat
Gulf War - US Victory
War on Terror - Conflict Ongoing
26-2-3 out of 31 listed conflicts (leaving out about a dozen native American wars)
That's a 9% loss rate.
TL;DR: U S A U S A U S A
Keep on being awesome Clan USA!
Warmongers. GO ATTACK SOME OTHER COUNTRY FOR OIL.
In other news, us Canadians are supply'in you all uranium for your nukes. Don't piss us off...or no nukes for you.
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Le sigh
Wars started by the US (or which they were a major catalyst)
American Revolutionary War - US Victory
Tripolitan War - US Victory
Tecumseh's War - US Victory
Algerian War - US Victory
First Seminole War - US Victory
Le Fèvre Indian War - US Victory
Black Hawk War - US Victory
Second Seminole War - US Victory
MexicanAmerican War - US Victory
Navajo Wars - US Victory
Cayuse War - US Victory
Apache Wars - US Victory
Reform War - US Victory
Paraguay Expedition - US Victory
Pyramid Lake War - US Victory
American Civil War - US Defeat and US Victory
Cochinchina Campaign - US Victory
Colorado War - US Victory
Battles for Shimonoseki - US Victory
Snake War - US Victory
Modoc Campaign - US Victory
Red River War - US Victory
Spanish-American War - US Victory
World War I - US Victory
World War II - US Victory
Cold War - US Victory
First Indochina War - US Defeat
Korean War - US Defeat
Second Indochina War - US Defeat
Gulf War - US Victory
War on Terror - Conflict Ongoing
26-2-3 out of 31 listed conflicts (leaving out about a dozen native American wars)
That's a 9% loss rate.
TL;DR: U S A U S A U S A
Keep on being awesome Clan USA!
how can you list all those minor conflicts and miss the war of 1812?
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did you realise that only NA people reply here and laugh but a normal EU player just leave you even not pity.Miserable people , bad jokes , not even make you smile.You guys dont even deserve a fucking village
Yea usa AHAHAHAH really funny OHHH USA EHEHAEHEAHEAUAEHEAHEAHEA omfg im gonna explode so funny USA AHEHEAHEAHAE BIRD CLAN EAHHAEHEAHAEH so fucking funny i cant stop laughing
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how can you list all those minor conflicts and miss the war of 1812?
Because it doesn't fit into his view of the world. USA is awesome and kewl, remember?
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Because it doesn't fit into his view of the world. USA is awesome and kewl, remember?
Because the statement was:
When they lose a war: it happens in 90% of wars started by US
The war of 1812 was not STARTED by the US, it was a response to unlimited British naval attacks and the impressing of American sailors.
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Because the statement was:
The war of 1812 was not STARTED by the US, it was a response to unlimited British naval attacks and the impressing of American sailors.
AHAHAH Silly americans think that they helped British, Russians, Austrians and Prussian to win this war ahahahahahhahaha.
Nao I can say it out loud: Most of the Americans are dumb as hell. And this is fact that doesn't need any aprovment.
Oh Wait.
I'm sorry cause 1812 is a memorable date for Russia as a great war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia)
What about ur conflit(!). Ffs thats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812) not war at all. And u had advantage against brits.
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AHAHAH Silly americans think that they helped British, Russians, Austrians and Prussian to win this war ahahahahahhahaha.
Nao I can say it out loud: Most of the Americans are dumb as hell. And this is fact that doesn't need any aprovment.
Yes, those silly Americans, how dare they.
Good thing I'm not one of them.
Learn to laugh baddie.
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edited. sry i forgot about ur conflict between u and ur Fathers
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edited. sry i forgot about ur conflict between u and ur Fathers
AFAIK that is the "French invasion of Russia of 1812" or "The Patriotic War of 1812" at least here that is what it's known as.
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Because the statement was:
The war of 1812 was not STARTED by the US, it was a response to unlimited British naval attacks and the impressing of American sailors.
rofl you were violating the embargo of napoleonic france, did you expect to supply an enemy nation of GB and get away with it? Thats pretty much an act of war. Anyways, GB did not declare war, you did.
"On June 1, 1812, President James Madison sent a message to the Congress, recounting American grievances against Great Britain, though not specifically calling for a declaration of war. After Madison's message, the House of Representatives quickly voted (79 to 49) a declaration of war, and the Senate agreed by 19 to 13. The conflict began formally on June 18, 1812 when Madison signed the measure into law. This was the first time that the United States had declared war on another nation, and the Congressional vote would prove to be the closest vote to declare war in American history. None of the 39 Federalists in Congress voted in favor of the war; critics of war subsequently referred to it as "Mr. Madison's War." [32]"
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did you realise that only NA people reply here and laugh but a normal EU player just leave you even not pity.Miserable people , bad jokes , not even make you smile.You guys dont even deserve a fucking village
Did you realize that NA players don't give a shit about the EU community? From our end of the pipe, 90% of EU discourse is just nationalist ranting and whining about how all NA players haven't been banned yet.
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Did you realize that NA players don't give a shit about the EU community? From our end of the pipe, 90% of EU discourse is just nationalist ranting and whining about how all NA players haven't been banned yet.
You are right. Only one way to fix that. Blanket ban NA!
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Did you realize that NA players don't give a shit about the EU community? From our end of the pipe, 90% of EU discourse is just nationalist ranting and whining about how all NA players haven't been banned yet.
Ignore Cicero, hes in a dead-end country with a shit economy and jealous of our Democracy where we dont need to give blatant bribes to every government worker because his government is so corrupt. He rants and raves because hes desperately trying to ignore the utter travesty of his own origins by criticizing everyone else's home country. He has no jokes, just is critical of our inside jokes, as he lives in a humorless, poverty-ridden part of the world. if you ask VERY NICELY Cicero, we will bring Democracy and freedom fries to your country as well.
And for the rest of you who don't get American humor, this is what is called wry humor (actually has strong origins in British humor, the idea of the flat statement that is funny because it become ridiculous being taken at face value).
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THIS SHIT AIN'T FUNNY YO
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THIS SHIT AIN'T FUNNY YO
Reminds me of the movie "Idiocracy."
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Ignore Cicero, hes in a dead-end country with a shit economy and jealous of our Democracy where we dont need to give blatant bribes to every government worker because his government is so corrupt. He rants and raves because hes desperately trying to ignore the utter travesty of his own origins by criticizing everyone else's home country. He has no jokes, just is critical of our inside jokes, as he lives in a humorless, poverty-ridden part of the world. if you ask VERY NICELY Cicero, we will bring Democracy and freedom fries to your country as well.
And for the rest of you who don't get American humor, this is what is called wry humor (actually has strong origins in British humor, the idea of the flat statement that is funny because it become ridiculous being taken at face value).
The thing is we are playing strategus cos we know how to play and we got culture about it.Those EU national factions =) U dont even know what the fuck u are using on this game =) Do you have anything related with kingdom ? warband ? what nation are u ? American ?
"A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, and/or history"
culture ? history ?
NA got some good guys as well this is not a racist thing like your words and tbh i like living in turkey.Do you know that turkey get bigger %42,7 during global cris which cumbled USA and you guys lost your jobs =).
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NA got some good guys as well this is not a racist thing like your words and tbh i like living in turkey. Do you know that turkey get bigger %42,7 during global cris which cumbled USA and you guys lost your jobs =).
Do you know that Turkey oversaw the killing of over 1 million Armenians between 1915 and 1923?
At least I can say that the USA government has never, in recent history, attempted to murder and entire ethnic group. Just saying.
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this thread is dead. some one close it
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Do you know that Turkey oversaw the killing of over 1 million Armenians between 1915 and 1923?
At least I can say that the USA government has never, in recent history, attempted to murder and entire ethnic group. Just saying.
Actually we didnt do something like that which u dont even know what u are talking.Armenians backstabbed Ottoman empire during World War I so they defended themself against armenians.
ottoman empires not equal to turkish republic
Last post here i m not gonna shit talk like safavid the point u need to stick with rules and i demand to lock or mute these people that making 50 iq jokes or below.
read http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,20050.0.html first then gtfo
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whew this thread got out of hand lol.
lotsa things i could say about some of the things a few different people have said... but flawless has the right idea... lets just let this thread die.
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Le sigh
Wars started by the US (or which they were a major catalyst)
American Revolutionary War - US Victory
Tripolitan War - US Victory
Tecumseh's War - US Victory
Algerian War - US Victory
First Seminole War - US Victory
Le Fèvre Indian War - US Victory
Black Hawk War - US Victory
Second Seminole War - US Victory
MexicanAmerican War - US Victory
Navajo Wars - US Victory
Cayuse War - US Victory
Apache Wars - US Victory
Reform War - US Victory
Paraguay Expedition - US Victory
Pyramid Lake War - US Victory
American Civil War - US Defeat and US Victory
Cochinchina Campaign - US Victory
Colorado War - US Victory
Battles for Shimonoseki - US Victory
Snake War - US Victory
Modoc Campaign - US Victory
Red River War - US Victory
Spanish-American War - US Victory
World War I - US Victory
World War II - US Victory
Cold War - US Victory
First Indochina War - US Defeat
Korean War - US Defeat
Second Indochina War - US Defeat
Gulf War - US Victory
War on Terror - Conflict Ongoing
26-2-3 out of 31 listed conflicts (leaving out about a dozen native American wars)
That's a 9% loss rate.
TL;DR: U S A U S A U S A
Keep on being awesome Clan USA!
Must be great to be a patriot to such a bloody thirsty and greedy elite. ILUV USA! YEA!
War on Terror - Unwinnable - as realistic as getting rid of poverty in all of the world
There was one stage where I thought at least Anwyl was worthy of respect, but not it seems shes just like the rest of those folk spouting Patriotic nonsense. Go die for oil sucker.
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Stating facts and doing a simple statistic equation is blind patriotism?
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He's right. The war against terror has to be the most stupid and unrealistic thing I've ever seen. You cannot beat terrorism.. it's unwinnable, as he said.
I had respect for what he had to say until I seen the picture of the flag of the USA burning. That just shows no class buddy.
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Lots of blindly stupid people in here who are entirely unable to see through the foggy lens of nationalism.
And, following the logic of OP, we really must nerf cav.
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ALL HATE ARRRRRRRRUGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!
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did you realise that only NA people reply here and laugh but a normal EU player just leave you even not pity.Miserable people , bad jokes , not even make you smile.You guys dont even deserve a fucking village
Yea usa AHAHAHAH really funny OHHH USA EHEHAEHEAHEAUAEHEAHEAHEA omfg im gonna explode so funny USA AHEHEAHEAHAE BIRD CLAN EAHHAEHEAHAEH so fucking funny i cant stop laughing
What is this? I'm 12.
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He's right. The war against terror has to be the most stupid and unrealistic thing I've ever seen. You cannot beat terrorism.. it's unwinnable, as he said.
I had respect for what he had to say until I seen the picture of the flag of the USA burning. That just shows no class buddy.
No class? I'm not quite sure what you're on about. Nothing wrong with burning flags, fuck throw all of the worlds flags in a pile and burn them, wouldn't do me any harm. Now burning a human - I would have a problem with that.
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I see a problem with it, not exactly okay with someone burning the flag of my country, or any country for that matter.
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Why does it bother you sir?
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Why does it bother you sir?
Flags are a symbol of the beliefs of a nation. Burning a flag is saying that the beliefs of said nation are of no consequence.
Edit for clarification:
This may not be true of every country in the world. However, when I see an American flag, I think of the virtues of said country and those that died to see it's independence. Furthermore, when I see the Irish tricolour, I think of those that died to secure independence, and the idea behind the countries ideas of a united Irish nation. Therefore the burning of either of those flags I would see as a travesty to those who fought and died, and those that currently inhabit the country represented by the flag.
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No, I'm pretty sure it's just a flag that's being burned. Although if I listen real closely I can almost hear the dying whispers of all the beliefs being burned alive.
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I come from a military family.
Burning the flag that they fought for isn't exactly something I'm fond of.
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As another example Regimental standards are venerated by nearly all national militaries.
The standard represents the past of the regiment, those that died under its banner and the accomplishments of those that came before. Even when they are too old to be used they are not destroyed, by often kept safe in museums or even buried. They are treated with the same respect as that due to the soldiers that fight under them. The loss of a standard in battle was seen as a dreadful loss, even more so than that of human loss.
For some slight reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colours,_standards_and_guidons#United_States_Army
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Flags are a symbol of the beliefs of a nation. Burning a flag is saying that the beliefs of said nation are of no consequence.
Edit for clarification:
This may not be true of every country in the world. However, when I see an American flag, I think of the virtues of said country and those that died to see it's independence. Furthermore, when I see the Irish tricolour, I think of those that died to secure independence, and the idea behind the countries ideas of a united Irish nation. Therefore the burning of either of those flags I would see as a travesty to those who fought and died, and those that currently inhabit the country represented by the flag.
Bullshit.
@Mechanix
I come from a military family myself actually.
I'm not offended when people burn my countries flag.
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I come from a military family.
Burning the flag that they fought for isn't exactly something I'm fond of.
Your family has been fighting for a flag? Damn, dude. Is it kinda like when the bush spoke to Moses? Has the flag been giving orders? Does it speak or write them down?
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Bullshit.
An articulate and well though out response.
Just what I expected from EU.
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Don't cry.
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An articulate and well though out response.
Just what I expected from EU.
When you say "articulate" I think of those that died to secure independence, and the idea behind the countries ideas of a united Irish nation. Therefore saying "and" after "articulate" I would see as a travesty to those who fought and died, and those that currently inhabit the country represented.
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Bullshit.
@Mechanix
I come from a military family myself actually.
I'm not offended when people burn my countries flag.
I'd have to agree, I enjoy my freedoms and want to have less laws governing me and everyone around me besides the essentials to keep people from raping, robbing, killing or raping. Burning a flag doesn't infringe on any of my rights or really have any effect on me unless I choose to let it affect me mentally... Big deal, I'm an adult, I can suck it up and get over it, people shouldnt be arrested for dissent if they aren't hurting anybody else, those are the freedoms that our men and women sacrifice/d themselves for. Not sure if my usage's of effect/affect are correct, someone care to spell check?
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I'd have to agree, I enjoy my freedoms and want to have less laws governing me and everyone around me besides the essentials to keep people from raping, robbing, killing or raping. Burning a flag doesn't infringe on any of my rights or really have any effect on me unless I choose to let it affect me mentally... Big deal, I'm an adult, I can suck it up and get over it, people shouldnt be arrested for dissent if they aren't hurting anybody else, those are the freedoms that our men and women sacrifice/d themselves for. Not sure if my usage's of effect/affect are correct, someone care to spell check?
It was more of a response to:
Why does it bother you sir?
Than saying it should be against the law. It was an explanation of why someone might be bothered by it. The burning of the flag is acceptable in many places, but not everyone has to agree on its significance.
P.S. Your usage of "effect" was correct :wink:
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If you're offended by a burning piece of cloth - you need to set your priorities straight.
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This thread is off topic , unrelated to strat, and has some offensive content. Can forum moderators please close it.
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If it the picture wasn't meant to offend or degrade in the first place, why was it posted?
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It offended the target audience. As planned.
Cry to the Admins if you want.
/Left the room.
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This thread is off topic , unrelated to strat, and has some offensive content. Can forum moderators please close it.
all moderators are playing skyrim
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It is not the act of burning a flag that offends some people, it is the intentions of the people who are burning it and what they are trying to symbolize. Nobody burns a flag just to burn some cloth, they burn it to make a point that chances are others will disagree with.
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Flag burning is protected by the first amendment so its basically unamerican to not burn flags.
One time I took a bunch of drunks at a big street party Portuguese Festival after buying some Israeli flags from a dollar vendor and very quickly got a flag burning party and DEATH TO ISRAEL chants going. My friend showed some random girl a torched israeli flag filled with cigarette burns and said "how awful do you think this country is? and her reply was "I'm jewish." Made me laugh. And those israeli flags got to be great tourniquets later on for some unrelated terrible injuries someone sustained.
Also, do not close this thread or delete any posts, all USA threads should be considered "free-speech zones" and not under the jurisprudence of the totalitarianist cRPG admin regime.
It is only fair that this thread becomes a celebration of all the military and diplomatic accomplishments of our great nation, as this peace brokerage with the FCC is merely one in an illustrious history of triumph and success, as USA continues to serve as the model for all nations on Earth and Calradia to follow.
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It is not the act of burning a flag that offends some people, it is the intentions of the people who are burning it and what they are trying to symbolize. Nobody burns a flag just to burn some cloth, they burn it to make a point that chances are others will disagree with.
+1 for someone who has the slightest glimpse of intelligence.
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Avast ye scallywankers ye all be awful at adhering to the code of conduct of these here public conversation houses. I ought to have ye all walkin the plank fer blabbin on about nonsense fictional lands when thar be matters in Calradia which be requiring yer attention. If any chadz ships catch ye blaggarts they will likely sink ye for yer heresy!